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    2005 VW Transporter - 2.5Tdi PD

    Hi

    We have a VW Transporter with an uneven tickover when warm I've been checking all the readings and the KW reading in MVB 04.4 seem very low at -4.9

    Has anyone got an acceptable range for this please?

    Cheers

    Toby

    Code:
    ;SW:070-906-016-BA   HW:028-101-166-4 ---  Engine							
    ;Component:R5 2	5L EDC G000SG  7001	 Coding:0000132					
    ;Thursday	3	January	2019	16:09:13:06091			
    ;VCDS Version: Release 18.9.0 (x64)  Data version: 20180927 DS296.0							
    ;VCID: D0EC264142F478CA86-5184							
    							
    Group	Field 1	Data type	Field 2	Data type	Field 3	Data type	Field 4
    1	819 /min		4.9 mg/str		7.1KW		86.4C
    2	798 /min		0.00%		 0 01  0		86.4C
    3	777 /min		245.0 mg/str		240.0 mg/str		43.00%
    4	777 /min		5.0 BTDC		7.7KW		-4.9KW
    5	798 /min		20.6 mg/str		48		86.4C
    6	0.0 km/h		1000		0.00%		10
    7	66.6C		 		22.5C		87.3C
    8	819 /min		0.0 Nm		187.9 Nm		126.9 Nm
    9	798 /min		-1280.0 Nm		500.2 Nm		126.9 Nm
    10	240.0 mg/str		1030.2 mbar		1030.2 mbar		0.00%
    11	777 /min		1020.0 mbar		1030.2 mbar		80.50%
    12	11111111		0.00 s		14.52 V		87.3C
    13	0.16 mg/str		0.47 mg/str		0.05 mg/str		0.00 mg/str
    14	-0.71 mg/str		 		 		 
    15	819 /min		36.6 Nm		0.60 l/h		0.0 Nm
    16	35.70%		 		 		14.59 V
    17	0		0		0		0
    18	0		0		0		0
    19	0		 		 		 
    20	777 /min		51.2 Nm		1270.0 Nm		-1280.0 Nm
    21	0		 		0		100
    22	1		1		0		16
    23	-28		-23		-45		-23
    24	-57		 		 		 
    25	1848 /min		 		4		0
    26	E27E						
    27	1		 		0.0 km/h		190.0 km/h
    28	0.304 V		 		 0 01  0		0.00%
    29	88.2C		44.0 mm		 		 
    51	819 /min		399 /min		48		1010000
    55	0		0		100000		100000
    56	100000		100000		100000		0xFF00
    62	86.4C		35.1C		4.5C		23.4C
    64	86.4C		35.1C		10.10%		 
    80	BPG-810 31.01.05 12345678 1883 0106						
    81	WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078895 VWZ7Z0E1560290 1234567						
    82	0020078502756 <> 78  020L 79   <> 						
    125	 		ABS 1		Instruments 1		Airbag 1
    126	 		 		Cent. Elect. 1		 
    131	16		5.2 mg/str		 		86.4C
    133	798 /min		235.0 mg/str		1030.2 mbar		0
    134	35.70%		14.52 V		 		 
    140	-0.56 mg/str		 		 		 
    145	0		 		 		 
    150	-51		 		 		 
    213	798 /min		0.00%		0.0 km/h		0
    225	0		0		0		0
    226	0		 		0		0
    227	0		0		0		0
    228	0		0		 		 
    229	 		 		0		0
    252	 		 		Cent. Elect. 1

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    TOBY, THINK FOLKS WILL WANT A. FULL SCAN HERE FOR EVALUATION, THANKS.

    LARIMORE

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    Here is the autoscan

    Code:
    Tuesday,11,December,2018,09:30:55:06091
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: DG Motor Services
    
    VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078895   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
              57 6E 76 77 78 7D
     
    VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ5H07****   Mileage: 189270km-117606miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-AXD.clb
       Part No SW: 070 906 016 BA    HW: 028 101 166 4
       Component: R5 2,5L EDC G000SG  7001  
       Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E1560290
       Coding: 0000132
       Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
       VCID: D0EC264142F478CA85-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 X X X 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ABS-A.lbl
       Part No: 7H0 907 379 B
       Component: ABS/EDS ALLRAD MK25 0102  
       Coding: 0007706
       Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
       VCID: B4244AD1D62C24EA81-513C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
       Part No: 7H0 937 049 K
       Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  1901  
       Coding: 0000229
       Shop #: WSC 02756 785 00200
       VCID: BA3864E9F448D29A5B-513C
    
    3 Faults Found:
    00909 - Windshield Wiper Motor (V) Stage 1/2 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    00991 - Interior Lights 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    00968 - Right Turn Signals 
                011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
       Component: 3B AIRBAG VW51      0008  
       Coding: 13122
       Shop #: WSC 02756  
       VCID: A208BC892CD8BA5A63-513C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 7H0 920 850 G
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
       Coding: 01412
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: AE1058B968000E3AF7-513C
       WV1ZZZ7HZ5H078***     VWZ7Z0E1560290
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00022
       Shop #: WSC 02756  
       VCID: F0AC86C1B2B458CAA5-513C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
       Part No: 7H0 907 554 A
       Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0105  
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 02771 785 00200
       VCID: AE1058B938000E3AF7-513C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
       Component: C2B Komfortgert     0004  
       Coding: 00069
       Shop #: WSC 02756  
       VCID: B2284CC97C382ADA93-4B1E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H2959802
       Component: Trsteuer.FS KLO 0203  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7H2959801
       Component: Trsteuer.BF KLO 0203  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 06:05, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/10.6V. VIgn 10.9V)-----

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    Dgmotors, noted ending battery voltage 10,6 , started at 12 after 6 minutes. DID it drop this far while obtain auto scan? Would like to see how well it rebounded once started.

    This issue happens when warm, wondering if charging system just keeping up while running. What is the condition of battery?, age, conditions of post ECT.

    LARIMORE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Manton View Post
    Dgmotors, noted ending battery voltage 10,6 , started at 12 after 6 minutes. DID it drop this far while obtain auto scan? Would like to see how well it rebounded once started.

    This issue happens when warm, wondering if charging system just keeping up while running. What is the condition of battery?, age, conditions of post ECT.

    LARIMORE
    Cheers Larry

    The autoscan was done with the engine off and the battery has been replaced as the autoscan was 11 December. in the logs you can see the voltage is 14.52 volts with the engine running.

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    Have a good look at the injector loom. Running in the hot oil they can fracture (often when the engine is warm). I have the 174 HP version of that van, I could see what mine shows tomorrow if you are stuck. There is no engine label file for my AXE engine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarman View Post
    Have a good look at the injector loom. Running in the hot oil they can fracture (often when the engine is warm). I have the 174 HP version of that van, I could see what mine shows tomorrow if you are stuck. There is no engine label file for my AXE engine though.
    Good shout on the injector loom.

    If you could please check your reading that would be good, I know on the 1.9 PD the KW should be as close to 0 and if to far out from this figure causes idle problems.

    On this van it starts at -3.9 when cold and works it way to -4.9 with a hot engine (86c)

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    Had a look at mine (don't know how to log that many groups together as you have) but in group 4, fields 3 and 4 are marked 'Idle stabilization'. Field 3 changes about slightly on revving but is at 7.1kw at idle. Field 4 changes just after starting for about half a second but then settles at -3.4 and will not change on revving. This was with a warm engine. There are other 'Idle Stabilization blocks' in other groups but curiously only four for the five cylinders the van has.

    I thought the idle stabilization system was there to add/subtract fuel from each cylinder to smooth out variations caused by engine wear over time but I've never seen it shown in KW before and with such a range. I wonder if fields 3 and 4 refer to something else?

    I did once have an idle speed problem on mine but it was more like a sudden electrical load being applied, slowing the engine occasionally rather than a misfire or an injector problem. Do you know if it's had a cam btw? Once they get past about 100-120k most are on borrowed time!

    I just remembered I took this screenshot.


    Last edited by Guitarman; 01-17-2019 at 12:33 PM.

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    Cheers Guitarman

    To make a controller channel map see this link just use 01 for engine and output as a .csv file

    On the 1.9/2.0 PD this figure is changed by altering the camshaft in relation to the crankshaft, click this link to myturbodiesel.com for more info

    Ive had quite a few 4 cylinder pd run bad on idle when the figure is to far out, 0 +or-3 but 2.5PD engine all seem to run quite a high negative value,

    Problem van is -4.9
    Guitarman -3.4
    2005 AXD Van with 60K on the clock -2.9

    So I'm guessing -2 to-4 is correct with the problem van being slightly out

    Might pop the rocker cover off and have a look when it comes back in.

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    Interesting. I knew you could use the channel map function for making a pre-label file to send up to Ross-Tech but I didn't realize you could use it 'live' like that. I'll make a map of mine. I wonder why the that figure on mine is frozen once the engine is running?

    If there was a reliable figure for that perhaps it could be used to confirm correct setting up of a new cam. The special tools should do that but a lot of folks seem to manage to muck it up!

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