2013 Phaeto 3D - No Start

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Hey Guys,

Was driving my Phaeton on way home when i made a stop for about 15 minutes at a store. When i returned to car and tried to start, the engine turns over but not starting.

Below it what i have don so far and the results.

1. Listened for fuel pump action when door opens. Pump runs for a few seconds.

2. Test each pump individually by bridging at relay junction. both fuel pumps were activated.

3. open fuel ling at pressure sensor (G247) and run each fuel pump individually. Fuel sprays out through opening when pump #1 is active. no fuel seen t opening when pump #2 is active.

4. Tried starting car with fuel pump #1 active (bridged). No start.

Below is current scan.

Code:
Saturday,08,December,2018,12:04:56:37723
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ3DZD8001098   License Plate: 8-12-12:04
Mileage: 119170km-74048mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 3D-VW61 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 15 16 17 19 28 2E 34 36 37 38 42 46
          47 52 55 56 62 68 6C 71 72 76

VIN: WVWZZZ3DZD8001098   Mileage: 119170km-74048miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
38-Roof Electronics -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
68-Wiper Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
71-Battery Charger -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CMV)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 03H 906 032 GL    HW: 03H 907 309 B
   Component: D1-3.6-FSI-AGEU5G   3903  
   Revision: 5KH07---    Serial number: VWX3Z0L3966034
   Coding: 0000175
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 72BD2652B8B61427981-5160

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 09L 927 760 S    HW: GS1 911 4
   Component: AG6 09L 3,6 FSI RdW 3603  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number:        4636407
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 47CBA786E3B4C18F1FF-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3D0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 614 517 AK
   Component: ESP 5.7 allrad  H35 0047  
   Coding: 0008566
   Shop #: WSC 30001 000 00000
   VCID: 6B833B369F9CC5EF5B7-51F2

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            000 -  - 

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 3D0-909-13x-05.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 909 137 F    HW: 3D0 909 137 F
   Component:    Kessy            6850  
   Revision: 00H24072    Serial number: VWX3Z0L3966034
   Coding: 0151788
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2A0DFE3250B61CE7E01-807E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: 3D0-959-759.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 759 CA
   Component: Sitzmemory D1 BF    1722  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 77AB1746D384710FAFF-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 3D0-907-048.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 048     HW: 3D0 907 048 
   Component: J127 KBT vorn       0035  
   Revision: ABH03001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7M0155020
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 63935316771C8DAFE37-8036

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3D0-907-040.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 040 M
   Component: Climatronic D1      2039  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2809043A4EBA2EF7F65-807C

1 Fault Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3D0-937-049-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 937 049 Q    HW: 3D0 937 049 Q
   Component: J519                7700  
   Revision: -4006---    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 618C0000EB2915825502770000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 3829D47A9E1ABE77665-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 M
   Component: 08 Airbag 8.4E+ H14 1155  
   Coding: 0012344
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2D07F52E61580BDF053-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 K
   Component: J527                3601  
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 47CBA786E3E4C18F1FF-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 920 886 B    HW: 3D0 920 886 B
   Component: J285 KOMBI-INST.    1521  
   Revision: KPH06V08    
   Coding: 0039501
   Shop #: WSC 27202 001 104857
   VCID: 2A0DFE3250F61CE7E01-807E

1 Fault Found:
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 119174 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.12.08
                    Time: 06:00:40


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 6N0-909-901-7L.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 3D0 920 886 B
   Component: J533  GW-K-CAN TP20 1521  
   Coding: 7FF2F7BEE3011003
   Shop #: WSC 27202 001 104857
   VCID: 70B92C5AB6AA26376E5-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 28: HVAC, Rear        Labels: 3D0-919-158.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 919 158 M
   Component: Klima-Bedienteil D1 0124  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3537DD4E8908431F7D3-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 F    HW: 5N0 035 342 F
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H18 0530  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7662638292    
   Coding: 020100
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 2A0DFE325CF61CE7E01-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 3D0-907-553-V2.clb
   Part No: 3D0 907 553 C
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3V0 1122  
   Coding: 0005521
   Shop #: WSC 28868 001 104857
   VCID: 270B070643A4218FFFF-8072

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3D0-959-760.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 760 CA
   Component: Sitzmemory D1 F     1722  
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 6FBB2F26ABD439CF77F-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels:. 3D0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 686     HW: 3D0 035 686 
   Component: RNS-MID       H03 2198  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7M0155020
   Coding: 06070002000000200000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 639353167B5C8DAFE37-8036

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859 J
   Component: SIMA V4  7769 

No fault code found.

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Address 38: Roof Electronics        Labels: 3D0-907-135.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 907 135 F
   Component: Dachmodul           0903  
   Coding: 0012335
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 26150A0244AE3887C49-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver
Cannot be reached

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3D0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 959 933 P
   Component:    HSG              8135  
   Coding: 0000040
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 3D27C56EB1689B5FB53-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3D2 959 701 L
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 6004

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3D2 959 702 L
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 6004

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3D0 959 703 K
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 6004

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 3D0 959 704 K
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 6004

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 3D0 909 610 F
   Component: 3P HDSG             2630

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7L0 907 719 A
   Component:    Neigungssensor   0020

1 Fault Found:
00316 - Bulbs for Rear Illumination 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 7Lx-035-4xx-47.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 466 D    HW: 3D0 035 466 D
   Component: R12___DSP 12 Kanal  0570  
   Revision: DBH06001    Serial number: BP225721243173
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2313131637DCCDAFA37-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.
Cannot be reached

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745)       Labels:. 5M0-907-357-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 F    HW: 7L6 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-ECU       H04 0111  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 012E00000B000200
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00023
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSPt 002016
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFSPt_VW32.rod
   VCID: 372BD7469FC4B10F6FF-8062

   Left_headlamp_power_output_stage: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB

   Right_headlamp_power_output_stage: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3D0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels:. 3D0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 686     HW: 3D0 035 686 
   Component: RNS-MID       H03 2198  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7M0155020
   Coding: 06070002000000200000
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 639353167B5C8DAFE37-8036

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859 J
   Component: SIMA V4  7769 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left
Cannot be reached

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 3Dx-955-1xx-V2.clb
   Part No: 3D2 955 120 B
   Component: Front Wiper         3501  
   Coding: 0015733
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 376832
   VCID: 211F191E2D80DFBFB1B-8074

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 3D0 907 441     HW: 3D0 907 441 
   Component: J772__Rearview      0020  
   Revision: 00H11000    Serial number: 525PA8-J231098
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 60995C1A664A96B7FE5-8034

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 185
                    Mileage: 119174 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.12.08
                    Time: 06:11:21

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                        Reverse OFF
                    Count: 3


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Address 71: Battery Charger        Labels: 3D0-915-181.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 915 181 F
   Component: Batteriemanagement  2800  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 26150A0244AE3887C49-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right
Cannot be reached

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 3D0 919 283 F
   Component: 18 Einparkhilfe     1207  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D07F52E61580BDF053-8078

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 03:25, VBatt start/end: 11.4V/11.4V. VIgn 11.2V)-----

Battery voltage was ok until after several test procedures. will have that fixed.


I had below fault code some time ago but was intermittent.

Code:
Address 01: Engine (CMV)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 03H 906 032 GL    HW: 03H 907 309 B
   Component: D1-3.6-FSI-AGEU5G   3903  
   Revision: 5KH07---    Serial number: VWX3Z0L3966034
   Coding: 0000175
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: 72BD2652B8B61427981-5160

2 Faults Found:
004506 - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247) 
               P119A - 001 - Malfunction - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 118713 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.11.04
                    Time: 07:06:56

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 635 /min
                    Load: 16.9 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 63.0°C
                    Temperature: 33.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.716 V

001089 - EVAP Emission Control Sys 
               P0441 - 001 - Incorrect Flow
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 118721 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.11.07
                    Time: 05:12:38

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 609 /min
                    Load: 22.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 92.0°C
                    Temperature: 57.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.097 V

Readiness: 0010 0001


below is output from Immobilizer MVBs

Code:
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                Address 25: Immobilizer  (3D0 909 137 F)

05:39:10 Group 022
  Yes    
  Yes    
  Yes    
  2.0  (no units) 

05:39:10 Group 023
  Yes    
  Yes    
  Yes    
  6.0  (no units) 

05:39:10 Group 024
  0.0  (no units) 
  0.0  (no units) 
  0.0  (no units) 
  0.0  (no units)

Unable to view Basic Settings on Engine Controller (01). VCDS reports "No documentation available"


Recent repair history - Kessy replaced.


Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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If all connections and terminals 15,30,31 are good & especially during X/51 .........car maybe fuel flooded from faulty N80 siphon or corrupt G28 or wiring is faulty.........

What are plug conditions mann, sump for fuel contamination, spark and compression readings?
 
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End----(Elapsed Time: 03:25, VBatt start/end: 11.4V/11.4V. VIgn 11.2V)-----

Not feeling real fuzzy about these numbers and what they might effect.

Always trying to learn here, but appears this is rated over 3.25 hours, started at 11.4, ended about the same or lower, JMO.

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Battery is currently connected to charger. Will run engine output test in morning.

@UWE - Engine Module basic settings report "no label file". Is this ok.

I did manage to activate Purge valve N80 via engine output test, and i heard the clicking sound. Will run full sequential test in the morning
 
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I did manage to activate Purge valve N80 via engine output test, and i heard the clicking sound. Will run full sequential test in the morning


Hey my Jamaican friend ......did you check that click of the N80 valve with a vacuum pump to verify it isn't sucking raw fuel maaaan?

Never bypass basic tests or important security protocols......


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@UWE - Engine Module basic settings report "no label file". Is this ok.
That means stuff hasn't been documented, but if you know relevant Group numbers, it doesn't affect function in any way.

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Hey Jack. I don't have a vacuum pump or pressure tester at hand. Will try to source today
 
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That means stuff hasn't been documented, but if you know relevant Group numbers, it doesn't affect function in any way.

-Uwe-

Thanks UWE. Will do search fro group number listing.
 
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Jack, a little nugget of truth I learned in an evap class. When the gas pump clicks off, you are done, DO NOT FILL IT TO THE RIM, in Jamaca or anywhere else, as this was something I was unaware of and can wreak major havoc.

Not saying he did, just mentioning it.

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Hey Maan did you know your firmware is out of date?

Address 01: Engine (CMV) Labels: None
Part No SW: 03H 906 032 GL HW: 03H 907 309 B
Component: D1-3.6-FSI-AGEU5G 3903 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Firmware update needed 4474 or higher!
 
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In Jamaica the highest octane fuel is 90, so i occasionally fuel to click point then add octane booster.
I realize this is a major digression, but if I were using a fuel additive, I would put it in the tank before fueling, for better mixing with the incoming fuel. If you add it to a tank that's already filled, there's little not much activity to agitate/mix it.

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Having a bit of challenge with basic settings. I select Engine (01) basic settings, enter group number and select on/off/next button. The basic setting changes to "on" but test status is "off"
 
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I realize this is a major digression, but if I were using a fuel additive, I would put it in the tank before fueling, for better mixing with the incoming fuel. If you add it to a tank that's already filled, there's little not much activity to agitate/mix it.

-Uwe-

Will consider that next time i fill up. Just need to get this car started.
 
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I realize this is a major digression, but if I were using a fuel additive, I would put it in the tank before fueling, for better mixing with the incoming fuel. If you add it to a tank that's already filled, there's little not much activity to agitate/mix it.

-Uwe-

Nope, it's really important and it depends on the additives specific gravity and where it lands first before mixed or emulsified.

I take a half to a gallon of fuel and shake an additive like I'm making two stroke fuel and then add to tank, then add fuel to tank to mix like you said.

On diesel cars even very much more important but these new gas systems we have now, are seriously suffering from high friction requirements too.

Hey OP did you verify if plugs were wet with fuel and had spark and the Kessy isn't running a anti-tampering interference you are unaware of with recent service history?

Spray fuel or flammable liquid in intake if plugs are dry and see if it fires.....
 
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I didn't know that Jack. Thanks for bringing to my attention. How do i fix this?

You could send it to me but this time I need you to follow protocol and we could look at your kessy job too if the aforementioned in above post is determined.

I'm sure you note I have not abandoned you in your threads but for immobilizer work, as you know I am "very strict"!
 
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Hey OP did you verify if plugs were wet with fuel and had spark and the Kessy isn't running a anti-tampering interference you are unaware of with recent service history?

Spray fuel or flammable liquid in intake if plugs are dry and see if it fires.....

I thought about KESSY playing tricks hence i checked MVBs


Address 25: Immobilizer (3D0 909 137 F)

05:39:10 Group 022
Yes
Yes
Yes
2.0 (no units)

05:39:10 Group 023
Yes
Yes
Yes
6.0 (no units)

05:39:10 Group 024
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)
 
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I thought about KESSY playing tricks hence i checked MVBs


Address 25: Immobilizer (3D0 909 137 F)

05:39:10 Group 022
Yes
Yes
Yes
2.0 (no units)

05:39:10 Group 023
Yes
Yes
Yes
6.0 (no units)

05:39:10 Group 024
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)
0.0 (no units)


Stack could indeed be lying................
 
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