Bentley Mulsanne 2011 no crank - no errors at recent failure

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Got a strange one, that I thought we'd sorted, but turns out it's intermittent and back!
Car arrived with hundreds of errors, and the two boot mounted starter mini relays jumpered (with a push switch) to allow the starter solenoid to engage and crank the car, which started it.
Check the 2 relays, both triggered by negative switching of the relay coils, and neither were being commanded. Easy, symptom found now to find to root cause.
One key fact, was that the starter button would always engage the ignition "on" and "off" when no brake pedal, and Engine off if it was running, and when brake pedal pressed it did not "cycle" to ignition off, remaining ignition on but no crank.
So brake pedal was considered not a high suspect, and again switch was at least partially functional (not sure how many wires it uses, no clearly can't say it's 100%!)
By-passing the relays as was done, always cranks the car, so starter motor was again not high on the suspect list.

Systematically cleared the various errors, none seemingly relevant but necessary anyway as ABS and various low battery and CAN short/open errors logged, and needed to see which might return or not clear etc.
Checked the parameter in the "05-Acc/Start Auth" which flicked from 0 to 1 (called status I think) when pressing the starter button (I'm pretty sure but had a hectic day, so maybe I could have been dreaming, but almost 1000% sure I'm correct)
Checked in Engine ECU and logged some parameters including G059/F0 which changed from "4" to "23" when pressing the starter button, while G148/F0 changes from "1" to "2" when pressing the brake pedal.

At this point I rechecked the earth command wires on the 2 relays and both were working correctly, so installed 2 new relays and voila a working car again!
Spent best part of 3 hours road testing and going over speed bumps/vibration road surfaces trying to provoke the fault and unable to, and engine parameters both as logged earlier "4" to "23" when starting and getting a crank via the button.
None of the errors returned except the Rear parking camera and intermittently on stopping or starting 2 errors in the "05-Acc/Start Auth" ECU, see below, but above the full scan. Most often
03285 - Sensor for Contact with Door Handle; Front Left 007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
Car never missed a beat the whole time!


So then along comes a late client, and car having sat for 2 hours ish and gone pretty "cold" and guess what .... the car is back to no crank!
Check relays, neither being commanded, both not getting the earth control signal. Car will crank and start if they are bypassed.

Removing the relays throws up 2 separate errors, one for each, so consider the wiring to the earth command wires to be good, and the lack of crank condition still gives these errors when they are removed and clears when replaced, while still not cranking
5270 - Output for Starter Relay P0615 00 [040] - Open Circuit​
5457 - Control Circuit for Starter Relay 2 P3049 00 [040] - Open Circuit​

These errors clear and no other errors (except reverse camera) are present. None!
Even the "03285 - Sensor for Contact with Door Handle; Front Left 007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent" was not occuring!
One thing not noticed during our out of character bright sunny day, that was clear at dusk, the backlight on the start button was not functioning? (does it have one!?)

With the 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) status parameter no longer changing when pressing the start button (stuck on 0)
And Engine parameter G059/F0 idle at 4 when not pressed and moving to 7 when pressing the start button, also showing 5,1 and even a 6 in the data log

So, to me this is clearly a ECU control issue, with either some input (button itself, some parameter {sensor} for plausibility or inter ECU comms) being the cause ???!! Famous last words!
Oh, intermittent, not quite, now it's back it's here. Might be heat related but tried everything to avoid bypassing the relays and nothing worked to allow the car to start from the button.

HELP!!
Sadly I'm without a wiring diagram for this model, so don't know what ECU commands these 2 relays, or how many wires the start button has (or if it's CAN/Data based) - Anyone able to supply?
Is there another Starter solenoid relay at the front like previous generation Bentleys? Is there an inhibitor relay beyond these 2 enabling ones?

What is the enabling criteria for the starter process? Which PIDs/parameters should be checked?
What is the description for and code description of the G059/F0 Paramater/PID ?

Is there a actuation for cranking? The engine ECU ROD seems to not be a perfect match? How do I scan for support?

Sorry for the long message, but trying to give as much detail as I can, and would rather avoid wading through hundreds of PID's to second guess which might be relevant to the starter!

Thanks in advance for any pointers or data etc
Richard

Already sent over to support the scans of the modules which are missing label files :-)

Engine Errors for relays in full:
Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CKBB)       Labels: None   Part No SW: 07V 906 018 F    HW: 07V 907 018 
   Component: ME17.1.1      H05 1307  
   Revision: Q4H05---    
   Coding: 0D2A0032436C00001800
   Shop #: WSC 29297 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F 001036
   ROD: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F_BY83.rod
   VCID: 3B36E164B2DE759237-806E


2 Faults Found:
5270 - Output for Starter Relay 
          P0615 00 [040] - Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 71433 km
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 13:48:02


                    Engine speed: 1232.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 18.4 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 87 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 70 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1020 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.520 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine operating condition: Idling
                    Engine operating condition-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5


5457 - Control Circuit for Starter Relay 2 
          P3049 00 [040] - Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 71433 km
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 13:46:10


                    Engine speed: 537.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 24.3 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 86 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 69 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1020 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.897 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine operating condition: Idling
                    Engine operating condition-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5


Readiness: 1110 1001

05-Acc/Start Auth Logged errors - intermittent and not returning in current "no crank" condition

Code:
Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 P    HW: 4H0 907 064 P
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H13 0096  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 059B0001000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   VCID: 3620F05081FCA8FAC8-8062


   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 B    HW: 4H0 905 852 B
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H38 0044 
   Serial number: 0210000104429012    


2 Faults Found:
03285 - Sensor for Contact with Door Handle; Front Left 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 157
                    Mileage: 71433 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 13:47:00


03285 - Sensor for Contact with Door Handle; Front Left 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    (no units): -40.0
                    Temperature: -1004.5°C
                    Raw, Index/Key Err.: 217 157 118
                    Angle: 8816.640°
                    Raw, Index/Key Err.: 236 146 110

Full Scan:

Code:
Address 01: Engine (J623-CKBB) Labels: None
Part No SW: 07V 906 018 F HW: 07V 907 018 
Component: ME17.1.1 H05 1307 
Revision: Q4H05--- 
Coding: 0D2A0032436C00001800
Shop #: WSC 29297 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F 001036
ROD: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F_BY83.rod
VCID: 3B36E164B2DE759237-806E


2 Faults Found:
5270 - Output for Starter Relay 
P0615 00 [040] - Open Circuit
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 71433 km
Date: 2018.09.24
Time: 13:48:02


Engine speed: 1232.00 /min
Normed load value: 18.4 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 87 °C
Intake air temperature: 70 °C
Ambient air pressure: 1020 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.520 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine operating condition: Idling
Engine operating condition-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5


5457 - Control Circuit for Starter Relay 2 
P3049 00 [040] - Open Circuit
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 71433 km
Date: 2018.09.24
Time: 13:46:10


Engine speed: 537.00 /min
Normed load value: 24.3 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 86 °C
Intake air temperature: 69 °C
Ambient air pressure: 1020 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.897 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine operating condition: Idling
Engine operating condition-Test_Program_Channel 87: 5


Readiness: 1110 1001



Code:
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Data version: 20180808 DS295.0
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VIN: SCBBA63Y4BC015423   License Plate: 




Chassis Type: 3Y-BY83 (4H0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 0E 10 13 15 16 17 19 28 30 34 36 3B 42
          46 47 48 52 53 56 5B 5F 62 65 6C 6D 72 81 88 89 8A 8B 8D


VIN: SCBBA63Y4BC015423   Mileage: 71449km-44396miles


01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
28-HVAC, Rear -- Status: OK 0000
30-Special Function II -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3B-Sensor Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
48-Seat, Rear, DS -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5B-Seat,Rear,PS -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
81-Gear Shift -- Status: OK 0000
88-Multicont. Seat Driver -- Status: OK 0000
89-Multicont. Seat Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
8A-Multicont. Seat Rear,DS -- Status: OK 0000
8B-Adaptive Cruise 2 -- Status: OK 0000
8D-Multicont. Seat Rear,PS -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CKBB)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 07V 906 018 F    HW: 07V 907 018 
   Component: ME17.1.1      H05 1307  
   Revision: Q4H05---    
   Coding: 0D2A0032436C00001800
   Shop #: WSC 29297 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F 001036
   ROD: EV_ECM68TMP01107V906018F_BY83.rod
   VCID: 3B36E164B2DE759237-806E


No fault code found.
Readiness: 0100 1001


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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 927 158 A    HW: 0BL 927 156 B
   Component: 0BL 67 BiTRdW H08 0003  
   Revision: --H08---    
   Coding: 001001
   Shop #: WSC 29297 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMALX51011 001012
   ROD: EV_TCMALX51011_001.rod
   VCID: 3D32EF7CACCA7BA209-8068


No fault code found.


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 3Y0-614-517.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 614 517 A    HW: 3Y0 614 517 A
   Component: ESP PREMIUM   H09 0150  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 22E1820044874100D300
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ESPPremi 004018
   ROD: EV_ESPPremi_004_BY73.rod
   VCID: 3522F75C94FAA3E2C1-8060


No fault code found.


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 P    HW: 4H0 907 064 P
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H13 0096  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 059B0001000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   VCID: 3620F05081FCA8FAC8-8062


   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 B    HW: 4H0 905 852 B
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H38 0044 
   Serial number: 0210000104429012    


No fault code found.


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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass (J521)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 760 E    HW: 4H0 959 760 E
   Component: MEM-BFS       H08 0153  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001002112600
   Coding: C028360085060301290001010101002100212323000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 3522F75C9CFAA3E2C1-8060


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 4H0-820-043.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 040 B    HW: 3Y0 907 040 B
   Component: Klima 4 Zonen H07 0030  
   Coding: 282100F680
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFront 001050
   ROD: EV_AirCondiFront_BY73.rod
   VCID: 3228CC406594B4DAE4-8066


No fault code found.


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 4H0-907-063-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 063 C    HW: 4H0 907 063 C
   Component: BCM1 2.0      H11 0083  
   Revision: 14011002    Serial number: 00000000606877
   Coding: 46CA201000369F210A81000480001B00CF9DD348B3010161800008000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 281C2E285B48CE0A4A-807C


   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3Y2 955 119     HW: 3Y2 955 119 
   Component: WWS83x 090312  H32 0040 
   Serial number:         090508102604
   Coding: 0045F7


   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 10643139            
   Coding: 025729


   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 3Y0 941 531     HW: 3Y0 941 531 
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0044 
   Serial number: 26 08 2010  00000048


   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 410     HW: 4H0 907 410 
   Component: EHL2 V07.03  H30 0020 
   Serial number: 0000001805568R05VW05


   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 705 H    HW: 4H0 907 705 C
   Component: EVLS-SG  H08 0275 
   Serial number: WA100296000000049228
   Coding: 020300


   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H02 0002 
   Serial number: AE188625000000000001


No fault code found.


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Address 0E: Media Player 1 (R41)       Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 035 110 A    HW: 4F0 035 110 
   Component: CDC-MP3-Alp   H44 0140  
   Revision: AA001001    
   VCID: 156217DCFC3A43E2E1-8040


No fault code found.


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 919 465     HW: 3Y0 919 465 
   Component: PARKHILFE ACC H02 0101  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 01431014801549
   Coding: 300901
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BY83XParkiAssis2 001001
   ROD: EV_BY83XParkiAssis2_BY83.rod
   VCID: 7EB02870E14CA0BA50-802A


No fault code found.


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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 4H0-907-561.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 561 A    HW: 3Y0 907 561 A
   Component: ACC3          H13 0120  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 2404010201
   Shop #: WSC 29655 000 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AdaptCruisContrBY83X 001004
   ROD: EV_AdaptCruisContrBY83X_BY83.rod
   VCID: 393AFB6CB8E2478225-806C


No fault code found.


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 4H0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 655 B    HW: 4H0 959 655 B
   Component: Airbag10.43   H24 0028  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003G100173K8
   Coding: 30323331303230303033554A304C34483053
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X 001014
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10BPAAU64X_BY83.rod
   VCID: 3522F75C94FAA3E2C1-8060


   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB405F6O2OUEHCD


   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB405F6O2OUC9C4


   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515JRB40556094I68IP


   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525JRB40576094IBPB0


   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3554VRB405070PNCMOTM


   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3564VRB405070PNCAHP0


No fault code found.


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 4H0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 953 568 A    HW: 4H0 953 568 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H08 0007  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90815JID0000U 
   Coding: 00003C
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00170
   VCID: 312AC34C68928FC29D-8064


   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3Y0 959 442 B    HW: 3Y0 959 442 B
   Component: E221 - MFL  H05 0003 
   Serial number: 07 10 2010  46000548


No fault code found.


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:* None-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3Y0 920 840 P    HW: 3Y0 920 840 P
   Component: Kombi         H50 0284  
   Revision: 13140038    Serial number: 658050810593019
   Coding: 3F16080117002600010000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardBY83XMMO 004033
   ROD: EV_DashBoardBY83XMMO.rod
   VCID: 43C69984CA2E0D527F-8016


   Analog_clock: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3Y0 919 527 K    HW: 3Y0 919 527 K
   Component: Bentley C F T  H05 0010 
   Serial number: 20100929000000000521


No fault code found.


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 468 C    HW: 4H0 907 468 C
   Component: J533--Gateway H07 0175  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000000027306
   Coding: 000103FF00
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewUDS 001021
   ROD: EV_GatewUDS_BY83.rod
   VCID: 312AC34C60928FC29D-8064


   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 C    HW: 8K0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125 
   Serial number: 00000000002799169085


No fault code found.


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Address 28: HVAC, Rear (E265)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 049 B    HW: 3Y0 907 049 B
   Component: Klima Fond    H07 0030  
   Coding: 0E00000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiHeck 001038
   ROD: EV_AirCondiHeck_BY73.rod
   VCID: 3B36E164B2DE759237-806E


No fault code found.


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Address 30: Special Function II (J843)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 440     HW: 3Y0 907 440 
   Component: DBMC          H06 0001  
   Revision: S0H06000    Serial number: 00000000004927
   Coding: 01000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00174
   VCID: 74A40A58D700FAEA36-8020


No fault code found.


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Address 34: Level Control (J197)       Labels:. 4G0-907-553.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 553     HW: 3Y0 907 553 
   Component: LUFE-DAEMPFER H16 1095  
   Coding: 008002
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirSuspe 003017
   ROD: EV_AirSuspe_003_BY83.rod
   VCID: 79BA3B6CF862878265-802C


No fault code found.


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 760 E    HW: 4H0 959 760 E
   Component: MEM-FS        H08 0153  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001002112554
   Coding: C028BF8085870301090001010101002100212323000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 3522F75C9CFAA3E2C1-8060


No fault code found.


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Address 3B: Sensor Elect. (J849)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 637     HW: 4H0 907 637 
   Component: SARA 6D       H02 0015  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EJ1BPA31003HX80
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SARA 006014
   ROD: EV_SARA_006.rod
   VCID: 6C9412388730222AEE-8038


No fault code found.


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 793 M    HW: 4H0 959 793 E
   Component: TSG FA        H02 0166  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000108726755 
   Coding: 011F1E207E01060006040103
   Shop #: WSC 00092 106 131806
   VCID: 43C69984C22E0D527F-8016


No fault code found.


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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 4H0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 P    HW: 4H0 907 064 P
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H13 0096  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0130785122    
   Coding: 011B1E2010797581A03007B0400000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00092 106 182497
   VCID: 3620F05081FCA8FAC8-8062


   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3Y0 959 511     HW: 3Y0 959 511 
   Component: GTO BF  H03 0070 
   Serial number: 00000000000000012630


   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 


   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 


   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 3Y0 947 811     HW: 3Y0 947 811 
   Component: Dachelektroni  H63 0025 
   Serial number: BY83X_OS_FRONT_00000
   Coding: 0F0000


No fault code found.


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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 035 456     HW: 3Y0 035 456 
   Component: Naim 3G BY    H03 0070  
   Revision: 00003001    Serial number: 78802000147706
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 73A60944D20EFDD22F-8026


1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module 
            014 - Defective
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101110
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 2608 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.06.23
                    Time: 08:09:31


             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 11.70 V
                    Voltage: 11.60 V
                    Temperature: 26.0°C
                    Temperature: 20.0°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00000100
                    Bin. Bits: 10000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000




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Address 48: Seat, Rear, DS (J876)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 860 A    HW: 4H0 959 860 A
   Component: MEM-FS-Fond   H06 0153  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001002136777
   Coding: C02896808500010D090039000039000039003B3B000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 3228CC406D94B4DAE4-8066


No fault code found.


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 792 E    HW: 4H0 959 792 E
   Component: TSG BF        H02 0166  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000108723088 
   Coding: 011F1E207E01060006040100
   Shop #: WSC 00092 106 131806
   VCID: 3A38E460B5E44C9A2C-806E


No fault code found.


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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 4H0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 801     HW: 4H0 907 801 A
   Component: EPB-4         H03 0001  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000000002572
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001015
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_BY83.rod
   VCID: 75A2375CD47AE3E201-8020


No fault code found.


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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4E0 035 061 H    HW: 4E0 035 061 
   Component: Radio U DAB   H46 0048  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 014G.0A7509387
   Coding: 010103010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 200C36083378364A02-8074


No fault code found.


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Address 5B: Seat,Rear,PS (J877)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 860 A    HW: 4H0 959 860 A
   Component: MEM-BFS-Fond  H06 0153  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001002136798
   Coding: C02896808500010D090039000039000039003B3B000000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   VCID: 3228CC406D94B4DAE4-8066


No fault code found.


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 035 670     HW: 3Y0 035 670 
   Component: H-BNT-EU      H43 0139  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 461IX0A7502518
   Coding: 010101000020F9EFE502030200000003F0000100
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00163
   VCID: 71AA034CA812CFC2DD-8024


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 R
   Component: EUR 2010  1106 


   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3Y0 035 624     HW: 3Y0 035 624 
   Component: BTHS  H50 0130 
   Serial number: P10001596481        


   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 3Y0 919 604     HW: 3Y0 919 604 
   Component: DU8 BY83 SV  H41 0021 
   Serial number: BYZ8ZDA160002L4     


   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 3Y0 907 595 F    HW: 3Y0 907 595 
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H07 0032 
   Serial number: 00000000000561      


   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 
   Component: CD-Database  1886 


No fault code found.


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 A    HW: 4H0 959 795 A
   Component: TSG HL        H04 0162  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000108732740 
   Coding: 010F1E200201064006000104
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00172
   VCID: 393AFB6CB0E2478225-806C


No fault code found.


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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3Y0-907-273.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 273     HW: 3Y0 907 273 
   Component: RDKBERU25     108 0710  
   Serial number: 10000000002316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU25 003004
   ROD: EV_RDKBERU25_BY83.rod
   VCID: 78BC3E68C3689E8A1A-802C


No fault code found.


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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 441     HW: 4H0 907 441 
   Component: SG Rueckfahrkamera  0040  
   Revision: --H03---    Serial number: 525 PA8J08D097
   Coding: 2022004
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00202
   VCID: 75A2375C1C7AE3E201-8020


1 Fault Found:
02203 - Audio / Video Input 1 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 117
                    Mileage: 71448 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.09.24
                    Time: 15:40:48


             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                        Reverse OFF
                    Count: 3




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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (----)       Labels:* Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G8 959 107 D    HW: 4G8 959 107 
   Component: HDSG-Modul    H12 0036  
   Revision: 11012001    Serial number: 272000203
   Coding: 0B0204C000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00177
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HDSGBy831 001012
   ROD: EV_HDSGAu573Nar_BY73.rod
   VCID: 3620F05089FCA8FAC8-8062


No fault code found.


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 A    HW: 4H0 959 795 A
   Component: TSG HR        H04 0162  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000108732662 
   Coding: 010F1E200201064006000104
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00163
   VCID: 393AFB6CB0E2478225-806C


No fault code found.


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Address 81: Gear Shift (J587)       Labels: 3Y0-927-731.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 927 731     HW: 3Y0 927 731 
   Component: GSM-LL        H04 0778  
   Revision: 0L0D4010    Serial number: SN100622  0059
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GSM2x3Mono 001012
   ROD: EV_GSM2x3Mono.rod
   VCID: 79BA3B6CF862878265-802C


No fault code found.


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Address 88: Multicont. Seat Driver (J873)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 182 D    HW: 4H0 907 182 D
   Component: IVB           H03 0027  
   Serial number: 00454376147401
   Coding: 314000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_IVBDriveSideFrnt 001003
   ROD: EV_IVBDriveSideFrnt.rod
   VCID: 2B16D12442BEE512A7-807E


No fault code found.


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Address 89: Multicont. Seat Pass. (J872)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 182 D    HW: 4H0 907 182 D
   Component: IVB           H03 0027  
   Serial number: 00454376150601
   Coding: 314000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_IVBPasseSideFrnt 001003
   ROD: EV_IVBDriveSideFrnt.rod
   VCID: 2B16D12442BEE512A7-807E


No fault code found.


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Address 8A: Multicont. Seat Rear,DS (J875)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 182 D    HW: 4H0 907 182 D
   Component: IVB           H03 0027  
   Serial number: 00454376231001
   Coding: 314000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_IVBDriveSideRear 001003
   ROD: EV_IVBDriveSideFrnt.rod
   VCID: 2B16D12442BEE512A7-807E


No fault code found.


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Address 8B: Adaptive Cruise 2 (J428)       Labels:| 4H0-907-561.clb
   Part No SW: 3Y0 907 541 A    HW: 3Y0 907 541 A
   Component: ACC3          H13 0120  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 2404010201
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AdaptCruisContr2BY83X 001004
   ROD: EV_AdaptCruisContr2BY83X.rod
   VCID: 373EFD548EF651F2D3-8062


No fault code found.


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Address 8D: Multicont. Seat Rear,PS (J874)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 182 D    HW: 4H0 907 182 D
   Component: IVB           H03 0027  
   Serial number: 00454376169501
   Coding: 314000
   Shop #: WSC 00083 790 00165
   ASAM Dataset: EV_IVBPasseSideRear 001003
   ROD: EV_IVBDriveSideFrnt.rod
   VCID: 2B16D12442BEE512A7-807E


No fault code found.


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Hi
Thanks for the reply, just to address your valid suggestions:
Bad Ignition switch X
It's KESSY so it's not in use, so unlikely ... but not impossible, could be throwing some inhibitor condition?

Engine ECU? Possible, but needs to know the enabling criteria and strategy to confirm it has all the inputs and is failing to actuate when it should (rather than correctly inhibiting due to missing criteria needed)

KESSY from maybe water ingress?
Possibly, but was dry all day and worked consistently for 6hours, doing 50-60 starts or more, before failing while parked (and did start when first parked there)
Where is the KESSY ECU on this vehicle?

wiring faulty from ECU to relay
The Engine ECU is reporting open circuit when each of the 2 relays are removed and it clears once each is replaced, even when in fault condition so highly unlikely, no definitely not.

wiring faulty from relay to starter.
definitely not, as this is how the car is being started, bypassing the relay control to power the output

I'm positive this is a KESSY / Engine ECU / enabling criteria sort of error, but without some of the logic, or knowing the parameters to check it's a little hard to narrow things down, so any specific pointers really appreciated

Cheers
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Time to buy a RTFB and check both controllers for water ingress because the symptoms are exactly like that............don't dismiss it!
 
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