2010 crafter 2.5tdi won't start

mark_b · Nov 14, 2018

Hi,

After stalking the forums on and off for a while I can't find an issue I have with a 2010 2E 2.5 crafter.

Due to a valve head dropping and destroying the engine, I have fitted a replacement block and head using all the other components except for the injector that was damaged at the time.

Now the problem is it seems the injectors are not operating when trying to start, I made sure they all went back into the cylinder number they came from, programmed in the replacement one as per the code on it.

The fuel rail pressure is okay.

One in every 5 or 6 turns of the key the engine sounds like it is trying to start for a couple of seconds then nothing.

I have checked and checked again the engine timing, I know that is spot on.

I did have a code pop up once saying there was an intermittent fault with the crankshaft sensor, thats now changed and I no longer get that error.

I came to the conclusion that the injectors are not operating because after trying to start it the other day, I pulled the injectors out and they were dry.

Any help on this will be appreciated, I won't see the van until the weekend, so any suggestions of try this, or that, will not happen until Saturday, if I workout out I let you know.

Thanks,
Mark

Code:

Saturday,03,November,2018,12:41:54:00805
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(Parallels)
VCDS Version 18.9.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZB6010417   License Plate: CRAFTER
Mileage:    Repair Order: 031118-002


Chassis Type: 2E (2E - VW Crafter Panel Van (LT3 / 2006 > 2016))
Scan: 01 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 9A 9B 9C 9D 9E 9F A0 A1 A2 A3
          B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 C1
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZB6010417   
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Address 01: Engine (CEC)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 076 906 022 P    HW: 076 906 022 G
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC A020SG  9022  
   Revision: 24H37---    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1023750
   Coding: 0003032
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 71269
   VCID: 20442B3AF0C0C64AF5-5121

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 2 0 0 1 

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Address 91: LT3 Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 076 906 022 P    HW: 076 906 022 G
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC A020SG  9022  
   Revision: 24H37---    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1023750
   Coding: 0003032
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 71269
   VCID: 20442B3AF3C0C64AF5-8075

No fault code found.

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Address 93: LT3 Immo        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 843 C    HW: 906 900 590 2
   Component: IMMO          1231  1322  
   Revision: 00231000    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1023750
   Shop #: WSC 64264 001 1048576
   VCID: 2756302696EE3172B4-8073

No fault code found.

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Address 94: LT3 Airbag 
   Part No HW: 9064461442
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 3332
   ROD: CRFT_AB_3_3331.rod (*)
   VCID: 55AA4AEE340273E2D6-8001

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 95: LT3 ESP 
   Part No SW: 9069022800    HW: 0004460153
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 4101
   ROD: CRFT_ESP_3_36946.rod (*)
   VCID: 040C47AA8F183A6AF1-8051

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 96: LT3 Instruments 
   Part No SW: 9069026400    HW: 9069012000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 32 787
   ROD: CRFT_KOMBI_32_787.rod
   VCID: 040C47AA8F183A6AF1-8051

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 99: LT3 Ign. Switch 
   Part No HW: 9069005902
   Shop #: WSC 00000 288 03587
   ASAM Dataset: 67 259
   ROD: CRFT_EZS_67_259.rod
   VCID: 55AA4AEE340273E2D6-8001

No fault code found.

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Address 9A: LT3 Central Locks        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 843 C    HW: 906 900 590 2
   Component: HF-FFB        1231  1322  
   Revision: 00231000    Serial number: 12345678901234
   Shop #: WSC 52534 001 1048576
   VCID: 2756302696EE3172B4-8073

No fault code found.

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Address 9B: LT3 Driver Door 
   Part No HW: 9068204126
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 773
   ROD: CRFT_FTUHR_33_773.rod (*)
   VCID: 55AA4AEE340273E2D6-8001

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address B0: LT3 Roof Display 
   Part No SW: 9069021000    HW: 9069010900
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 21 3
   ROD: CRFT_DBE_21_3.rod (*)
   VCID: 7BFE3C56F2E6459280-802F

No fault code found.

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Address B4: LT3 Central Elec. 
   Part No SW: 9069024301    HW: 9069014600
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 1108
   ROD: CRFT_EZE_33_1107.rod (*)
   VCID: 020041B2950C345AC3-8057

No fault code found.

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Address B6: LT3 Steering Wheel 
   Part No SW: 9065402345    HW: 9065402345
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 72 257
   ROD: CRFT_SML_72_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 06085DA2B924087AEF-8053

No fault code found.

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Uwe · Nov 14, 2018

Looks like the ECU itself has no idea why this van won't start -- no fault codes at all. That means you're likely going to have to trouble-shoot this using more traditional, basic methods.

-Uwe-

mark_b · Nov 15, 2018

Hi Uwe,

I was hoping someone would say they had a similar problem and it was....
It's so annoying the way technology has moved on, it was going back to basics that confirmed to me the injectors were not letting fuel through.
I might have to get someone in to have a look at it, I've no idea why the injectors won't operate or how to electrically test/check them in operation as VCDS does not have as many functions available for the crafter as it does for a golf for example.

Uwe, were or are you the electricians forum?

HMC · Nov 15, 2018

I thought I had posted this before but:
"The fuel rail pressure is okay." What is the actual rail pressure?
Regards HMC

mark_b · Nov 16, 2018

HMC said:
I thought I had posted this before but:
"The fuel rail pressure is okay." What is the actual rail pressure?
Regards HMC

I thought I had a log of it, I'm sure it was around 33000kPa (thats if I was looking at the correct reading)
I will check and do a log of it at the weekend.

mark_b · Dec 3, 2018

Quick update.

I tested the injector wiring with Noid lights, the lights flashes only when the van attempts to start when turning over, otherwise theres no light when its turning over on all injectors.

Is this leading to a failing ECM?
Is there a "known" failure that anyone knows of?

PetrolDave · Dec 3, 2018

Sounds like some other sensor is telling the ECM that the conditions are wrong so it doesn't energise the injectors.

mark_b · Dec 3, 2018

PetrolDave said:
Sounds like some other sensor is telling the ECM that the conditions are wrong so it doesn't energise the injectors.

I have had P0321 engine speed sensor pop up, but not all the time, I can clear the code wind it over a few times without it returning. I replaced the crankshaft sensor thinking that was at fault at one point.
It didn't make a difference though.

Midmotorcare · Oct 6, 2023

Hi mark did you eventually get to the bottom of this? I’m literally having the same issue as you I rebuild my 08 crafter 2.5 BJK after I bought it with an engine problem which turned out to be exactly the same issue you have just described (cylinder 5 valve failure) I’ve rebuilt the engine taking extra care in building everything back up which I know to be fine ie timing etc the van fired up after building oil pressure almost first crack and ran okay. After turning it off to continue building the van back up I left it over night and come back to it the following day and now it will not start. I did have a cam sensor fault which I know to not be a problem after replacing with a new one and doing various checks on wiring etc. just wondered if anyone could help further or if anyone has had any similar issues with the 2.5tdi crafter engines.

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