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    No it won't work.
    Just because the cable had the 'right' connection does not mean it would function, especially since I doubt the HN has the capability to use a USB<->Ethernet adapter anyway.

    Plus my garage is almost 1'000 feet away...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoung8607 View Post
    Now that we understand the design (whether or not we agree with it) we are in a better place.
    I think this wraps it up Jason.

    Conclusion: You must have a computer, must connect via USB, and must use a utility to keep HEX-NET up to date.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jakematic View Post
    I think this wraps it up Jason.

    Conclusion: You must have a computer, must connect via USB, and must use a utility to keep HEX-NET up to date.
    You've got some problem with syncing ROD data, that's all.

    We understand there's no sign on your house that says broken ROD list storage, because storing broken ROD lists isn't your job.



    Uwe says you ain't got no problem, Jake. He says go back in the house and chill those HEX-NETs out, and wait for Shaun who should be coming directly.



    Alright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoung8607 View Post
    You've got some problem with syncing ROD data, that's all.
    No one at Ross-Tech will confirm or deny except Shaun saying the USB utility does different things.
    Which is also a non answer.

    So you and I are just theorizing, and HEX-NETs are going back in storage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jakematic View Post
    No it won't work.
    Just because the cable had the 'right' connection does not mean it would function, especially since I doubt the HN has the capability to use a USB<->Ethernet adapter anyway.

    Plus my garage is almost 1'000 feet away...
    Well, even if that adapter doesn't have the correct circuit inside it then just use the Apple one, one of the USB gender changers, and a Cat5 Ethernet cable once you've wired your garage.

    Yes, 1000 feet is a little long for a "temporary" connection; how do you travel between house & garage, Segway?
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    Everybody relax

    It looks like there was a minor timing issue with the speed the rod info is being sent from the HEX-NET, which could cause some of the rod info to be skipped. I made some tweaks to the timing here, which has fixed the issue for me. As with many things, this comes down to balancing performance vs. reliability on a higher latency connection. This tweak will be in the next codeblock update, and then we can do some more testing and see if the issue is resolved for you or if we need to tweak some things further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Everybody relax
    I'm cool on this end, but I think Jake is going to eat a frisbee unless we get an Official Ross-Tech Statement on some things. Can you help us out?

    1) True/False: You must have a computer, must connect via USB, and must use a utility to keep HEX-NET up to date.

    2) In the USB updater, what is a BL object? Does anyone NOT using the USB updater care if it's out-of-date?

    3) In the USB updater, what is a CFB object? Does anyone NOT using the USB updater care if it's out-of-date?

    Thanks!

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    1) True/False: You must have a computer, must connect via USB, and must use a utility to keep HEX-NET up to date.
    You do not need a computer to update the HEX-NET. The USB utility is an alternative that may be better or easier in certain situations, such as if you are unable to tether or have bad cell signal. The exception to this may be certain recovery type things which we may not wish to do over the air.

    2) In the USB updater, what is a BL object? Does anyone NOT using the USB updater care if it's out-of-date?

    3) In the USB updater, what is a CFB object? Does anyone NOT using the USB updater care if it's out-of-date?
    These are bootloader and filesystem related items. We do not expect these to be updated very often, if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    You do not need a computer to update the HEX-NET. The USB utility is an alternative that may be better or easier in certain situations, such as if you are unable to tether or have bad cell signal. The exception to this may be certain recovery type things which we may not wish to do over the air.
    Excellent!

    Using the utility in a backup/rescue scenario is understood. We're just trying to understand day-to-day normal operations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    These are bootloader and filesystem related items. We do not expect these to be updated very often, if at all.
    Okay, but those were two-part questions. Does anyone NOT using the USB updater care if it's out-of-date?

    If I'm updating OTA only, I won't have gotten the updated BL/CFB objects you sent out a couple months ago. If I'm working fine with just OTA updates, then I didn't actually need those BL/CFB updates, so why did they get pushed out at all? On the flip side, if I do have to have those BL/CFB updates, then "You do not need a computer to update the HEX-NET" isn't really a true statement.

    I've been ass-u-ming the BL/CFB updates were in service of the USB update process, thus both statements can be true: they're delivered via USB only, and OTA users don't care about them. As you can see, though, it's become something of a hot topic so we'd like to know for sure.

    Jason

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    I don't want to go into too much detail about what is being done there on the low level, but it is quite possible to be running an older version of these things without ill effect. At some point, a minimum version may be needed for certain things, and a mandatory update may be required, possibly via USB. That would be on a case by case basis. It is also quite possible that in the future some of these things might be updated OTA, that is again a case by case basis. Since I don't know the future, I can't say for sure what this will look like. But I can say that we at least have the USB utility now as an option.

    --Shaun

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