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    Changing from direct to indirect TPMS?

    Hello. I've got a VW Passat which have got TPMS with sensors in the wheels.
    Or at least did have sensors in the wheels.
    Neither my summer or winter tyres have sensors anymore, and have not had them since I bought the car.
    I'm about to buy new tires for both sets of wheels and my jaw dropped at the price of sensors.

    So - Can I code my car to use ABS-signals only for tyre monitoring?
    Attached the last scan I did. Ignore the avalanche of errors on there, I just neglected going down into the garage for doing a scan for this thread

    Code:
    Saturday,19,January,2019,13:48:36:12369
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20181017 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE057230   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 285420km-177351mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 3C-N/A (3C0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 2E 36 42 44 46 52 53
              55 56 62 65 72 76 77
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE057230   Mileage: 285420km-177351miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Not registered 0001
    14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Not registered 0001
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    77-Telephone -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
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    Address 01: Engine (AXZ)       Labels: 03H-906-032-BLV.clb
       Part No SW: 03H 906 032 HB    HW: 03H 906 032 AB
       Component: P3.2-FSI-EU4    G   4845  
       Revision: 5GH04---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 0000175
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 698CB511257AE75F295-803C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    000805 - Knock Sensor 1 (G61) 
                   P0325 - 008 - Malfunction - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 285235 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.06.02
                        Time: 19:57:25
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 2324 /min
                        Load: 7.1 %
                        Speed: 52.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 52.0C
                        Temperature: 3.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.716 V
    
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 043 T    HW: 02E 927 770 AM
       Component: TVS DSG ST3     531 2199  
       Revision:    53104    Serial number: 00001509260786
       Coding: 0000024
       Shop #: WSC 00020 000 90108
       VCID: 2514F92189E2033FCDD-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 AF    HW: 3C0 614 109 AF
       Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0015  
       Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000795617354
       Coding: 0000395
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 629EA23DD84CB407E8F-8036
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 EB    HW: 3C0 907 044 EB
       Component: ClimatronicPQ46 133 1010  
       Revision: 00133026    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 6594B921C962C33F0DD-8030
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01809 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Left (V158) 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 254
                        Reset counter: 47
                        Mileage: 283737 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.03.31
                        Time: 16:00:00
    
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00110100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Mileage: 0 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00110100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Mileage: 0 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003327726
       Coding: F78E890750463C001F00326432000000801B304164400100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00027 218 80666
       VCID: 3330177937366D8F539-8066
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 140709 006  0208  
       Coding: 00134942
       Shop #: WSC 00027  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AF  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RLS     160909 046  0204  
       Coding: 00134942
       Shop #: WSC 00027  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            OFF
                        Voltage: 12.00 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 3C8-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 919 475 A    HW: 3C8 919 475 
       Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0009  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 08720924603904
       Coding: 100102
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 323E127DC42C648758F-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels:. 3C0-907-376.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 907 376 A    HW: 3C0 907 376 
       Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H07 0070  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15090903270001
       Coding: 010180
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 2708F329FFEE112FFF1-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 H    HW: 5N0 959 655 H
       Component: J234__025 VW10 HI   1916  
       Revision: 20013000    Serial number: 003E1PKCQE3W  
       Coding: 0012853
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 42DE42BD788CD407C8F-8016
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS628722449 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS680052369 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6PM8N09KJ 
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS61P4119KJ 
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
       Component: J0527               0030  
       Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C9953507CN   
       Coding: 0001612
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 74B2D46572B82AB78A3-8020
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TK6   H07 0022  
       Coding: 00000227
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 3C8 920 880 F    HW: 3C8 920 880 F
       Component: KOMBI         H03 0132  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 161F00
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
       VCID: 2F381B09D79E496F371-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 L    HW: 3C0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H13 0152  
       Revision:   H13       Serial number: 3300P099290305
       Coding: FD8BFF0F000412002002
       Shop #: WSC 00027 218 81049
       VCID: 2A0E0A1DE0FC2C47E0F-807E
    
    4 Faults Found:
    01327 - Control Module for Parking Aid (J446) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 243
                        Mileage: 284131 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.05.06
                        Time: 20:58:17
    
    01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 243
                        Mileage: 284131 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.05.06
                        Time: 20:58:17
    
    03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 243
                        Mileage: 284131 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.05.06
                        Time: 20:58:17
    
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 243
                        Mileage: 284131 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.05.06
                        Time: 20:58:17
    
    
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    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 0BS 907 554 A    HW: 0BS 907 554 A
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      4013  
       Coding: 0000005
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 44D244A56298DA37FA3-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
       Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00040 218 58589
       VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
       Component:    ELV          027 0380
       3C0905861G     ELV          027 0380   
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2E: Media Player 3
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 E    HW: 3C0 959 760 E
       Component: Sitzverstellung     1101  
       Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2F381B09DB1E496F371-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AS    HW: 1K0 959 793 P
       Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1501  
       Revision: 71009005    Serial number: 00000876798916
       Coding: 0004599
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 7F580B494BFE79EFE71-802A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00131 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Driver Side 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 254
                        Reset counter: 7
                        Mileage: 277423 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2012.08.11
                        Time: 01:54:45
    
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 P    HW: 5N1 909 148 J
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.318 1202  
       Revision: 1BH04737    Serial number: 00131890007201
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 00610 218 138159
       VCID: 3FD84B490B7EB9EFA71-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
       Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 0091020051034E7630041F1F700ACFCE705801
       Shop #: WSC 00027 218 81049
       VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H09 9002
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
       Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
       Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611
    
    3 Faults Found:
    00323 - Vehicle Inclination Sensor (G384) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 15
                        Mileage: 283944 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.04.23
                        Time: 11:06:21
    
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 16
                        Reset counter: 47
                        Mileage: 284047 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.04.29
                        Time: 16:02:16
    
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AS    HW: 1K0 959 792 P
       Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1501  
       Revision: 71009005    Serial number: 00000759198910
       Coding: 0004598
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 005A88B5360006179EB-8054
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00132 - Outside Door Handle Illumination/mirror Light Passenger Side 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 53
                        Reset counter: 44
                        Mileage: 277423 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2012.08.11
                        Time: 01:54:45
    
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 28
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 E    HW: 3C8 907 801 E
       Component: J540 EPB3  VW-15417 0007  
       Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000034334
       Coding: 0000057
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 2C020C05EA083277123-8078
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02432 - Supply Voltage for Left Parking Brake Motor (V282) 
                007 - Short to Ground - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11110111
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 7
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 6.70 V
                        Count: 34
                             -
                        Hex Value: 0x0271
                        Hex Value: 0x0081
                        Hex Value: 0x1010
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
       Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
       Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0142  
       Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 2346177
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 3432146532386AB74A3-8060
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004  
       Coding: 00000035
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004  
       Coding: 00000035
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 
       VCID: 55F489E19C0253BF9DD-FFFE
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AB    HW: 1K0 959 795 L
       Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   0307  
       Revision: 41004101    Serial number: 00000001085550
       Coding: 0000208
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 70BAD87506A016976EB-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
       Component:    RDK              0453  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 0161211
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 75B4E96179C233BFBDD-8020
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01477 - System Switched Off 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01110000
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 277651 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2012.08.11
                        Time: 05:04:37
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AB    HW: 1K0 959 794 L
       Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   0307  
       Revision: 41004101    Serial number: 00000001083423
       Coding: 0000208
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 71BCDD710DAA1F9F615-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone
    Cannot be reached
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 02:58, VBatt start/end: 11.6V/11.5V. VIgn 11.6V)-----

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    Most people would go the other way! Indirect TPMS just uses the ABS speed sensors to establish if a tyre has low air. Yes it's doable as is anything on any car but it'll involve some wiring to stop the gateway throwing up faults.

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    I paid 60 EUR shipped for the four OEM sensors, brand new. is that really not affordable?

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    Haha, I'm not that cheap of a man. I was quoted a hell of a lot more than 60 - Did you buy online?
    Speaking of sensors, if I buy them after all, would I need to code them or will the car learn itself, doing magic?

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    on eBay, of course. tomorrow I will check what sensors you car needs and give you the part number, I am sure you can find a deal across europe.

    when I retrofitted direct TPMS, I also wondered how to match the sensors to the control module. well, the module learned the sensors by itself after driving for a short while.
    (although your car is not MQB so COULD be different...)

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    take a look at eBay item 253285570502. if you can confirm the part number, that's a bargain. I can't check before tomorrow.

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    that sensor I linked is for Passat from 2006 to 2011, not sure when your car was made.

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