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    Is 2008 Gallardo supported with HEX+CAN?

    Hi, I am trying to decide if my HEX+CAN should be working on this 2008 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder (I understand it to be a LP560 chassis):


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    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
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    Chassis Type: 40 - Lamborghini Gallardo (2008 > 2013)
    Scan: 01 02 03 09 11 16 17 25 37 46 54 56 6C 77

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: None
    Part No: 400 959 433 BC
    Component: G2B27002 G270LSU1
    Shop #: WSC 02007 000 08583
    VCID: DAB1B9DB1667239A7B-5178

    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels:
    VCID: D5ABAAE72C790CE256-501C
    Note: Excessive Comm Errors


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 11: Engine II Labels: None
    Part No: 410 907 557 M
    Component: VgB34401 U44BG3S2
    Shop #: WSC 02107 000 17433
    VCID: A34FC43F61ADA25268-5178

    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred

    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:00)--------------------------



    Thanks,

    Andy

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    I think you'd find that the HEX+CAN objects to this car if/when you try to use license-restricted functions.

    But that doesn't explain why you'r seeing the all those communications errors. It looks like you're using a somewhat ancient HEX-COM+CAN. What kind of computer are you using? Does it have an actual RS-232 serial port, or are you using a USB<->Serial converter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    I think you'd find that the HEX+CAN objects to this car if/when you try to use license-restricted functions.

    But that doesn't explain why you'r seeing the all those communications errors. It looks like you're using a somewhat ancient HEX-COM+CAN. What kind of computer are you using? Does it have an actual RS-232 serial port, or are you using a USB<->Serial converter?

    -Uwe-

    I did see a license warning screen Friday but havn't been able to reproduce that. The car has DLC pins 2+10 for J1850 with appropriate looking signals, pin 6 is 0v, pin 14 is 11.8v, pin 7 is 11.13v, pin 15 is 4.77v.
    computer: Win7 32bit, dual core 4GB ram. Original scan was with usb<->serial convertor, second scan with my other HEX+CAN usb attached:

    Monday,14,January,2019,10:39:30:09825
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com




    Chassis Type: 40 - Lamborghini Gallardo (2008 > 2013)
    Scan: 01 02 03 09 11 16 17 25 37 46 54 56 6C 77

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: None
    Part No: 400 959 433 BC
    Component: G2B27002 G270LSU1
    Shop #: WSC 02007 000 08583
    VCID: 5AB071429639189AFB-50E6

    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels:
    VCID: 55AA627EAC2737E2D6-4FAA
    Note: Excessive Comm Errors


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 11: Engine II Labels: None
    Part No: 410 907 557 M
    Component: VgB34401 U44BG3S2
    Shop #: WSC 02107 000 17433
    VCID: 234E0CA6E1F39952E8-5102

    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred

    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:18)--------------------------


    Thanks

    Andy

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    Dana did some digging through our e-mail archives and it seems we have a scans from couple of other Gallardos of similar vintage that look almost exactly like that, including errors that look just like those. So at this point, I'm going to assume that the protocols used by those ECUs and TCU isn't entirely VAG compatible. I believe Lambo dealers had a dedicated scan tool at the time as well.

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    Adding to that, it doesn't look like we recommended a Blk Int increase from default 55 to 100. If you'd like to try that Blk Int is located on the VCDS Program [Options] screen followed by [Save]. Just make sure to change it back to 55 -or- use the [Restore Defaults] button followed by [Save] to prevent problems with any other vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Adding to that, it doesn't look like we recommended a Blk Int increase from default 55 to 100. If you'd like to try that Blk Int is located on the VCDS Program [Options] screen followed by [Save]. Just make sure to change it back to 55 -or- use the [Restore Defaults] button followed by [Save] to prevent problems with any other vehicles.
    Thanks for the suggestion, same result using the USB HEX+CAN "Blk Int increase from default 55 to 100".

    It looks like it is time to upgrade one of our HEX+CAN interfaces, if that is what it takes to communicate with this vehicle. Time to give up on the Lambo for now.

    I appreciate your responses,

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayliter View Post
    It looks like it is time to upgrade one of our HEX+CAN interfaces, if that is what it takes to communicate with this vehicle.
    I'm not certain that this is a solution for those relatively early Gallardos, i.e. I'm not sure we've gotten feedback that that those cars work even properly even with a HEX-NET. Later ones are fine.

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    Some, one or more, depending of car model, can probably connect, if you redirect pin 7 from VCDS to other pins on OBD connector.
    For example ABS.
    Look at wiring diagram for the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEtech View Post
    Some, one or more, depending of car model, can probably connect, if you redirect pin 7 from VCDS to other pins on OBD connector.
    For example ABS.
    Look at wiring diagram for the car.
    That won't get one proper communications with the ECUs and TCU, will it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    That won't get one proper communications with the ECUs and TCU, will it?
    No, I am pretty sure, that is as you wrote, some other or special communication.

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