Retrofitted park assist, now complains open or short to ground park assist sensor

downtime · Sep 24, 2018

I'm looking for assurance on my suspicion from here

I have retrofitted a 5QA 919 298C park assist module and the extra 4 side sensors. Everything was working fine until yesterday evening all of a sudden the park assist was disabled and an error was raised about faulty left side park assist sensor.
I've tried swapping the sensor with normal rear pdc sensor, no change. I've also measured the wiring, no problems there either.

I'm suspecting that the module has gone faulty, that is basically the only option coming to my mind

I have extra PLA2.0 module available but I don't want to swap that in yet as I need to recode some modules for that to work.

Here's the most recent full autoscan. Sorry that does not have the error visible but it shows all the relevant information. After that I've pasted the error I have on the park steer assist module.

Code:

Sunday,16,September,2018,11:53:42:18632
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: VSSZZZ5FZDR039344   License Plate: xxxxx
Mileage: 121308km-75377mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 19 3C 42 44 52 55 5F A5

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZDR039344   Mileage: 121308km-75377miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CJZA)       Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 016 A    HW: 04E 907 309 A
   Component: 1.2l R4 TSI   H08 5541  
   Revision: WAH08---    
   Coding: 01250032236401080000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016A 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016A.rod
   VCID: 20766ECA3B8B2B4404-8074

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: User\0CW-927-769.lbl
   Part No SW: 0CW 300 044 T    HW: 0AM 927 769 G
   Component: GSG DQ200-MQB H44 4531  
   Revision: 00044014    Serial number: CU501807075093
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 05635 003 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ200021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ200021_AU27.rod
   VCID: 49A0D36EE8F1CA0CB3-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. User\5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.lbl
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 AB    HW: 3Q0 907 379 G
   Component: ESC           H42 0723  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 60246000001255
   Coding: 20EE6A9224231175007A060441C7240456248800608224F23621F070C0A8
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 034036
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_034.rod
   VCID: 7AC27CA2FD9791946A-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 A    HW: 5F0 907 044 A
   Component: Climatronic   H02 2001  
   Revision: 00001K05    
   Coding: 000000042001000D1105005000101020
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 006146
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_006_SK37.rod
   VCID: 247E62DA2F93376460-8070

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Refrigerant Pressure And Temperature Sender: 

   Air quality sensor: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| User\5Q0-937-08X-HV1.lbl
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 Q    HW: 5Q0 937 084 Q
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H14 0106  
   Serial number: 00011308700426
   Coding: 08001946C2C102FB4BE44000401C0748000A000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 010001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_010.rod
   VCID: 46BAD852F9EF25745E-8012

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F1 955 119     HW: 5F1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS370 130318  041 0574 
   Serial number:         130326035958
   Coding: 0FC5FD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547     HW: 5Q0 955 547   Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLFS  024 0042 
   Serial number: Y13M04D06H03M24S39S2
   Coding: 03885D

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J791)       Labels:| User\5Q0-919-298.lbl
   Part No SW: 5QA 919 298 C    HW: 5QA 919 298 A
   Component: PLA 3.0 12KH07 0045  
   Serial number: 000308417617243
   Coding: 0271167851
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000 009037
   ROD: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000_009_AU37.rod
   VCID: 5096FE0A0BABFBC4F4-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-567.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 567 L    HW: 5Q0 907 567 L
   Component: ACC3          H10 0098  
   Serial number: 14051403090731
   Coding: 00011400FE030B
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBoschMQB 001024
   ROD: EV_ACCBoschMQB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 44BEC25ACFD3176440-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 R    HW: 3Q0 959 655 R
   Component: Airbag VW20   011 0186  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003NPP5V7JX%
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC000800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00104
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X.rod
   VCID: 4DA8E77E1C99D62C9F-8018

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 603 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3576U0000009B1343C08
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 002 403 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
   Serial number: 3586U000000A76243C0A
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 403 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3516R2A107300000000M
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 403 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  111 0148 
   Serial number: 3526R84A42100000000T
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 302 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  114 0149 
   Serial number: 3556V76EAD400000000I
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AN    HW: 5Q0 953 549 A
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 04041304220068
   Coding: EC00
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_013_AU37.rod
   VCID: 023204429547D95432-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| User\5G0-920-XXX-17.lbl-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5F0 920 873     HW: 5F0 920 873 
   Component: KOMBI         303 6420  
   Coding: 07E502086D8C000801897A0B4401000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 68E636EA933B13048C-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AF    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   125 1224  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000508532
   Coding: 030100F42B086400CF0006481C0B00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00104
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewLear_013_SE37.rod
   VCID: 75D86F9ED489FEEC07-8020

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 B    HW: 5F0 959 537 B
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H04 0130 
   Serial number: 000000000B1008140916
   Coding: 002000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 D    HW: 5Q0 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0192 
   Serial number: 00000000004050365332

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 B    HW: 5Q0 907 686 B
   Component: HRE_Master    H11 0071  
   Serial number: 0391786037
   Coding: 02031103
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: EV_HREntryHella_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3C4EBABAB7236FA438-8068

   Lane Change Assistant 2: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 685 B    HW: 5Q0 907 685 B
   Component: HRE_Slave  H12 0071 
   Serial number: 0390823177          
   Coding: 020311

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| User\5QX-959-X93-42.lbl
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593     HW: 5Q4 959 593 
   Component: TSG FS        007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000057243659 
   Coding: 00100320DC00020000001001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 023204429547D95432-8056

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 A    HW: 5Q0 959 811 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  005 0004 
   Serial number: 00000000000000151396
   Coding: 310000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 L    HW: 5Q0 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  119 1021  
   Coding: 13
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_008.rod
   VCID: 3D48B7BEAC3966AC0F-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592     HW: 5Q4 959 592 
   Component: TSG BFS       007 0006  
   Serial number: 0000056244561 
   Coding: 00100320DC00020000001001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 01300B4E9041C24C2B-8054

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 A    HW: 5Q0 959 812 A  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  005 0004 
   Serial number: 00000000000000131183
   Coding: 290000

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 A
   Component: LWR-ECU       005 0080  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 048A000009000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB 001110
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB.rod
   VCID: 75D86F9ED489FEEC07-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 5F0 035 846 A    HW: 5F0 035 846 
   Component: MU-S-N-ER     039 0480  
   Serial number: E1F03103130409
   Coding: 04730001FF0A000021110001000800002F01061401000100C6
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd6C3PASE 002029
   ROD: EV_MUStd6C3PASE.rod
   VCID: 267A78D259AFC5747E-8072

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 603 A    HW: 5F0 919 603 A
   Component: ABTmin_Std_Nv  H45 0022 
   Serial number: SEZ8Z9N5600CUK      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 866 C    HW: -----------
   Component:  ECE 2013  --- 0021 
   Serial number: --------------------

1 Fault Found:
7203 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 7
                    Reset counter: 142
                    Mileage: 121148 km
                    Date: 2018.09.10
                    Time: 10:52:48

                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.7 V
                    BAP-BAP_Function_ID: 10


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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 5Q0-980-653.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 980 653 G    HW: 5Q0 980 653 
   Component: MQB_MFK       H05 0060  
   Serial number: 00000039868   
   Coding: 0101010001040304000500010100000100
   Shop #: WSC 12345 124 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschAU370.rod
   VCID: 3C4EBABAB7236FA438-8068

No fault code found.

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And this is the error I currently have active.

Code:

Sunday,23,September,2018,20:10:14:18632
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: VSSZZZ5FZDR039344   License Plate: xxx-xxx



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                Address 10: Park/Steer Assist       Labels: User\5Q0-919-298.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 5QA 919 298 C    HW: 5QA 919 298 A
  Component and/or Version: PLA 3.0 12KH07 0045
           Software Coding: 0271167851
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
              ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000 009037 (SE37)
                       ROD: EV_EPHVA2CAU3700000_009_AU37.rod
                      VCID: 5096FE0A0BABFBC4F4-8004
1 Fault Found:

1080596 - Side Rear Left Parking Aid Sensor 
          B107D 14 [009] - Open or Short to Ground
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 120
                    Mileage: 121515 km
                    Date: 2018.09.23
                    Time: 20:09:46

myounus · Sep 24, 2018

I would first try recoding it without a zero WSC.
Then try swapping the left and right sensors around and see if you still have the same fault. Mine is working fine without any issues so far.

What actual error do you get on the mfd?

Dana · Sep 24, 2018

PL24 didn't help much because that #10 module isn't listed however ETKA shows the rear outer rear quantity of 2 when I search 5QA-919-298-C and choose a random chassis. The 4 inner rear bumper sensors are the same part number.

Random examples:
5Q0-919-275-C Rear outer (2)
5Q0-919-275-B Rear inner (4)

I would swap the outer sensors to see if that moves to the right side before you replace #10.

Edit, I didn't see myounus's post when I replied we have the same idea.

downtime · Sep 25, 2018

Ok, thanks for the advice. However I already tried that. Like I mentioned in my opening post, I swapped the PLA sensor with regular PDC rear sensor as they are the same, and still the same error for the same spot. So that eliminates the sensor failure in my opinion. Also like mentioned, wiring I've measured and that does not have short to ground on +12v and sensor lines and also ground is having continuity throughout the wiring in all the right places.

I would first try recoding it without a zero WSC.
Then try swapping the left and right sensors around and see if you still have the same fault. Mine is working fine without any issues so far.

What actual error do you get on the mfd?

No error on MFD. When I press PLA button, it gives park assist failure, workshop on mfd. When I press PDC button or the park pilot engages with reverse, it shows exclamation mark on the left side of the car on MIB screen.

And I'll try to recode the module with something else set as WSC etc. than zeroes. The module was brand new when I bought it so it needed parameterization before taking it into use. I could try and re-parameterize it as well.

Funny thing is that this was working flawlessly for a few weeks until now. I did a re-orientation of the sensor holders on all four corners on saturday as they were incorrectly positioned (the sensor faces were pointing down more than straight). Only sensor I disconnected was the front left one as that holder position needed some more work. Others I did not.

I'm still pretty sure that the issue is with the PLA module. This might be a software glitch of course so could be that no actual hw fault.

Dana · Sep 25, 2018

Glad to hear you already confirmed sensor compatibility. My only other suggestion would be to check Adv Measuring Value [*IDE01166*] Supply voltage for park assist sensor with various rear sensors unplugged. If the voltage would change significantly when plugging in any rear sensor that may indicate a sensor, perhaps an entirely different one, dropping the voltage to all rear sensors resulting in that fault code. If the entire rear harness can be easily disconnected via a large connector in the back I would start by doing that first.

If all of that checks out I agree. That makes it look like the module. I searched TSBs and TPIs for that DTC and didn't locate anything. I didn't locate any flash updates either and just checked this site today to make sure:

https://vag-flashinfo.de/index.php?partno=5QA+919+298+C&as=

SWL 0045 appears to be up to date.

Do let us know how this works out.

downtime · Sep 25, 2018

Thanks Dana for the suggestions. That's exactly what I'm going to try out tomorrow.

Today i measured the sensor line up to PLA module and that is fine. Also swapped out to PLA2 module to rule out module failure. That checked out as well, same problem so module has not failed.
PLA2 module does not seem to be that sensitive as it shows the graphics correctly from all the sensors for a short while until it beeps and the exclamation mark shows up.

So my only investigation line now is rear sensors. You are probably right that it is not the side rear left PLA sensor that is causing this failure, most likely it is another sensor but the PLA just reports the problem like this.
Luckily I have some cheap Chinese sensors as spare

Those are confirmed working as normal PDC sensors (but not as PLA, they are just crap) so I can do some swapping and try out various configurations.

So I'll report back when I've done the swapping exercise. Swap in, swap out, Karate Kid style

downtime · Sep 29, 2018

Little update.

Today I finally had some "quality" time with the car. I looked at measurement values for the individual park assist sensors. None of the rears show a distance. All of them display ERROR in the value field which I find a little odd. Front's show variable distances for all the sensors having something in front of them and if no object visible then reads infinite.

However, MIB display works fine and logically. I went and blocked each sensor one by one and no problems in the display.

Then I went and checked ALL the wires from the park assist module connector and no problems there either. I also swapped all the rear sensors between each other and the problem still stays at the rear left side park assist sensor.

Next step I'm going to do is to strip the wire for that individual sensor giving the error up to the connection point and see if there's a break or a short somewhere. There has to be, it's the only logical reason for the fault.

Investigation continues.

siLc · Sep 29, 2018

At first, when retrofitting PLA, did you retrofit whole new or used wiring harnesses for the front and rear bumpers? If the rear ones are used or self-made then perhaps there's a continuity issue somewhere in the harness?

downtime · Sep 30, 2018

Self made wiring to front and to back. I tried to use as few connection points as possible.

There are only 2 connection points in the rear wiring so those are easy to check. I checked yesterday the other one that is on the module side and that was fine. Today I’ll check the one close to the problematic sensor.
Although multimeter did not show any incorrect continuity in any of the wires it still could be that there is a bad connection.

downtime · Sep 30, 2018

Well I checked through the complete rear wiring. There are no issues there. Everything is as it should be.

Now this is getting really interesting. I’m starting to suspect that the problem is not with the rear sensor but the front one. I had front left PLA sensor disconnected for a while due to re attachment of the sensor holder. Problems started immediately when I reconnected the sensor.

I’m wondering why is the car saying it’s rear left?

Anyway, I’ll swap the front sensors and see if the error moves to the other side.

myounus · Sep 30, 2018

Sounds like your module is 'stuck' on an error messsge. Maybe reflashing will help??

downtime · Sep 30, 2018

Solved!

myounus, you're closer than you think

I swapped the front park assist sensors and no change. So I took one more closer look at the left side rear sensor. I put measuring value blocks visible for Oscillating time for left rear park assist sensor and same for right one. Right one showed correctly ms value, left one showed ERROR. I kept ignition on and started measuring the voltages between +12v and gnd, and +12 and sensor line. And BAM! all of a sudden the left sensor started showing ms values in the measurement field.

Put everything back together and voila, all works again.

My conclusion was as well after all this that the module was somehow stuck on error and shorting the supply and gnd and sensor line with multimeter woke it up.

myounus · Sep 30, 2018

Glad it's sorted

Retrofitted park assist, now complains open or short to ground park assist sensor

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