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    IMMO versions

    hello Ross Tech:

    i have a question related to Immobilizer. I got this vehicle: 2010 audi A4 2.0T is there a way using the scanner to id the immo version on this car? whether using VCDS or other scan tool.

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    Thursday,29,November,2018,11:53:47:23194
    
    
    VIN: WAUAFAFL9AN068793   License Plate: 7ECM136
    Mileage: 144090km-89533mi   Repair Order: 41247
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: FL-AU48 (8T0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 72 77
    
    VIN: WAUAFAFL9AN068793   Mileage: 144090km-89533miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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    Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
       Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H17 0001  
       Revision: E1H17---    
       Coding: 0104010A02070160
       Shop #: WSC 22145 444 85933
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
       ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
       VCID: 79BA0A4AF883C88292-802C
    
    2 Faults Found:
    4201 - Fuel Level too Low 
              P1250 00 [096] - -
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    
    7666 - EVAP System 
              P0456 00 [096] - Very Small Leak Detected
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
    
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0AW-927-156.clb
       Part No SW: 8K1 927 155 J    HW: 0AW 927 156 H
       Component: 0AW 20TAVSUSA H05 0003  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 0000000876
       Coding: 000001
       Shop #: WSC 02149 785 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMVL381 A02017
       ROD: EV_TCMVL381.rod
       VCID: 3B36D042B23F3A92C0-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BT    HW: 8K0 907 379 BT
       Component: ESP8 front    H04 0030  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 080D10
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 0C54439EAF11CD2AB9-8058
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DF    HW: 8K0 907 064 DF
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0328  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 090100
       Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
       VCID: 77BE0C72C697DEF2E4-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H50 0070 
       Serial number: 0510000025642006    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
       Serial number: 0210000058716007    
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AM    HW: 8T1 820 043 AM
       Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H08 0180  
       Revision: A0000000    Serial number: 01030520101883
       Coding: 64002000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 7CB4135EFFB1FDAA89-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 N    HW: 8K0 907 063 N
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H29 0380  
       Revision: 09029001    Serial number: 00000000658611
       Coding: 690000B1063C00010000080000007F5F0F14520802000021000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 3A38D546B505039ADB-806E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 050510  H06 0070 
       Serial number: SWF10050055690      
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AK    HW: 8K0 941 531 AK
       Component: E1 - LDS  H08 0090 
       Serial number: 00000000002104100502
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C    HW: 8K0 907 410 C
       Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 K    HW: 8K0 959 655 K
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H41 0610  
       Serial number: 003GLD0G031U  
       Coding: 303837354230303030304A55304C384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 02135 785 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
       VCID: 45C2B6BAC4FB7C62A6-8010
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 B    HW: 8K0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0030 
       Serial number: 5810000R1000006U1R
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME53204C69E
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME53262D70C
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME2C5C3236M
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME145E3234E
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME2F5E25245
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME1259171A-
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90315JE6000JP 
       Coding: 000014
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 3D32DE5AA42B34A2FE-8068
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0010 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 950 E    HW: 8K0 920 950 E
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H20 0255  
       Revision: 00300000    Serial number: CIM31RP4A     
       Coding: 8B1209000300D705020000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 312AF26A6873C0C26A-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AB    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
       Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0117  
       Revision: GB800053    Serial number: 5300G1042682A0
       Coding: 00C303
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 014A62AA98539042DA-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 E    HW: 8K0 915 181 E
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0170 
       Serial number: 10016B7B220410      
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 H    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
       Component: TSG FA        H11 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000010590273 
       Coding: 011C03204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 45C2B6BACCFB7C62A6-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DF    HW: 8K0 907 064 DF
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0328  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0129792353    
       Coding: 0106023A007A400400B0013200000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 77BE0C72C697DEF2E4-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719     HW: 8K0 959 719 
       Component: GTO BF  H06 0050 
       Serial number: 00000000000000254379
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 A    HW: 8K0 959 591 
       Component: J245 PS037  H06 0041 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AH    HW: 8T0 035 223 
       Component: DSP STD       H07 0230  
       Revision: S2200000    
       Coding: 0203010102
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 74A43B7ED7E1B5EAC1-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 H    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
       Component: TSG BF        H11 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000010594358 
       Coding: 011C03204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 44C4ABBEC7C1456AB1-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 10000000501680
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3424FB7E9761F5EA01-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
       Component: Con3 Sirius   H06 0351  
       Revision: 00000009    Serial number: AUZ5Z6J1399786
       Coding: 05020002010185004119070000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 46C0B1B6F1FD777AAF-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 F    HW: 8T0 919 603 F
       Component: Display  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 151
                        Mileage: 133865 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2018.06.27
                        Time: 17:12:38
    
    
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    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HL        H10 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000103970772 
       Coding: 010C03204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 42C8ADA6DDD54B5A83-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HR        H10 0306  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000103970737 
       Coding: 010C03204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 42C8ADA6DDD54B5A83-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 D    HW: 8T0 862 336 D
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H39 0600  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005078111
       Coding: 0010370
       Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
       VCID: 3C34D35E7F313DAAC9-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:36, VBatt start/end: 12.0V/12.0V)-----------
    
    
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                    Address 01: Engine  (8K2 907 115 AL)
    
    12:10:05
      IDE00151   Oil fill level 63.416 mm
      IDE00152   Oil warning threshold 56.232 mm
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    We haven't really kept track of Immo "versions" since 4C, where the whole on-line challenge/response thing became necessary. This car has at least that level.

    You should be able to see the Immo Challenge code if you go to Advanced ID in 05: Acc/Start Auth. You'll also see that this code changes every time the ignition is cycled.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    We haven't really kept track of Immo "versions" since 4C, where the whole on-line challenge/response thing became necessary. This car has at least that level.

    You should be able to see the Immo Challenge code if you go to Advanced ID in 05: Acc/Start Auth. You'll also see that this code changes every time the ignition is cycled.

    -Uwe-
    oh ok then how does ODIS create/make a new key ? there is a bunch of handheal that are able to make the key amount then XTools, AVDI VVDI lonsdors... but i need to be able to id the system.

    also another questions that might be related to my post: why independant auto shop can't get ODIS loaded with all the immo features? or why is so hard to get a LSID from NASFT ? they are already changing the application process (monopolizing it)

    thanks again Mr. Uwe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    We haven't really kept track of Immo "versions" since 4C, where the whole on-line challenge/response thing became necessary. This car has at least that level.

    You should be able to see the Immo Challenge code if you go to Advanced ID in 05: Acc/Start Auth. You'll also see that this code changes every time the ignition is cycled.

    -Uwe-
    Oh... I forgot to ask you. you said since 4C. what is 4C? is it the chip / transponder in the key? no??
    I am new to VCDS but... I will master it.

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    4C is immo generation....like there was immo 1,2,3....etc

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    this is Immo 5 BCM
    HOT HOT HOT VW Touran 2005 with ACC HOT HOT HOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by victor35ma View Post
    oh ok then how does ODIS create/make a new key ?
    On current cars, it alone does not. I believe you have order a key that is somehow pre-coded to the VIN of the car. Once the key arrives, you still have to match it to the car. ODIS does that by sending the current immo challenge code to the VW/Audi corporate server. The server generates the corresponding response, which unlocks the matching function.

    Quote Originally Posted by victor35ma View Post
    there is a bunch of handheal that are able to make the key amount then XTools, AVDI VVDI lonsdors... but i need to be able to id the system.
    Don't the people who make those systems provide a reference chart?

    Quote Originally Posted by victor35ma View Post
    also another questions that might be related to my post: why independant auto shop can't get ODIS loaded with all the immo features?
    It is possible if you want to jump through all the hoops and spend the requisite amounts of money.


    Quote Originally Posted by victor35ma View Post
    or why is so hard to get a LSID from NASFT ? they are already changing the application process (monopolizing it)
    That process wasn't particularly hard in the past.

    Yes, I understand they are changing it. I gather this is due to some serious abuse that they've experienced; cars that were stolen using codes obtained with a LSID.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    When You order key, Component Security Data is pre-written to key, also known as Dealer Key.
    A Key Tool has to write this data, obtained from some module from car, into key.

    Depending on immo version, adaption is carried out different way. Immo5 procedure is to check all immobilizer related modules if immo fault is active and then correct it. Then it asks if You want to add key. Then You have to hold key next to coil for it to be read.
    I'm not familiar with Immo5 procedure with 3rd party tools, but for Immo4, key data was written manually to immobilizer module so when starting with that key, it would be recognized.
    Accessing the module would deploy series of exploits to get access.
    I am a VW Freak - Le WV Freaks OR Come visit me at my work with ODIS concerns - FORSS ODIS GeKo/FaZit access for VW/AUDI/Škoda
    The world is my oyster...

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    thank you so much. i just finished adding a new key to car thanks.

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Ft?usp=sharing

    Last edited by victor35ma; 11-30-2018 at 06:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalker View Post
    this is Immo 5 BCM
    thank you, so much. I just finished adding a new key to the car... it was actually super simple, compared to ODIS key making "enchilada" process.

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Ft?usp=sharing
    I am new to VCDS but... I will master it.

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