7L6 Touareg disable engine power retardation and RNS510 media system starting

kiwimike · Dec 29, 2018

Hello,

Two issues I'm stuck on with on my Touareg:

1: I don't know the coding table for the ABS/ESP stability control to disable the electronic power retardation feature in the ESP ALLRAD MK25E1 module. It's still originally coded 0008450.

Even with ESP disabled and centre lock locked, I'm still getting power delivery intervention in times of high power requirements. Pulling a trailer though sand I need wheel spin and power to the ground, electronic lateral differential lock intervention is manageable, but the power retardation isn't, all momentum is suddenly lost in this instance. I can crudely disable ABS with the fuse removal, but this also disables the centre lock.

2: The RNS510 is sticking on System Starting on the Media page, and is failing to boot the navigation map. After an hour or so or runtime, a three key < > * reboot has everything return to normal operation.

Do I have anything miscoded that isn't showing? There's no fault codes, also swapping the bluetooth modules and reinstalling the firmware 5238 has not improved this situation. I have a 3C8 035 730E bluetooth module installed, it works perfectly and is also wired for stereo music streaming, the Touareg Can Gateway just cannot communicate with it, so I use my Golf's gateway to communicate, but this bluetooth module was installed and used before this System Starting issue. It's also coded with the wifi off.

Thanks for any help, also the door malfunctions below were just because I'd removed and reinstalled the doors.

Code:

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VCDS Mobile 0.4436.0.4

VIN: WVGAM27LX9D001159

Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 28 36 37 3C 46 47 55 56
	 68 69 6C 6D 76 77

VIN: WVGAM27LX9D001159

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
68-Wiper Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010



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Address 01: Engine	Labels: 079-907-560-BAR.clb
	Part No SW: 7L0 907 560 C	HW: 7L0907560
	Component: 4.2l V8/4V           0050
	Revision: 75H05---	Serial Number: VWX3Z0H3757642
	Coding: 04210010590F0960
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 312586C7F24E4B4566FC4A-5184

No fault codes found.

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Address 02: Auto Trans	Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl
	Part No SW: 09D 927 750 HF	HW: 09D927750HF
	Component: AL 750 6A            1409
	Revision: 00H75000	Serial Number:               
	Coding: 0004458
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 79B57EE76ABE43059EAC62-5160

No fault codes found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes	Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25E1.clb
	Part No SW: 7L0 907 379 L	HW: 7L0907379L
	Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1    0303
	Revision: 00H53001
	Coding: 0008450
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 42C7D90B47E8C5DD8F868D-8017

No fault codes found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.	Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
	Part No SW: 3D0 909 137 F	HW: 3D0909137F
	Component: 23 Kessy             6850
	Revision: 00H22070	Serial Number: VWX3Z0H3757642
	Coding: 0147688
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 2A1791ABDF983D9DA7B685-807F

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: XXX-XXX-XXX-XX
	Component: ELV                  XXXX

No fault codes found.

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass	Labels: None
	Part No SW: 7L0 959 760	
	Component: Sitzverstellung      0701
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: F7B1F8DFDCAAD07568B8F4-80A2

No fault codes found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC	Labels: 7L6-907-044.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 907 044 AF	
	Component: CLIMAtronic 2+2      4331
	Coding: 0021020
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 78B37BE351B45F0DE1A27F-802D

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-907-049-F
	Component: CLIMAtronic FOND     0503

No fault codes found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.	Labels: 7Lx-937-049-V2.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 937 049 AF	HW: 7L6937049AF
	Component: 2001J519                
	Serial Number: --------------
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000
	VCID: 80439303896497CD5912D7-80D5

No fault codes found.

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Address 15: Airbags	Labels: 7L0-959-655.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L0 959 655	HW: 7L0959655
	Component: J234__36 VW8T        0250
	Revision: 92012025	Serial Number: 0039P0053KCY  
	Coding: 0013110
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: FAB7E1EBEFB8CD1D17D695-80AF

No fault codes found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel	Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L6 953 549 G	
	Component: J527                 3601
	Coding: 0011012
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 43C9DC0F58F2CCD584B0B0-8016

No fault codes found.

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Address 17: Instruments	Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7L6.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L6 920 885 P	HW: 7L6920885P
	Component: J285 KOMBI-INST.     7520
	Revision: KHH06V02
	Coding: 0007701
	Shop #: WSC 76700 819 105401
	VCID: 49D5CE277ADE12854ECC72-801C

No fault codes found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway	Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
	Part No SW: 6N0 909 901	HW: 7L6920885P
	Component: J533  GW-K-CAN TP20  7520
	Coding: 77E6EFFFCA046002
	Shop #: WSC 76700 819 105401
	VCID: F0A3C3C3B9C4834DA97207-80A5

No fault codes found.

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Address 22: AWD	Labels: 0A-22.lbl
	Part No SW: 0AD 927 755 BG	
	Component: TRANSFERCASE         0126
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: 81459607826E9BC5561CDA-5184

No fault codes found.

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Address 28: Failed to respond

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr	Labels: None
	Part No SW: 7L0 959 760	
	Component: Sitzverstellung      0703
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: F7B1F8DFDCAAD07568B8F4-80A2

No fault codes found.

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Address 37: Navigation  (J0506)	Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 035 680 C	HW: 7L6 035 680 A
	Component: RNS-MID       H04 5238
	Revision: AB001001
	Coding: 02050000000000120000
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 322789CBF748F15D1FE67D-8067

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-919-859-F
	Component: AGCC V9      8296

No fault codes found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change	Labels: 7L-3c.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 907 566 B	HW: 7L6907568A
	Component: J0769_SWA_MasterH10  0070
	Revision: 00H10000	Serial Number: 6PZ 009 014-01
	Coding: 0000051
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 3C3BA7F3250CB32DC54AC3-8069

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-907-568-B
	Component: J0770_SWA_Slave_H08  0070
	Serial Number: 6PZ 009 014-21

No fault codes found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.	Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L6 959 933 A	
	Component: 24 HSG               0601
	Coding: 0000085
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 40C3D30349E4D2CD999297-4B1E

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L0-959-701-P
	Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS  6303

	Subsystem 2 - 	Part No SW: 7L0-959-702-P
	Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF  6302

	Subsystem 3 - 	Part No SW: 7L0-959-703-D
	Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL  0201

	Subsystem 4 - 	Part No SW: 7L0-959-704-D
	Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR  0201

	Subsystem 5 - 	Part No SW: 7L0-907-719-A
	Component:    Neigungssensor    0020

	Subsystem 6 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-951-171-B
	Component:    Innenraumsensor   0020

2 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
	002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
	000 -  - 


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Address 47: Sound System	Labels: 7Lx-035-4xx-47.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L6 035 466 C	HW: 7L6035466C
	Component: DSP 10 Kanal         0020
	Revision: 00H05001	Serial Number: 75835000495503
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: 342B8FD30D5C7F6D0D1A6B-8061

No fault codes found.

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Address 55: Xenon Range	Labels: 7L6-907-357-A.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L6 907 357 A	HW: 7L6941329B
	Component: AFS-Steuergeraet     0001
	Revision:   H02   	Serial Number:               
	Coding: 1286275
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 3935BEE72A3E8605DE2C22-806C

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-941-329-B	Labels: 3D0-941-329.clb
	Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l     S002
	Coding: 0000019

	Subsystem 2 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-941-329-B	Labels: 3D0-941-329.clb
	Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r     S002
	Coding: 0000019

No fault codes found.

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Address 56: Radio  (J0506)	Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 035 680 C	HW: 7L6 035 680 A
	Component: RNS-MID       H04 5238
	Revision: AB001001
	Coding: 02050000000000120000
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 322789CBF748F15D1FE67D-8067

	Subsystem 1 - 	Part No SW: 7L6-919-859-F
	Component: AGCC V9      8296

No fault codes found.

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.	Labels: 7L0-955-119-V2.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 955 119 B	
	Component: J400__ Front Wiper   5301
	Coding: 0001397
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 3935BEE72A3E8205DE2C22-806C

No fault codes found.

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Address 69: Trailer	Labels: 7L0-907-383-1D2.lbl
	Part No SW: 7L0 907 383 N	HW: 7L0907383N
	Component: J345  Anhaenger      0080
	Revision: 4A009002	Serial Number: 00000177341264
	Coding: 0016385
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: 3FC1D0FF341AA835E068EC-806A

No fault codes found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.	Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 907 441 B	HW: 7L6907441B
	Component: J772__Rearview       0033
	Revision: 00H13000	Serial Number:    PA8 J840916
	Coding: 0000001
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 342B8FD30D5C7F6D0D1A6B-8061

No fault codes found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect.	Labels: 7L6-959-107.clb
	Part No SW: 7L6 959 107 B	HW: 7L6959107B
	Component: J605  HECKKLAPPE     1310
	Revision: --H05---	Serial Number: --------034243
	Coding: 0122110
	Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
	VCID: 3A37A1EB2F388D1DD756D5-806F

No fault codes found.

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Address 76: Park Assist	Labels: None
	Part No SW: 7L0 919 283 F	
	Component: 0D Einparkhilfe      1107
	Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
	VCID: 3935BEE72A3E8605DE2C22-806C

No fault codes found.

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Address 77: Failed to respond

Larry Manton · Jan 1, 2019

KIMIMIKE, loss of intermittent power.

Read a case study one time and noted you pulling a trailer in sand. Just a thought here, and off the cuff for 2019, but sometimes noise transmitted through a trailer hitch will cause knock sensors to intervene, anyway, just a thought as can really kick your butt.

LARIMORE

Lgibson · Jan 2, 2019

The 7L6 hitch receiver is annoyingly noisy...oversized.. even with a clamp on it.

kiwimike · Jan 2, 2019

Thanks for the replies guys. In my case it’s ESP kicking in and reducing wheelspin by reducing engine power after it gives up dancing with the brakes for electronic differential control. On a straight face with all wheels spinning equally, it’s normally ok, but go up something obliquely, or in a curve and it thinks itself to death, perhaps the yaw sensor vs wheels speed vs ground speed and steering angle all come into play. It happens without pulling anything too. ESP off seems to just have a longer time delay before intervention, but it reduces the yaw sensor sensitivity.

On the RNS510 issue, it might just be the hard drive spindle seizing up in the cold? Once things are warmed up the Media page and GPS maps all come back. I’m still testing that theory before buying, cloning and installing a new 2.5” IDE drive.

kiwimike · Jan 2, 2019

Mines just a manually removable Westfalia, it’s been sublime. https://goo.gl/images/L5d6Rg
Didn’t feel like being lazy and installing the more expensive electrically retractable one.

Uwe · Jan 2, 2019

I'm skeptical that it's the hitch that's causing the behavior in question.

For laughs, you could take a look at Adaptation Channel 90 in the ABS. I would suppose that the value there is a 1. If so, try changing it to 0. That should turn ESP off. However, I would also guess that this setting will not survive an ignition cycle. I'm also not sure whether this will kill the power reduction.

I'm not aware of any other way to accomplish what you're looking to do.

-Uwe-

kiwimike · Jan 3, 2019

Thanks Uwe, I'll investigate that and see how I get on.

I can now confirm the HD in my RNS510 is packing in and why the Media page is waiting on System Starting... and Navigation maps are timing out and not loading.
Here's when it warmed up and running properly.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/A3rqnQXtsiqCQeBw5
Here's when it is cold and not working.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uy67td8NkSaYtjL1A

Uwe · Jan 3, 2019

kiwimike said:
I can now confirm the HD in my RNS510 is packing in and why the Media page is waiting on System Starting... and Navigation maps are timing out and not loading.

I think I've heard of people replacing then with SSDs...?

-Uwe-

golfi_vend · Jan 3, 2019

Uwe said:
I think I've heard of people replacing then with SSDs...?

-Uwe-

There are guides for it on web.

kiwimike · Jan 3, 2019

Yes. Impressive build quality in the RNS510, love the precision in the metalwork. I think anything will be faster than the 30GB 4200 Hitachi that’s currenty in it.
SSD should be quite vibration resilient, China has a few IDE SSD options. Will probably need IDE to SATA converter as well to format in FAT32 and clone.

golfi_vend · Jan 3, 2019

kiwimike said:
Yes. Impressive build quality in the RNS510, love the precision in the metalwork. I think anything will be faster than the 30GB 4200 Hitachi that’s currenty in it.
SSD should be quite vibration resilient, China has a few IDE SSD options. Will probably need IDE to SATA converter as well to format in FAT32 and clone.

Can You fit a adapter in there? I know people used SSD-s there with old PATA connector. No need for anything more then 40GB. Or do You store music on RNS-HDD? I found that rather annoying how slow copying was.

darkchina811 · Jan 3, 2019

https://www.amazon.com/44pin-Converter-Adapter-Computer-Accessries/dp/B06XC36V63/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1546559347&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ide+to+m.2&dpPl=1&dpID=418IzsdfKyL&ref=plSrch

that's what you need. then scroll down the page and check out the stupid cheap 128GB M.2 SSD.

kiwimike · Jan 3, 2019

Nice option. I was previously just considering this method. Only need the converter for formatting and cloning via SATA on my computer.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077JNTSYH/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_PGTlCbN0VVEAT

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008RVN97A/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_2JTlCbC5VMHBR

darkchina811 · Jan 4, 2019

the first link shows the opposite of what you need. that is to use an old IDE hard drive on a SATA host. you want to use a SATA drive on a IDE host (RNS510).

the second is a boxed solution of the same thing I linked, except that you will get 32 GB instead of 128 GB for the same money. your choice

kiwimike · Jan 16, 2019

darkchina811 can you please tell me how you got the M.2 to IDE converter case to work in your RNS510? I’ve bought two of them on your recommendation.

In the RNS510, the IDE hard drive has a master/slave pairing with the DVD drive, if I install an old IDE hard drive, even a completely failed one, the DVD drive works. With the converter cases installed, the DVD drive isn’t detected by the RNS510’s operating system at all.
The issue will be how the jumper pins are wired within the converter, as these pins are an integral part of the RNS510’s connection.

Both converter cases do work with a computer, independent of the four jumper pins. I’ve tested them both via the IDE-SATA converter I’d also bought for cloning the drives.
Thanks

darkchina811 · Jan 16, 2019

ehm... I don't have a RNS510, never seen one for real. honestly I just assumed it would work, sorry if I mislead you, it was not intentional.

so you are saying that it does not work even if you put the jumper the way it should be? that's odd.

kiwimike · Jan 16, 2019

No problem, I have solved the issue.

All 44 IDE pins including the jumper pins plug directly into the main logic board of the RNS510, so any jumpers on the drive need to be removed first. I’m presuming from all the faults I was getting, the Hard Drive IDE controller runs both the hard drive and the DVD drive. My guess is the DVD is the slave?
I bought a secondhand 60GB platter drive tonight from a shop for 30 dhms/£6, formatted it FAT32 Masterboot and just used a 5238 Firmware CD to reinstall the partitions. It’s sitting on the battery charger now with music installing via SD, I will load maps back on tomorrow, the dealer here has a DVD I can borrow.

I will think of some project that I can use two 128GB M.2 cards for. They could make for quite quick USB external drives.

darkchina811 · Jan 16, 2019

glad you sorted it out. the hard drive is master and the DVD drive slave indeed, I can bet even without knowing the unit.

the 60 GB drive works fine if you're happy with it, I just believe going to solid state would be better in a moving car.

the M.2 drives will be amazing USB sticks

kiwimike · Jan 16, 2019

Correct, SSD would be more reliable than platter, but for the price and availability here, and for a known IDE controller, I’m not complaining.
A car is a suspended box and is designed for our squidgy mush, so the vibration will be there, but the shock loads will be far lower G than those received in a laptop being knocked around, well, depending on ones driving manners. I predict thermal stress will be the biggest issue in a car, the bearing was the failure point in mine.
The last platter lived for 10 years, maybe this new platter will live another 10? We’ll see.

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