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    Exclamation 2013 VW Golf GTi -- TOO RICH P0172

    hi guys,

    I am going crazy here, got this car and checked everything as it throws the system too rich fault

    * found cat converter completely obstructed, removed it (it is now catless, that is not an issue in our country as it was cheaper than buying a new cat)
    * had a P2237, so changed primary 02 sensor to latest part number
    * checked PCV, perfect condition
    * checked timing everything is good
    * checked for leaks on boost side, pressure tested everything all good
    * removed and checked HPFP for any symptom
    * changed injectors as it was having misfires while idle
    * compression test on all 4 cylinders all show 145 psi
    * leak down test 98% hold
    * spark plugs porcelain white and external part dark black

    so right now it continues to throw the P0172 when you are driving for a long period and lift gas pedal on a downhill, 1 big explosion comes out of the exhaust.

    measuring blocks (lambda control moves from around -8% to +9%

    https://imgur.com/a/jVNrC3X

    block 032 I have seen idle channel start at 0% and raise up to -24% at some ocasions.

    Code:
    Monday,12,November,2018,11:06:18:22246
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
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    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZDW095264   License Plate: 
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1K-VW36 (7N0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 2E 42 44 46 4C 52 55 56 77
             
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZDW095264   Mileage: 73220km-45496miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Not registered 0001
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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    Address 01: Engine (CCZ)       Labels:. 06J-907-115-CCZ.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 907 115 A    HW: 1K0 907 115 AA
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0040  
       Revision: AAH18---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 040300101C070060
       Shop #: WSC 00642 210 45725
       VCID: 2809FB468EF67527F65-807C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    000370 - Fuel Trim; Bank 1 
                   P0172 - 000 - System Too Rich
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 73220 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.04.04
                        Time: 01:24:42
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 858 /min
                        Load: 22.0 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 100.0°C
                        Temperature: 53.0°C
                        Absolute Pres.: 850.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.843 V
    
    Readiness: 0110 0001
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 058 P    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     512 3514  
       Revision: 05551213    Serial number: 00001208151501
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 270BF87A83E87A5FFFF-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152  
       Revision: 00H31001    
       Coding: 143B600D092B80FF280D06EA901D0141350D50
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7DA7FA123DF4008FF53-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 GK    HW: 5K0 907 044 GK
       Component: Climatronic   H19 1313  
       Revision: 00001004    
       Coding: 0010004002
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
       ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 7AADF10E2C5A37B7D01-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 R    HW: 1K0 937 086 R
       Component: BCM PQ35  M   111 0709  
       Revision: AC111709    
       Coding: 40180A3BE825F300408800C0340089EC4FD54088737D8D20E48400240040
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3FDB401A7778D29FA7F-806A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 06091  26  0512 
       Coding: 009F95
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 140912 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 0630AD
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 
       Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00924 - Relay for Headlamp Cleaning System (J39) 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 13
                        Mileage: 66616 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2018.04.13
                        Time: 11:08:35
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        Voltage: 12.30 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            Term 50 Off
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17) 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101001
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 226
                        Mileage: 73209 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.03.31
                        Time: 08:00:08
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 Off
                        Voltage: 12.35 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            Term 50 Off
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    
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    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| 3AA-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 919 475 L    HW: 4H0 919 475 E
       Component: PARKHILFE PLA H06 0025  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 56231203401265
       Coding: 348103
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA2C000000000 002008
       ROD: EV_EPHVA2C000000000.rod
       VCID: 44D14FF61E1EB147FAD-8010
    
    1 Fault Found:
    12658720 - Databus 
              U1121 00 [009] - Missing Message
              [Steuergerät für elektrische Park-/Handbremse-J540 - mEPB_1 - kein Signal/keine Kommunikation]
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 13
                        Mileage: 66616 km
                        Date: 2018.04.13
                        Time: 11:08:35
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 B    HW: 5C0 959 655 B
       Component: AirbagVW10    013 0613  
       Serial number: 003G5RANTBE9  
       Coding: 00003957
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01014
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
       VCID: 313F1622B1AC34EF21B-8064
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3572MSME1D5A5274ZZZ/
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3582MSME37616074ZZZS
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ---- 
       Serial number: 3512QSME74221B13ZZZM
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ---- 
       Serial number: 3522QSME66471730ZZZQ
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AF    HW: 5K0 953 549 A
       Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0080  
       Revision: --------    Serial number:  90440LIF000HS
       Coding: 189A040000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
       ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod
       VCID: 74B1DF360E3E41C78AD-8020
    
       Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 B    HW: 5K0 959 542 B  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H30 0032 
       Serial number: 0068085             
       Coding: 830000
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 5K6 920 873     HW: 5K6 920 873 
       Component: KOMBI         H05 0705  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 170E01
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
       VCID: 73B3DC2A0B3046FF937-8026
    
    1 Fault Found:
    9453074 - Fuel Level Sensor 1 
              B103E 1B [008] - Resistance Too High
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 226
    
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AB    HW: 7N0 907 530 AB
       Component: J533  Gateway H47 1633  
       Revision:   H47       Serial number: 030912F1001490
       Coding: 350000
       Shop #: WSC 12345 528 03869
       VCID: 70B9D3267AA67DE76E5-8024
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 254
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 66616 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2018.04.13
                        Time: 11:08:36
    
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H05 0705  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
       VCID: 6A8DC14E5CFA8737201-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 E    HW: 5N0 035 342 E
       Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0240  
       Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7660899436    
       Coding: 010000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 290FFE4299FC4C2FE9B-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 C    HW: 5K0 959 701 C
       Component: Tuer-SG         009 2117  
       Coding: 0004150
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 323D192EB82A0FF7581-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 74     3305  
       Revision: 00H22000    
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 372B283A5348EADF6FF-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 J    HW: 5K0 959 702 J
       Component: Tuer-SG         009 2103  
       Coding: 0004406
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3A2D310E605AF7B7901-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
       Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
       Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0148  
       Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 1442908
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 34311F36423E01C74AD-8060
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004  
       Coding: 00000022
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 B  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004  
       Coding: 00000022
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J0503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 035 190 B    HW: 5K0 035 190 B
       Component: Radio RCD510  005 0236  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number: VWZ1Z3M7282520
       Coding: 05000410040005
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 2411EF76FEDE9147DAD-8070
    
    1 Fault Found:
    03138 - Input AUX IN 
                011 - Open Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101011
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 13
                        Mileage: 66616 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2018.04.13
                        Time: 11:08:52
    
    
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    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 K    HW: 7P6 035 730 K
       Component: TELEFON       H15 3200  
       Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007663415370
       Coding: 0A00000000010100
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720
       ROD: EV_UHVNA_002.rod
       VCID: 3A2D310E6CDAF7B7901-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:08, VBatt start/end: 13.6V/13.6V)-----------

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    Sama13, cat was smoke so an ongoing issue, Is this car chipped????

    Also what his the condition of the oil.????

    Back fire?. Not sure intake or exhaust. Back fire normally timing or lean burn, take a pick.

    Also what is the condition of intake, filter, (intake runners if applicable). Noted lambda going from almost 10% lean and rich, right on the edge of out of bounds both ways.

    You stated new injectors, are any of them posting inordinate times compared to each other?

    You stated PCV is good, not sure what that means, your call.

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    hi Larry,

    I answer on order:

    1. Yes ongoing issue, this car was bought second hand by the guy I am working with trying to solve the issue, but it seems previous guy had removed stock downpipe and let it get wet with rain so it messed up.
    2. Car is reflashed, eys.
    3. New oil Motul 8100 X-Clean, it consumed 2 liters in around 5,000 kms
    4. Backfire from the exhaust when going downhill without fuel pedal pressed.
    5. Stock intake, new air filter, cleaned runners 4,000 kms ago. removed tube from intercooler to throttle to check and all is good (known to have an issue)
    6. haven't checked injector times as I don't know how can you explain so I can check it, bought latest version.
    7. blocked pcv to check if it made any difference and it didn't, checked with the normal way that we learned a while ago of checking idle when warm engine, if there is another way please explain.



    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Manton View Post
    Sama13, cat was smoke so an ongoing issue, Is this car chipped????

    Also what his the condition of the oil.????

    Back fire?. Not sure intake or exhaust. Back fire normally timing or lean burn, take a pick.

    Also what is the condition of intake, filter, (intake runners if applicable). Noted lambda going from almost 10% lean and rich, right on the edge of out of bounds both ways.

    You stated new injectors, are any of them posting inordinate times compared to each other?

    You stated PCV is good, not sure what that means, your call.

    LARIMORE

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    2013 VW Golf GTi -- TOO RICH P0172

    hi guys,

    I am going crazy here, got this car and checked everything as it throws the system too rich fault

    * found cat converter completely obstructed, removed it (it is now catless, that is not an issue in our country as it was cheaper than buying a new cat)
    * had a P2237, so changed primary 02 sensor to latest part number
    * checked PCV, perfect condition
    * checked timing everything is good
    * checked for leaks on boost side, pressure tested everything all good
    * removed and checked HPFP for any symptom
    * changed injectors as it was having misfires while idle
    * compression test on all 4 cylinders all show 145 psi
    * leak down test 98% hold
    * spark plugs porcelain white and external part dark black

    so right now it continues to throw the P0172 when you are driving for a long period and lift gas pedal on a downhill, 1 big explosion comes out of the exhaust.

    measuring blocks (lambda control moves from around -8% to +9%

    https://imgur.com/a/jVNrC3X

    block 032 I have seen idle channel start at 0% and raise up to -24% at some ocasions.







    Hey Sam........

    Do you you have legacy scans you could post & what codes you had?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Hey Sam........

    Do you you have legacy scans you could post & what codes you had?
    Sir Jack, you got me off guard, what do you mean with Legacy scan?

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    Sir Jack, you got me off guard, what do you mean with Legacy scan?
    VCDS auto-scans when you first started and all the original fault codes or was it only this one fault code?
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    Is car modified for programming?

    What specific part number for the forward OXS was installed, because didn't this require a firmware revision to be used & also I dont see an SVM code for that ECU you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Is car modified for programming?
    Yes I am trying to return it to stock.

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    Yes I am trying to return it to stock.

    Yes do that and verify the aforementioned on OXS sensor!
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