2005 VW Transporter - 2.5Tdi PD

DGMotors · Jan 10, 2019

Hi

We have a VW Transporter with an uneven tickover when warm I've been checking all the readings and the KW reading in MVB 04.4 seem very low at -4.9

Has anyone got an acceptable range for this please?

Cheers

Toby

Code:

;SW:070-906-016-BA   HW:028-101-166-4 ---  Engine							
;Component:R5 2	5L EDC G000SG  7001	 Coding:0000132					
;Thursday	3	January	2019	16:09:13:06091			
;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.0 (x64)  Data version: 20180927 DS296.0							
;VCID: D0EC264142F478CA86-5184							
							
Group	Field 1	Data type	Field 2	Data type	Field 3	Data type	Field 4
1	819 /min		4.9 mg/str		7.1°KW		86.4°C
2	798 /min		0.00%		 0 01  0		86.4°C
3	777 /min		245.0 mg/str		240.0 mg/str		43.00%
4	777 /min		5.0 °BTDC		7.7°KW		-4.9°KW
5	798 /min		20.6 mg/str		48		86.4°C
6	0.0 km/h		1000		0.00%		10
7	66.6°C		 		22.5°C		87.3°C
8	819 /min		0.0 Nm		187.9 Nm		126.9 Nm
9	798 /min		-1280.0 Nm		500.2 Nm		126.9 Nm
10	240.0 mg/str		1030.2 mbar		1030.2 mbar		0.00%
11	777 /min		1020.0 mbar		1030.2 mbar		80.50%
12	11111111		0.00 s		14.52 V		87.3°C
13	0.16 mg/str		0.47 mg/str		0.05 mg/str		0.00 mg/str
14	-0.71 mg/str		 		 		 
15	819 /min		36.6 Nm		0.60 l/h		0.0 Nm
16	35.70%		 		 		14.59 V
17	0		0		0		0
18	0		0		0		0
19	0		 		 		 
20	777 /min		51.2 Nm		1270.0 Nm		-1280.0 Nm
21	0		 		0		100
22	1		1		0		16
23	-28		-23		-45		-23
24	-57		 		 		 
25	1848 /min		 		4		0
26	E27E						
27	1		 		0.0 km/h		190.0 km/h
28	0.304 V		 		 0 01  0		0.00%
29	88.2°C		44.0 mm		 		 
51	819 /min		399 /min		48		1010000
55	0		0		100000		100000
56	100000		100000		100000		0xFF00
62	86.4°C		35.1°C		4.5°C		23.4°C
64	86.4°C		35.1°C		10.10%		 
80	BPG-810 31.01.05 12345678 1883 0106						
81	WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078895 VWZ7Z0E1560290 1234567						
82	0020078502756 <> 78  020L 79   <> 						
125	 		ABS 1		Instruments 1		Airbag 1
126	 		 		Cent. Elect. 1		 
131	16		5.2 mg/str		 		86.4°C
133	798 /min		235.0 mg/str		1030.2 mbar		0
134	35.70%		14.52 V		 		 
140	-0.56 mg/str		 		 		 
145	0		 		 		 
150	-51		 		 		 
213	798 /min		0.00%		0.0 km/h		0
225	0		0		0		0
226	0		 		0		0
227	0		0		0		0
228	0		0		 		 
229	 		 		0		0
252	 		 		Cent. Elect. 1

Larry Manton · Jan 11, 2019

TOBY, THINK FOLKS WILL WANT A. FULL SCAN HERE FOR EVALUATION, THANKS.

LARIMORE

DGMotors · Jan 15, 2019

Here is the autoscan

Code:

Tuesday,11,December,2018,09:30:55:06091
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4436.4
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: DG Motor Services

VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078895   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ5H07****   Mileage: 189270km-117606miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-AXD.clb
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 BA    HW: 028 101 166 4
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC G000SG  7001  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E1560290
   Coding: 0000132
   Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
   VCID: D0EC264142F478CA85-5184

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 X X X 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ABS-A.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 907 379 B
   Component: ABS/EDS ALLRAD MK25 0102  
   Coding: 0007706
   Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
   VCID: B4244AD1D62C24EA81-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 K
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  1901  
   Coding: 0000229
   Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
   VCID: BA3864E9F448D29A5B-513C

3 Faults Found:
00909 - Windshield Wiper Motor (V) Stage 1/2 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00991 - Interior Lights 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00968 - Right Turn Signals 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3B AIRBAG VW51      0008  
   Coding: 13122
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: A208BC892CD8BA5A63-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 850 G
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 01412
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: AE1058B968000E3AF7-513C
   WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078***     VWZ7Z0E1560290

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00022
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: F0AC86C1B2B458CAA5-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 A
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0105  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 02771 785 00200
   VCID: AE1058B938000E3AF7-513C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C2B Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00069
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: B2284CC97C382ADA93-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H2959802
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0203  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7H2959801
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0203  

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 06:05, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/10.6V. VIgn 10.9V)-----

Larry Manton · Jan 15, 2019

Dgmotors, noted ending battery voltage 10,6 , started at 12 after 6 minutes. DID it drop this far while obtain auto scan? Would like to see how well it rebounded once started.

This issue happens when warm, wondering if charging system just keeping up while running. What is the condition of battery?, age, conditions of post ECT.

LARIMORE

DGMotors · Jan 16, 2019

Larry Manton said:
Dgmotors, noted ending battery voltage 10,6 , started at 12 after 6 minutes. DID it drop this far while obtain auto scan? Would like to see how well it rebounded once started.

This issue happens when warm, wondering if charging system just keeping up while running. What is the condition of battery?, age, conditions of post ECT.

LARIMORE

Cheers Larry

The autoscan was done with the engine off and the battery has been replaced as the autoscan was 11 December. in the logs you can see the voltage is 14.52 volts with the engine running.

Guitarman · Jan 16, 2019

Have a good look at the injector loom. Running in the hot oil they can fracture (often when the engine is warm). I have the 174 HP version of that van, I could see what mine shows tomorrow if you are stuck. There is no engine label file for my AXE engine though.

DGMotors · Jan 17, 2019

Guitarman said:
Have a good look at the injector loom. Running in the hot oil they can fracture (often when the engine is warm). I have the 174 HP version of that van, I could see what mine shows tomorrow if you are stuck. There is no engine label file for my AXE engine though.

Good shout on the injector loom.

If you could please check your reading that would be good, I know on the 1.9 PD the KW should be as close to 0 and if to far out from this figure causes idle problems.

On this van it starts at -3.9 when cold and works it way to -4.9 with a hot engine (86c)

Guitarman · Jan 17, 2019

Had a look at mine (don't know how to log that many groups together as you have) but in group 4, fields 3 and 4 are marked 'Idle stabilization'. Field 3 changes about slightly on revving but is at 7.1kw at idle. Field 4 changes just after starting for about half a second but then settles at -3.4 and will not change on revving. This was with a warm engine. There are other 'Idle Stabilization blocks' in other groups but curiously only four for the five cylinders the van has.

I thought the idle stabilization system was there to add/subtract fuel from each cylinder to smooth out variations caused by engine wear over time but I've never seen it shown in KW before and with such a range. I wonder if fields 3 and 4 refer to something else?

I did once have an idle speed problem on mine but it was more like a sudden electrical load being applied, slowing the engine occasionally rather than a misfire or an injector problem. Do you know if it's had a cam btw? Once they get past about 100-120k most are on borrowed time!

I just remembered I took this screenshot.

DGMotors · Jan 18, 2019

Cheers Guitarman

To make a controller channel map see this link just use 01 for engine and output as a .csv file

On the 1.9/2.0 PD this figure is changed by altering the camshaft in relation to the crankshaft, click this link to myturbodiesel.com for more info

Ive had quite a few 4 cylinder pd run bad on idle when the figure is to far out, 0 +or-3 but 2.5PD engine all seem to run quite a high negative value,

Problem van is -4.9
Guitarman -3.4
2005 AXD Van with 60K on the clock -2.9

So I'm guessing -2 to-4 is correct with the problem van being slightly out

Might pop the rocker cover off and have a look when it comes back in.

Guitarman · Jan 18, 2019

Interesting. I knew you could use the channel map function for making a pre-label file to send up to Ross-Tech but I didn't realize you could use it 'live' like that. I'll make a map of mine. :thumbs:

I wonder why the that figure on mine is frozen once the engine is running?

If there was a reliable figure for that perhaps it could be used to confirm correct setting up of a new cam. The special tools should do that but a lot of folks seem to manage to muck it up!

Guitarman · Jan 18, 2019

Here's the map if anyone else needs it. It's from an '04 Transporter 2.5 5cyl AXE engine.

Code:

;SW:070-997-016-D   HW:028-101-073-3 ---  Engine
;Component:R5 2,5L EDC G000SG  7596, Coding:0001072
;Friday,18,January,2019,16:04:32:20365
;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.0 (x64)  Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
;VCID: 1B3123CAD9EA4D9220-515A

Group,Field 1,Data type,Field 2,Data type,Field 3,Data type,Field 4,Data type,
1,798 /min,RPM,7.1 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,7.1°KW,Idle Stabilization,79.2°C,Temperature,
2,798 /min,RPM,0.0 %,Load, 0 01  0,Bin. Bits,79.2°C,Temperature,
3,798 /min,RPM,235.0 mg/str,Mass Air / Rev.,235.0 mg/str,Mass Air / Rev.,41.0 %,Duty Cycle,
4,798 /min,RPM,7.1 °BTDC,Ign. Timing,7.1°KW,Idle Stabilization,-3.4°KW,Idle Stabilization,
5,798 /min,RPM,12.4 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,48.0,(no units),79.2°C,Temperature,
6,0.0 km/h,Speed,00001100,Bin. Bits,0.0 %,Load,00000010,Bin. Bits,
7,59.4°C,Temperature,0.0 %,Load,19.8°C,Temperature,79.2°C,Temperature,
8,798 /min,RPM,-2.4 Nm,Torque,234.2 Nm,Torque,156.2 Nm,Torque,
9,798 /min,RPM,-1280.0 Nm,Torque,500.2 Nm,Torque,156.2 Nm,Torque,
10,240.0 mg/str,Mass Air / Rev.,999.6 mbar,Absolute Pres.,989.4 mbar,Absolute Pres.,0.0 %,Load,
11,798 /min,RPM,1009.8 mbar,Absolute Pres.,989.4 mbar,Absolute Pres.,78.9 %,Duty Cycle,
12,11111111,Bin. Bits,0.00 s,Time,14.14 V,Voltage,79.2°C,Temperature,
13,0.07 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,-0.71 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,0.54 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,-0.09 mg/str,Inj. Quantity,
14,0.16 mg/str,Inj. Quantity, , , , , , ,
15,798 /min,RPM,70.8 Nm,Torque,1.00 l/h,Fuel Consump.,-2.4 Nm,Torque,
16,38.0 %,Load, , , , ,14.06 V,Voltage,
17,00000000,Bin. Bits,01000100,Bin. Bits,10000000,Bin. Bits,10000000,Bin. Bits,
18,0.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),
19,0.0,(no units), , , , , , ,
20,798 /min,RPM,68.3 Nm,Torque,1270.0 Nm,Torque,-1280.0 Nm,Torque,
21,00000000,Bin. Bits, , ,00000000,Bin. Bits,00000100,Bin. Bits,
22,1.0,(no units),1.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),16.0,(no units),
23,-65.0,(no units),-58.0,(no units),-49.0,(no units),-66.0,(no units),
24,-58.0,(no units), , , , , , ,
25,798 /min,RPM, , ,4.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),
26,C5C6,RPM,
27,1.0,(no units), , ,0.0 km/h,Speed,190.0 km/h,Speed,
29,79.2°C,Temperature, , , , , , ,
51,798 /min,RPM,399 /min,RPM,48.0,(no units),01010000,Bin. Bits,
55,0.0,(no units),0.0,(no units),00100000,Bin. Bits,00000000,Bin. Bits,
56,00100000,Bin. Bits,00100000,Bin. Bits,00000000,Bin. Bits,0xFF00,Hex Value,
60,798 /min,RPM,65.9 Nm,Torque,79.2°C,Temperature, , ,

johne · Mar 30, 2020

HI All, where do i find a following button ??

Uwe · Mar 30, 2020

johne said:
HI All, where do i find a following button ??

What is a "following button"?

-Uwe-

PetrolDave · Mar 30, 2020

Uwe said:
What is a "following button"?

I *think* he means how can I "follow" a thread i.e. get sent email notifications when there are new posts in a thread?

Uwe · Mar 30, 2020

PetrolDave said:
I *think* he means how can I "follow" a thread i.e. get sent email notifications when there are new posts in a thread?

Ah. In that case, it will be toward the top of the page, Thread Tools -> Subscribe to this Thread.

-Uwe-

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