2006 A4 3.2 hard start when cold

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Hello everyone,
I'm new to this forum and of course looking for help.
I have been a mechanic for a long time, and still want to learn and expand my knowledge.

I bought a 2006 A4, 3.2 late last winter that needed a little engine work, had 98,000 kms on the clock, dealership diagnosed injectors leaking down after a hot soak test.

I brought the car home and verified the complaint, replaced the injectors with new Hitachi units along with a new high pressure sending unit, and did a full de-carbon of the intake valves.

The engine would start great once warm and also operating temp, but not so great on first start, miss-fires and runs rough, with no codes....... sometimes.

It will go into limp mode and log a P2296-006, but it seems to have to be alot colder for this to happen. I had a very close look at the harness after removing the intake again, all the way to the ECM, no problems found. I decided to have a closer look at the HPFP, removed to inspect the cam follower, which was good, but did notice some rubber fragments at the plunger seal, so I replaced the pump, also hoping the short was internal.

I ran a test on the LPFP and the run time was high, so I replaced it with a Bosch unit, along with a new fuel filter,

Also replaced the CTS as it wasn't reading correctly.

Compression test 170 psi on all cylinders, new plugs, swapped coil packs with some known to be good,

Had the dealership look at it, they checked the software level and said I had the latest version, they suggested there was a wiring problem to the HPFP, I checked the harness from the HPFP back to the ECM, did voltage and ground checks, removed the ECM to check connections for moisture entry or other, never found any problems.

I removed the HPFP to check the cam follower, it was good, but did notice some black rubber fragments on the oil side of the plunger, decided to replace it with a new one.

Went through all the adapt procedures that I could find.

Using Ross-tech HEX+CAN 18.9.0

Spring rolled around and I couldn't conclude what was wrong.

I put 7,000 kms on it last summer and it ran great, lots of power and fuel economy was good, but winter is back and I still have the same issue.

Also just replaced the n80 valve for p2404-006, tested it with a vacuum pump and it failed.

Just finished trying a readiness test, p2404-006 came up again during the test, so it wouldn't complete, no check engine light.

Also removed the PCV hose assembly and tested it for leaks, checked all other vacuum lines and have found nothing wrong.



Sorry for the long story, but I have tried everything I can think of and still can't resolve the issue,

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Please post a full Auto-Scan so we can see the detail behind the fault codes you describe.
 
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Here is the scan

Code:
Wednesday,14,November,2018,17:54:53:34169
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: kptools

VIN: WAUDG98E46A063619   License Plate: 
Mileage: 105930km-65821mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
          67 69 75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUDG98E46A063619   Mileage: 105930km-65821miles
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Address 01: Engine (AUK)       Labels:. 06E-910-559-BKH.clb
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 559 F    HW: 8E0 907 559 A
   Component: 3.2l V6 FSI         0040  
   Revision: --H16---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01040106190F0120
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3064ECD5A3A62ACA65-8064

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0101

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E1 910 156 E    HW: 09L 927 156 B
   Component: AG6 09L 3,2 FSI USA 0040  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number:        4061076
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 295201B1807C5B02A2-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-910-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 517 E    HW: 8E0 614 517 AL
   Component: ESP8 quattro    H05 0120  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0004532
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 295201B1807C5B02A2-807C

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 26
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0500
                    Hex Value: 0x4002
                    Hex Value: 0x0025
                    Hex Value: 0x01AF
                    Hex Value: 0x0001


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 AM
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   2831  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 6CDC38A51C0E8E2A19-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8EC.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 L
   Component: int. Lastmodul  USA 0504  
   Coding: 01023
   Shop #: WSC 65536  
   VCID: 3B7ECBF929E0D992C0-4AE6

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-94.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 959 655 H    HW: 8E0 959 655 H
   Component:    Airbag 9.41  H11 3540  
   Revision: 91H1135    Serial number: 0036N000TSRU  
   Coding: 0033707
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3C7CC8E57FEEDEAAC9-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB401E44931J

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB401EBD3AC5

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352ARB400842CB0J

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362ARB40088CF0F+

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63729RB400907494G

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63829RB4009072B1E

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 Q
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0601  
   Coding: 04041
   Shop #: WSC 06335  
   VCID: 4182B9114B0CB3429A-4AE6

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 931 Q    HW: 8E0 920 931 Q
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H12 0110  
   Revision: 0110        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0023301
   Shop #: WSC 92602 999 88005
   VCID: 3668DACD42C204FA3F-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 931 Q    HW: 8E0 920 931 Q
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H12 0110  
   Revision: 0110        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0023301
   Shop #: WSC 92602 999 88005
   VCID: 3668DACD42C204FA3F-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 8E0-959-760.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzmemory R2 F     0305  
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 71E229D13B2C63C22A-4B00

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No: 8E0 959 433 BT
   Component: Komfortgerát T7B    3332  
   Coding: 11836
   Shop #: WSC 06335  
   VCID: 040C7005149E666AF1-4AE6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E1959801G
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0406  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E1959802E
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0205  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0205  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0205  

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 C    HW: 4F0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0030  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000019
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 26480A8D9162747A8F-8072

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 
   Component: AFS-Modul links H03 0020

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH03 0020

1 Fault Found:
02769 - Headlight Swivel Module; Left 
            003 - Mechanical Failure - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 84
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 035 195 H
   Component: symphony II PM6    0460   
   Coding: 01065
   Shop #: WSC 26881  
   VCID: 2C5CF8A5DC8E4E2A59-5054

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 B    HW: 8P0 862 335 B
   Component: FSE_255x BT     H18 0160  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: 00000000268269
   Coding: 0001677
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 356ADDC15FC40FE236-513C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:24)--------------------------
 
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Had the dealership look at it, they checked the software level and said I had the latest version, they suggested there was a wiring problem to the HPFP, I checked the harness from the HPFP back to the <acronym title="Engine Control Unit/Module (Addr. 01, plus 11 if dual)" style="border-width: 0px 0px 1px; border-top-style: initial; border-right-style: initial; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-left-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; border-right-color: initial; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-color: initial; border-image: initial; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; cursor: help; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);">ECM</acronym>, did voltage and ground checks, removed the <acronym title="Engine Control Unit/Module (Addr. 01, plus 11 if dual)" style="border-width: 0px 0px 1px; border-top-style: initial; border-right-style: initial; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-left-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; border-right-color: initial; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-color: initial; border-image: initial; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; cursor: help; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250);">ECM</acronym> to check connections for moisture entry or other, never found any problems.

NOPE!


VIN: WAUDG98E46A063619 Mileage: 105930km-65821miles

Vehicle Identification No. WAUDG98E46A063619
Model audi a4 qu. 3.2
A4
Date of production 26.07.2005
Year 2006
Sales type 8EC5PL
Engine Code BKH
Transmission Code HKE
Axle drive 6A
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Address 01: Engine (AUK) Labels:. 06E-910-559-BKH.clb
Part No SW: 8E0 910 559 F HW: 8E0 907 559 A
Component: 3.2l V6 FSI 0040 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Indeed a firmware update needed 0050 or higher!
Revision: --H16--- Serial number:
Coding: 01040106190F0120
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3064ECD5A3A62ACA65-8064


Tell you what.......... get verified and I will discount that listing you want for quote more with a forum discount to aid your pain.
 
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Thanks Jack for having a look at the scan, I know I specifically asked the dealership to look at the firmware level.
So what you are suggesting is that I get the firmware updated to 0050 or higher to resolve this issue?
 
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