B6 Passat 2.0t Stutter

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Hello,
last night coming from work on freeway all sudden my CEL starts flashing, and when i step on throttle engine stutters. I was able to make it home by barely touching the throttle. next i did full Autoscan see below. I gave P0304 Code, and engine shaking. so so far I have tried swapping Ignition coils from 1 to 3, and same code P0304. Usually all we read about is the ignition coil going bad. in this case it is not. what could be causing this? I have looked around the connector for COP #3 all wires, and connections look good, no bend tabs. also we read about carbon build up giving a code for random misfire, yes, and i have had this code pretty much since I bought the car, but motor has never stuttered like this. this is actual stutter motor shaking, running on 3 cylinders. I recently did the sparks plugs, used OEM plugs. i did pull plug on 3 to inspect looks normal.

Code:
Monday,24,September,2018,09:06:27:43295
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWUK73C08P051382   License Plate: 
Mileage: 134460km-83549mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 3C (3C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 65 72

VIN: WVWUK73C08P051382   Mileage: 134460km-83549miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine        Labels:. 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 115 S    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: 5BH16---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0404010A18070160
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3039EE51D629C277C14-8064

2 Faults Found:
000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
               P0300 - 001 -  - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 134465 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 08:59:57

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1198 /min
                    Load: 23.1 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Temperature: 12.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.478 V

000772 - Cylinder 4 
               P0304 - 001 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 134465 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 08:59:57

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1198 /min
                    Load: 23.1 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 27.0°C
                    Temperature: 12.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.478 V

Readiness: 0110 0101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 D    HW: 3C0 614 109 D
   Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0003  
   Revision: --020---    Serial number: 00000776088981
   Coding: 0000345
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 1F1B1DEDBBB74D0F68E-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 GF    HW: 1K0 820 047 GF
   Component: Climatic PQ35   141 0909  
   Revision: 00141027    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6E8530290C9D9487938-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 01000005113356
   Coding: 10840F0340041A28470000000F000000000859435C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 71BF2B551DA38B7F8EA-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 020807 003  0205  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 00028  

2 Faults Found:
00987 - Lamp for Brake Light; Left (M9) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00111100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 111
                    Mileage: 133661 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.08.30
                    Time: 03:39:00

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 14.15 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        ON

02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 74
                    Mileage: 133581 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.08.26
                    Time: 14:31:00

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 14.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        ON


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 N    HW: 3C0 909 605 N
   Component: 17 AIRBAG VW8R  032 2522  
   Revision: 13032000    Serial number: 003B2PJWXZXL  
   Coding: 0012599
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 313FEB55DD23CB7FCEA-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0003

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 0000000003NQKC

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.000000700000000000ÿ†63

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000ÿ†6332MSME165A056AEÿ†63

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: A056AEÿ†6342MSME16731B5FLÿ†63

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 31B5FLÿ†6351HTS61CGGEOO6-ÿ†63

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: GEOO6-ÿ†6361HTS6L4I4O2579ÿ†63

   Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 4O2579ÿ†63727TS61CGS87V6Pÿ†63

   Subsystem 9 - Serial number: S87V6Pÿ†63827TS61CGS0A67/ÿ

   Subsystem 10 - Serial number: S0A67/ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 L    HW: 3C0 953 549 L
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 006 0010  
   Revision: 00006000    Serial number: 3C5953507BK   
   Coding: 0000013
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3537DF45294BE75F922-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 F    HW: 3C0 920 971 F
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0007205
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 28090631EEF98AB7194-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 E    HW: 3C0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H10 0080  
   Revision:   H10       Serial number: 1200P078310302
   Coding: F9807F070012021002
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 2313111D97DF69EF4C6-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 919 965     HW: 3C0 919 965 
   Component: Kompass         005 0003  
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 1166279TRTRJ06
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 6D873725019B6F9FAA2-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AK    HW: 3C0 959 433 AK
   Component:    IMMO         051 0383  
   Revision: 00051000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 61689 001 1048576
   VCID: 73B3215D67BFB96F7C6-8026

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
   Component:    ELV          029 0380
   3C0905861J     ELV          029 0380   

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P    HW: 1K0 959 793 L
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1131  
   Revision: 32008001    Serial number: 00000043278919
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3B23C97D0F6F312F646-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.134 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3537DF45294BE75F922-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AK    HW: 3C0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 051 0221  
   Revision: 00051000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 13910F8001862E521004141FF08A0F0E085C00
   Shop #: WSC 61689 001 1048576
   VCID: 73B3215D67BFB96F7C6-8026

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P    HW: 1K0 959 792 L
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1131  
   Revision: 32008001    Serial number: 00000634978919
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3C21CA610A6136176DC-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 J    HW: 3C0 907 801 J
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-09393 0009  
   Revision:   008       Serial number: 00000000169747
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 290F0335F5F3B3BF06A-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-161.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 161 C    HW: 1K0 035 161 C
   Component: Radio DE2       014 0019  
   Revision: 00014000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7G6288508
   Coding: 0040402
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 1F1B1DEDBBB74D0F68E-804A

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q    HW: 1K0 959 795 J
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1118  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000002365049
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3E25C0691C7D2407438-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AK    HW: 3C0 959 433 AK
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00051000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 73B3215D67BFB96F7C6-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q    HW: 1K0 959 794 J
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1118  
   Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000002374822
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3FDBBD6D1B772D0F48E-806A

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:22, VBatt start/end: 14.5V/14.5V)-----------
 
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I am confused, you have a DTC for misfire on Cylinder 4 but you swapped coils on 1 and 3 and check the wiring for 3. What have you done about Cylinder 4?
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sorry I meant swap to 4 not 3. just a type o thanks
what could I do? on another forum someone said something about a clogged injector, but how can I verify this with VCDS? is it possible? do you think it is stuttering due to carbon build up?
 
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Not everything can be diagnosed with VCDS.

Swap injectors?

Do a compression test?

Check for carbon with a borescope camera?

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Thanks, I will do compression test this afternoon.
Also I am trying to remove the plastic housing which holds the could wiring . Once removed I can unplug 1 could at a time while engine running and see if it's actually 3 that is not working. I tried to disconnect one at time with the plastic on but it is impossible, all get pulled out.
Another weird thing, I had my cable hook up w Ross tech running and under engine advanced measure blocks I select misfire 1 to 4 and misfire counter, and was not getting any misfire while engine running last night, but motor is shaking and looks and sounds like running on 3 cylinders.
 
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From where to insert the horoscope and see the valves?
Thanks
 
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Another weird thing, I had my cable hook up w Ross tech running and under engine advanced measure blocks I select misfire 1 to 4 and misfire counter, and was not getting any misfire while engine running last night, but motor is shaking and looks and sounds like running on 3 cylinders.

Please Post Mode 9 data in OBD2 mode in VCDS main screen............:thanks:


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Is car FOD modified tuned?


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Will post mode 9. And FOD is stock.
 
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Will post mode 9. And FOD is stock.

here is mode 9 data
doing compression test now.
Tuesday,25,September,2018,14:45:53:43295
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
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Dealer/Shop Name: ATANAS D

VIN: WVWUK73C08P051382 License Plate:



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Mode 9 : Calibration Identification

Type 02 - VIN : WVWUK73C08P051382 (Address E8)
Type 04 - Calibration ID : 3C0907115S 0020 (Address E8)
Type 06 - Calibration Verification Number : E018014D (Address E8)
Type 08 - In-use performance tracking :
OBD Monitoring Conditions Encountered count : 4663
Ignition cycle count : 16755
Conditions completion count / Specificied conditions encountered count
Catalyst monitor bank 1 : 2336 / 4659
Catalyst monitor bank 2 : 0 / 0
O2 Sensor monitor bank 1 : 4088 / 4663
O2 Sensor monitor bank 2 : 0 / 0
EGR-VVT monitor : 11942 / 4663
AIR monitor : 0 / 0
EVAP monitor : 1270 / 1333
Type 0A - Controller Name : ECM-Engine Control (Address E8)
 
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I think I did the comp test wrong. I'm supposed disconnect fuel pump or unplug pump. And disconnect pcv to simulate open throttle
 
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I think I fix it. I put a new coil just for heck of it from my a4 and it's running butter smooth.
I just ordered set of new aufi R8 red top coils.
 
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