"Check Brake Pads" message on 2000 Passat B5 variant v6 auto trans

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I started getting this message and VCDS does not complete but seems to be stuck continuous loop. A circle symbol stays constant in the dash warning message block. The auto scan below seems lacking in component tests so im guessing its the ABS controller which i replaced once about 5 or more years ago. The brakes feel fine since i had them completely fixed less than 4000 miles ago in 2017. Yes I dont put a lot of miles on my car, but it has just turned 160K miles. If anyone can help I would sincerely appreciate it. Thank you.

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VCDS
Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: Release 18.9.1(x64) Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com
Dealer/Shop Name:
Workshop Code: 000 00000 000000
Self-Diagnosis Log
Tuesday,19,February,2019,16:17:25:03199
VIN: License Plate:
Mileage: 257880km-160239mi Repair Order:
Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
Mileage: 257880km-160239miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl
Part No: 3B0 907 551 AN
Component: 2.8L V6/5V G 0050
Coding: 07551
Shop #: WSC 08097
VCID: 6FE32DE12D91733234-513C
6 Faults Found:
16497 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42)
P0113 - 35-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
17831 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 1
P1423 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
17819 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 2
P1411 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat)
P1296 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
17521 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S1
P1113 - 35-10 - Internal Resistance too High - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
Part No: 8D0 927 156 AS
Component: AG5 01V 2.8l5V USA 3132
Coding: 00104
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 7EFD00A57AFB0ABAAF-513C
No fault code found.
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VCDS
Self-Diagnosis Log
Tuesday,19,February,2019,16:17:25:03199
Page 2
VIN: License Plate:
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 111 AH
Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D10
Coding: 00021
Shop #: WSC 00028
VCID: 64C952CDF457C06A59-5120
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 6Q0 909 605 B
Component: 03 AIRBAG VW5 0003
Coding: 12339
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 366DD885124B02FA37-4AE6
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3B0-920-xx2-17.lbl
Part No: 3B0 920 920 B
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V24
Coding: 07265
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 1D3F272997BDB1A2D6-513C
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 05314
VCID: 70E12E9D30AF6CCA2D-513C
No fault code found.
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VCDS
Self-Diagnosis Log
Tuesday,19,February,2019,16:17:25:03199
Page 3
VIN: License Plate:
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
Component: 6W Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
Coding: 04096
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 060D6845222B527AE7-4B18
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801D
Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. FS0002F
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802E
Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r
Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811D
Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812D
Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. HR0002H
4 Faults Found:
00943 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Driver Side (Z4)
35-00 - -
01358 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Driver Side (E150)
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00912 - Window Regulator Switch; Front Left (E40)
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00944 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Passenger Side (Z5)
35-00 - -
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
Part No: 1J0 035 180 B
Component: Radio DE2 0003
Coding: 04041
Shop #: WSC 05311
VCID: 1E3D20259ABBAABACF-51B2
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:07)--------------------------
 
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Admin note: Please don't use the PRINT function in VCDS to post data here. The formatting it produces is great for a sheet-fed printer, but much harder to read here on the forum that it should be. Instead, please post the native text that VCDS produces when you COPY or SAVE. And even if you did neither of those, any full scan(s) you've done get auto-saved to your Scans sub-folder.

I see nothing above that points explicitly at the ABS as being problematic.

Maybe you should post a picture of the warning in your dash?

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yes, thank you. It looks a lot better now. I cant post a pic of the dash warning symbol. I am pulling the wheel tocheck the brake pad wear indicator and try to repair it there. If I can't and the brake pads are very good which i believe they are, then I would like to be able to program out the brake pad warning light in the Instrument Cluster. If you could please check if my Auto Scan cmpleted all the required tests ( Past experience tells me the ABS module controls communication to some of the components ) , and please point me to the method to program out the brake pad warning light in the Instrument Cluster? I know my brakes are fine and i have no intention of selling this car without disclosing the problem. It would be much appreciated, Thank you.


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Wednesday,20,February,2019,09:48:59:03199
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com




Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
         
 
   Mileage: 257880km-160239miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl
   Part No: 3B0 907 551 AN
   Component: 2.8L V6/5V      G   0050  
   Coding: 07551
   Shop #: WSC 08097  
   VCID: 6FE32DE12D91733234-515A

6 Faults Found:
16497 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42) 
            P0113 - 35-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
17831 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 1 
            P1423 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30 
            P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
17819 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 2 
            P1411 - 35-10 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat) 
            P1296 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent
17521 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S1 
            P1113 - 35-10 - Internal Resistance too High - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 927 156 AS
   Component: AG5 01V 2.8l5V  USA 3132  
   Coding: 00104
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 7EFD00A57AFB0ABAAF-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 111 AH
   Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT   D10  
   Coding: 00021
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 64C952CDF457C06A59-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 B
   Component: 03 AIRBAG VW5       0003  
   Coding: 12339
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 366DD885124B02FA37-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx2-17.lbl
   Part No: 3B0 920 920 B
   Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V24   
   Coding: 07265
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 1D3F272997BDB1A2D6-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00005
   Shop #: WSC 05314  
   VCID: 70E12E9D30AF6CCA2D-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
   Component: 6W Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 060D6845222B527AE7-4B18

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801D
   Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802E
   Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811D
   Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812D
   Component: 6W Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r  

4 Faults Found:
00943 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Driver Side (Z4) 
            35-00 -  - 
01358 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Driver Side (E150) 
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00912 - Window Regulator Switch; Front Left (E40) 
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00944 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Passenger Side (Z5) 
            35-00 -  - 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 035 180 B
   Component:  Radio DE2         0003  
   Coding: 04041
   Shop #: WSC 05311  
   VCID: 1E3D20259ABBAABACF-51D0

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:07)--------------------------
 
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Couldn't you re-code the cluster and manually monitor brake pads like other cars or fix the wire or bad pad sensor due to worn brake pads using the WD in RTFB?

Did you in 0x17-07 read map in coding helper caption?
 
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A crappy, but legal, wiring diagram appears:
sd1xbGS.jpg


That is a typical diagram for this generation Passat with brake pad warning. Not a whole lot to look at. :)
 
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A crappy, but legal, wiring diagram appears:
That is a typical diagram for this generation Passat with brake pad warning. Not a whole lot to look at. :)
Yep. And any break in that circuit turns the light on.

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yes, thank you. It looks a lot better now. I cant post a pic of the dash warning symbol. I am pulling the wheel tocheck the brake pad wear indicator and try to repair it there. If I can't and the brake pads are very good which i believe they are, then I would like to be able to program out the brake pad warning light in the Instrument Cluster.
As a former B5.5 Passat owner, I can confirm that is indeed a brake pad wear sensor circuit warning. They're present on the front inboard pads only. It works as Jef and Uwe described. The wire is embedded in the pad material at a certain wear depth, and when the pad wears down to that point, it breaks the wire and therefore the circuit.

As "normal operation" of the car, it will not show up as a fault in a VCDS scan, much like the low washer fluid warning won't.

The warning can be disabled through coding in your instrument cluster, address 17. I would not advise that unless you know what you're doing, and you have personally verified pad thickness on both sides, bearing in mind that asymmetric wear can happen between the inboard and outboard pads and a visual check of the outboard pad alone isn't enough.
 
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It is very common for the wire to be damaged and stretched from some asshole hanging the suspension improper or when doing control arms etc & if nothing seems wrong with pad sensors when you ring them out just an FYI?
 
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Okay so what qualifies a WD being an illegal WD?
Copyright. But "fair use" provides a defense in some cases, particularly small snippets.

Copyright protects a particular expression of information, but not the information itself, meaning it's acceptable to re-draw a diagram. This is what many of the aftermarket service information providers do in order avoid legal problems, but of course that process can be error-prone.

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I guess it all depends on who in what alliance, the deep state or the cabal you ruffle?
 
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Thanks for the help. The simplest fix worked. I jumpered the connector as the brake pad sensor wire was frayed in spots and no taping the bare spot was going to be guaranteedto hold up under weather. The pads are like new after only 4000 miles in almost 2 years, and I swap winter summer tires so I will inspect the brakes twice per year.

Next question, will my KII - USB test cable work with my 2013 jetta, and if not, can I get a trade in? When I bought it around 7 years ago, a bought the cheaper model that was fit for my old B5 thinking that I would never own another VW :facepalm: Thank you
 
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Next question, will my KII - USB test cable work with my 2013 jetta, and if not, can I get a trade in? When I bought it around 7 years ago, a bought the cheaper model that was fit for my old B5 thinking that I would never own another VW :facepalm: Thank you
Nope, won't work. Upgrade here. You're in category 3.

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No wall for upgrade there and a fine ass deal.
https://goo.gl/images/d4ztAS

Hi, I picked the older dongle selection to HEX-V2 or a HEX-NET. Will the new HEX-V2 or a HEX-NET still work with my B5 ?

I looked further and the HEX - V2 Enthusiast has this ;
“VAG model year coverage: 1995 – Current model year*”

That sounds like it will work with both the B5 and the 2013 Jetta. Is that right?
 
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Go for all the bells and whistles and consider making your money back & by offering cheap scans for people with unlimited VIN's & so at same time you can than become more proficient yourself too?
 
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Hi, I picked the older dongle selection to HEX-V2 or a HEX-NET. Will the new HEX-V2 or a HEX-NET still work with my B5 ?

I looked further and the HEX - V2 Enthusiast has this ;
“VAG model year coverage: 1995 – Current model year*”

That sounds like it will work with both the B5 and the 2013 Jetta. Is that right?
Correct. All our current interfaces are universally compatible with all VW/Audi that came with an OBD-II connector.

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