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    Uwe - I'm with you 101%!!! I hope that your view about the robustness of the US economy is correct - but my hope is more about the impact of a US recession on the rest of the world rather than how it impacts the re-election ambition of Mr Trump (yes, unashamedly pure self interest)

    And I hope that Wednesday morning's yield dynamic where the U.S. 10-year Treasury bonds momentarily dipped below the yield on its 2-year counterpart was an aberration!!

    And I hope that your Mr Greenspan statement (as reported by Bloomberg) that "nothing is stopping the U.S. from getting sucked into the global trend of negative yielding debt" is indeed fake news.

    And I hope that the practice of global central banks in engaging in an unprecedented amount of monetary easing ($15 trillion of government bonds worldwide now trade at negative yields) is not a portent for the state of global economies

    But - what if I'm in denial (and I'm not referring to the river in Egypt) ?

    Don

    EDIT: Jack - perhaps it's time for us both to re-look @ cryptocurrencies as a safe-harbor (I'm not sure that more traditional edging instruments like Gold yields will work this time around) ?
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    EDIT: Jack - perhaps it's time for us both to re-look @ cryptocurrencies as a safe-harbor (I'm not sure that more traditional edging instruments like Gold yields will work this time around) ?
    Funny you should ask that Don't

    I was thinking of it for the last 5 years and pretty much been playing with scenarios in ultra short funds and trading the volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    Uwe - I'm with you 101%!!! I hope that your view about the robustness of the US economy is correct
    Oh, I'm not saying the US Economy is "robust" by traditional standards. There's way too much debt in the system (not just government debt) for it to be "healthy", and a recession is already several years overdue.

    I'm simply commenting on the fact that the media wants a recession, which is an unusual, or maybe even unique thing, and if they talk about it enough, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let's face it, markets the monetary system are heavily influenced by confidence, and if they can shake that, they might just get one sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Funny you should ask that Don

    I was thinking of it for the last 5 years and pretty much been playing with scenarios in ultra short funds and trading the volumes.
    I learned my lesson a decade ago about long or held positions.


    Never again!
    Liquid or nothing is my motto now.
    I like your motto - liquidity means that you nimble and can react quickly to changing market conditions (which is a good thing). Problem is though that it assumes that holding the funds isn't costing you. In the past, folks that were fortunate enough to be in your situation were concerned (in the main) about holding costs being an opportunity cost.

    However, "a decade ago" I very much doubt that as an American investor you needed to also worry about negative interests rates.

    "That will never happen in the USA" I hear you thinking - maybe you are correct but negative yield curves are utter madness!! Perhaps it isn't so important for commercial, or junk bonds, but Government bonds have minimal credit risk (there is almost zero risk of the bond issuer not paying the face value of the note). With other predictors appearing in neighboring financial markets (across "the pond") it's prudent for investors to listen when the Government bond market speaks and the day of reckoning must come - because the market demands it.

    Perhaps the answer is the precious metals market - it has a history of being a safe harbor. But the more that folk use this hedge, the more that instruments like Gold, platinum and silver will be out-of-step with general market risk. The interesting new comer is cryptocurrency -it's now semi-matured as a financial facility. I wonder what role (if any) it will play?

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    Well I don't believe in owning either but I would be open minded to trading the volatility when adequate numbers permit the flow, that and earnings.
    Maybe a straddle but less likely right now.
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    Last 5 years shorting the ultra TBT just look at that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    negative yield curves are utter madness!!
    Agreed. And negative interest rates even more so.

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    Perhaps the answer is the precious metals market - it has a history of being a safe harbor.
    PMs have been doing well lately. Gold is over $1500.

    "Gold is money, everything else is credit".

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    No Uwe, Money is money and gold is gold.

    I would rather trade gold financial instruments than hold the actual gold.

    When shit falls apart..........

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    ^^^^ No Jack, when the shit falls apart - the shit falls apart!

    Holding precious metals script certainly does have its advantages over the physical stuff. But the benefits of "virtual ownership" are limited to the quantum of the financial Armageddon that befalls the market.

    Plus there really ain't any substitution to opening up your own personal gold vault and seeing the distinctive glint of light that bounces off those yellow bars. I'm surmising of course in my case, but perhaps you have first hand experience of that lighting effect (only kidding)!!

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    Nope.... I'm just a dumb poor bastard from Chicken and Gravy Montgomery New York & has the rank of Majestic Asshole!

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