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    Cylinder Misfire, help needed...

    Hi guys,
    Recently I started getting Cylinder 5 misfire, which can be seen under higher load on the engine (above 3500 rpms and under load/acceleration).
    I thought, that was a failed coil, and replaced it, together with the spark plug (which looked in great shape), but that didn't solve the problem.
    I am suspecting that something might be wrong with the injector, or fuel pressure or delivery. Any ideas on how to diagnose further are welcome.
    I'm planning to try and see what are the Injectors measuring blocks, and also check the Fuel Rail values.

    Cheers, and thanks!

    P.S. I'm on US market built 2012 Audi Q5 3.2

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    Just to add to the description. When misfire count increases, eventually the cylinder get's turned off, and 'EPC' and 'check engine' lights come On.

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    scope the secondary on the coil pack and the injector on that cylinder mvbs no good for injector switch times also confirm misfire with cylinder misfire counter and carry out compression and leak dow test.

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    Thanks reet. I will run these later today and post the results.

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    Here are some of the logs that I pulled. Hopefully helps to figure the problem for someone that can make more sense than myself
    Error Log from Engine:
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    Friday,24,August,2018,19:55:14:02041
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(Parallels)
    VCDS Version 18.2.1.5 (x64)
    Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: BV
    Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345
    
    VIN: WA1WKBFP9CA....  
    Mileage: 82870   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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                    Address 01: Engine       Labels: 06E-907-559-CAL.clb
    Control Module Part Number: 8R0 907 559 G    HW: 8F0 907 559 A
      Component and/or Version: 3.2 SIMOS8.2  H08 0004
               Software Coding: 0121000A190F0A21
                Work Shop Code: WSC 12345 123 12345
                  ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM32FSI0218R0907559G 001004 (AU48)
                           ROD: EV_ECM32FSI.rod
                          VCID: 448D34EFCF9C266440-8011
    3 Faults Found:
    
    6354 - Cylinder 5 
              P0305 00 [168] - Misfire Detected
              MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 4
                        Mileage: 133042 km
                        Date: 2018.08.20
                        Time: 18:46:09
    
                        Engine speed: 3220.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 99.6 %
                        Vehicle speed: 44 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 84 C
                        Intake air temperature: 33 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 13.710 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Engine speed: actual: 3328 /min
                        MAF_ENVD: 648.19998 mg/stroke
                        Coolant temperature (unfiltered): 90.0 C
                        Engine: operating status: PL
                        T_AST_ENVD: 179.90 s
                        Vehicle speed: actual: 45 km/h
    
    6130 - Fuel/Air Mixture Cylinder 5 
              P21A0 00 [237] - Unbalanced
              MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 7
                        Mileage: 133093 km
                        Date: 2018.08.21
                        Time: 10:21:22
    
                        Engine speed: 2519.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 38.8 %
                        Vehicle speed: 116 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 96 C
                        Intake air temperature: 30 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 14.015 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Engine speed: actual: 2560 /min
                        MAF_ENVD: 359.50587 mg/stroke
                        Coolant temperature (unfiltered): 97.5 C
                        Engine: operating status: PL
                        Engine load: 59.765625 %
                        Vehicle speed: actual: 118 km/h
    
    7948 - Cylinder Disabling 
              P130A 00 [040] - -
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 5
                        Mileage: 133042 km
                        Date: 2018.08.20
                        Time: 18:46:10
    
                        Engine speed: 3062.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 86.3 %
                        Vehicle speed: 87 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 97 C
                        Intake air temperature: 28 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 14.015 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Engine speed: actual: 3488 /min
                        MAF_ENVD: 648.19998 mg/stroke
                        Coolant temperature (unfiltered): 90.0 C
                        Engine: operating status: PL
                        T_AST_ENVD: 179.90 s
                        Vehicle speed: actual: 46 km/h
    
    
    Readiness: 0000 0000

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    And here are some reading from the Fuel Pressure:
    Code:
    Friday,24,August,2018,20:11:26:02041-VCID:448D34EFCF9C266440-8011,VCDS Version: Release 18.2.1 (x64),Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
    8R0 907 559 G,ADVMB,3.2 SIMOS8.2  H08 0004,
    ,,G003,F0,G035,F0,G296,F0,G299,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,
    
    Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE00025,TIME,Loc. IDE00589,TIME,Loc. ENG100489,TIME,Loc. ENG100409,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,STAMP,Coolant temperature,STAMP,Fuel pressure,STAMP,Fuel pump: actual fuel pressure,STAMP,Fuel rail pressure: specified,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,, C,, kPa rel,, hPa,, hPa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,0.57,102,0.78,5170,0.15,7121.62,0.36,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,1.39,102,1.60,5170,0.99,7121.62,1.19,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,2.22,102,2.42,5170,1.81,7121.62,2.02,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,3.03,101,3.23,5170,2.62,7121.62,2.83,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,3.86,101,4.06,5170,3.45,7121.62,3.65,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,4.68,101,4.89,5170,4.27,7121.62,4.48,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,5.50,101,5.71,5170,5.09,7121.62,5.29,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,6.34,101,6.54,5190,5.92,7121.62,6.13,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,7.16,101,7.37,5170,6.74,7121.62,6.95,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,7.98,101,8.19,5170,7.57,7121.62,7.77,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,8.80,101,9.01,5190,8.40,7121.62,8.60,45998.7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    And finally a log from a short drive on which the load and misfire forced cylinder 5 to get shut off.
    It easier to read in spreadsheet, here is it as raw csv.
    Code:
    Friday,24,August,2018,20:26:16:02041-VCID:448D34EFCF9C266440-8011,VCDS Version: Release 18.2.1 (x64),Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
    8R0 907 559 G,ADVMB,3.2 SIMOS8.2  H08 0004,
    ,,G035,F0,G486,F0,G488,F0,G489,F0,G490,F0,G491,F0,G492,F0,G493,F0,G502,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,G000,F0,
    
    Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE00589,TIME,Loc. ENG100203,TIME,Loc. ENG103747,TIME,Loc. ENG101859,TIME,Loc. ENG103818,TIME,Loc. ENG104229,TIME,Loc. ENG101360,TIME,Loc. ENG102335,TIME,Loc. ENG100222,,,,,,,
    ,STAMP,Fuel pressure,STAMP,MFF_ADD_LAM_CYL_SEL_ADJ_H_RES[0],STAMP,MFF_ADD_LAM_CYL_SEL_ADJ_H_RES[2],STAMP,MFF_ADD_LAM_CYL_SEL_ADJ_H_RES[3],STAMP,MFF_ADD_LAM_CYL_SEL_ADJ_H_RES[4],STAMP,MFF_ADD_LAM_CYL_SEL_ADJ_H_RES[5],STAMP,Misfire detection active,STAMP,Misfires all cylinders per 1000 rpm,STAMP,Misfires cylinder 5 from engine start to engine stop,,,,,,,
    ,, kPa rel,, mg/stroke,, mg/stroke,, mg/stroke,, mg/stroke,, mg/stroke,, ,, ,, ,,,,,,,
    ,0.56,3580,0.76,-0.403,0.96,0.041,1.16,0.091,1.37,0.362,1.57,-0.141,1.77,00000000 ,0.15,0,0.36,0,,,,,,,
    ,2.41,3560,2.62,-0.402,2.83,0.041,3.04,0.092,3.25,0.362,3.46,-0.141,3.66,00000000 ,1.98,0,2.20,0,,,,,,,
    ,4.27,3560,4.47,-0.402,4.67,0.041,4.88,0.092,5.09,0.361,5.30,-0.141,5.50,00000000 ,3.86,0,4.06,0,,,,,,,
    ,6.11,3560,6.31,-0.402,6.51,0.041,6.72,0.092,6.92,0.361,7.13,-0.141,7.34,00000000 ,5.70,0,5.90,0,,,,,,,
    ,7.95,3580,8.15,-0.401,8.35,0.041,8.56,0.092,8.76,0.361,8.96,-0.141,9.16,00000000 ,7.54,0,7.74,0,,,,,,,
    ,9.78,3750,10.00,-0.401,10.21,0.041,10.41,0.092,10.62,0.361,10.82,-0.141,11.03,00000000 ,9.37,0,9.57,0,,,,,,,
    ,11.65,4420,11.86,-0.400,12.07,0.041,12.27,0.093,12.47,0.360,12.67,-0.141,12.88,00000000 ,11.24,0,11.44,0,,,,,,,
    ,13.48,4490,13.69,-0.400,13.89,0.041,14.10,0.094,14.30,0.359,14.50,-0.141,14.70,00000000 ,13.08,0,13.28,0,,,,,,,
    ,15.31,4430,15.52,-0.400,15.72,0.041,15.92,0.094,16.12,0.359,16.33,-0.141,16.53,00000000 ,14.91,0,15.11,0,,,,,,,
    ,17.13,4210,17.34,-0.400,17.54,0.042,17.75,0.095,17.95,0.359,18.15,-0.141,18.36,00000000 ,16.73,0,16.94,0,,,,,,,
    ,18.96,4950,19.16,-0.400,19.37,0.042,19.57,0.095,19.78,0.359,20.00,-0.141,20.21,00000000 ,18.56,0,18.76,0,,,,,,,
    ,20.84,5050,21.04,-0.400,21.24,0.042,21.44,0.095,21.64,0.359,21.85,-0.141,22.05,00000000 ,20.42,0,20.63,0,,,,,,,
    ,22.66,4450,22.86,-0.402,23.06,0.045,23.27,0.097,23.47,0.357,23.68,-0.141,23.88,00000000 ,22.25,0,22.46,0,,,,,,,
    ,24.50,4380,24.70,-0.402,24.91,0.045,25.11,0.097,25.31,0.357,25.52,-0.141,25.72,00000000 ,24.08,0,24.29,0,,,,,,,
    ,26.32,5410,26.53,-0.402,26.73,0.045,26.94,0.097,27.14,0.357,27.34,-0.141,27.54,00000000 ,25.92,0,26.12,0,,,,,,,
    ,28.17,7880,28.37,-0.402,28.57,0.045,28.78,0.097,29.00,0.357,29.21,-0.141,29.41,00000000 ,27.75,0,27.96,0,,,,,,,
    ,30.02,9160,30.23,-0.402,30.44,0.045,30.65,0.097,30.85,0.357,31.05,-0.141,31.26,00000000 ,29.61,0,29.82,3,,,,,,,
    ,31.86,6640,32.08,-0.402,32.27,0.045,32.47,0.097,32.67,0.357,32.88,-0.141,33.08,00000000 ,31.46,7,31.66,8,,,,,,,
    ,33.69,7060,33.89,-0.402,34.10,0.045,34.30,0.097,34.50,0.357,34.70,-0.141,34.91,00000000 ,33.28,8,33.49,8,,,,,,,
    ,35.53,7080,35.73,-0.402,35.94,0.045,36.15,0.097,36.36,0.357,36.56,-0.141,36.76,00000000 ,35.12,8,35.33,8,,,,,,,
    ,37.37,3990,37.57,-0.402,37.77,0.045,37.98,0.097,38.18,0.357,38.38,-0.141,38.59,00000000 ,36.96,8,37.17,8,,,,,,,
    ,39.20,4790,39.41,-0.402,39.62,0.045,39.82,0.097,40.02,0.357,40.22,-0.141,40.43,00000000 ,38.79,8,38.99,8,,,,,,,
    ,41.03,7520,41.24,-0.402,41.44,0.045,41.65,0.097,41.84,0.357,42.05,-0.141,42.26,00000000 ,40.63,8,40.83,8,,,,,,,
    ,42.88,4110,43.08,-0.402,43.28,0.045,43.49,0.097,43.69,0.357,43.89,-0.141,44.10,00000000 ,42.47,8,42.67,8,,,,,,,
    ,44.72,4090,44.92,-0.402,45.12,0.045,45.33,0.097,45.53,0.357,45.73,-0.141,45.93,00000000 ,44.31,0,44.51,8,,,,,,,
    ,46.54,5170,46.75,-0.402,46.95,0.045,47.16,0.097,47.37,0.357,47.57,-0.141,47.77,00000000 ,46.13,0,46.35,8,,,,,,,
    ,48.38,8310,48.59,-0.402,48.79,0.045,48.99,0.097,49.19,0.357,49.40,-0.141,49.60,00000000 ,47.98,0,48.18,8,,,,,,,
    ,50.21,7880,50.41,-0.402,50.62,0.045,50.82,0.097,51.04,0.357,51.24,-0.141,51.44,00000001 ,49.80,0,50.01,8,,,,,,,
    ,52.05,3320,52.25,-0.402,52.46,0.045,52.66,0.097,52.86,0.357,53.06,-0.141,53.27,00000000 ,51.64,0,51.85,8,,,,,,,
    ,53.87,4570,54.08,-0.402,54.28,0.045,54.48,0.097,54.69,0.357,54.89,-0.141,55.09,00000001 ,53.47,0,53.67,8,,,,,,,
    ,55.72,4740,55.92,-0.402,56.12,0.045,56.32,0.097,56.53,0.357,56.73,-0.141,56.93,00000001 ,55.30,0,55.50,8,,,,,,,
    ,57.55,4860,57.74,-0.402,57.95,0.045,58.19,0.097,58.40,0.357,58.61,-0.141,58.83,00000001 ,57.14,0,57.34,8,,,,,,,
    ,59.43,3500,59.64,-0.402,59.85,0.045,60.05,0.097,60.26,0.357,60.46,-0.141,60.66,00000000 ,59.02,0,59.23,8,,,,,,,
    ,61.27,5480,61.48,-0.402,61.70,0.045,61.89,0.097,62.09,0.357,62.30,-0.141,62.51,00000000 ,60.86,0,61.06,8,,,,,,,
    ,63.13,6550,63.33,-0.402,63.53,0.045,63.73,0.097,63.94,0.357,64.14,-0.141,64.34,00000000 ,62.73,0,62.92,8,,,,,,,
    ,64.95,6590,65.15,-0.402,65.36,0.045,65.56,0.097,65.76,0.357,65.96,-0.141,66.17,00000000 ,64.54,0,64.75,8,,,,,,,
    ,66.77,6650,66.98,-0.402,67.18,0.045,67.39,0.097,67.59,0.357,67.79,-0.141,67.99,00000000 ,66.38,0,66.57,8,,,,,,,
    ,68.60,9300,68.80,-0.402,69.01,0.045,69.21,0.097,69.41,0.357,69.62,-0.141,69.82,00000000 ,68.20,2,68.40,14,,,,,,,
    ,70.43,8380,70.63,-0.402,70.83,0.045,71.03,0.097,71.24,0.357,71.44,-0.141,71.64,00000000 ,70.02,18,70.22,26,,,,,,,
    ,72.25,6350,72.46,-0.402,72.66,0.045,72.87,0.097,73.06,0.357,73.27,-0.141,73.47,00000001 ,71.84,21,72.05,29,,,,,,,
    ,74.09,6160,74.30,-0.402,74.50,0.045,74.70,0.097,74.90,0.357,75.11,-0.141,75.31,00000001 ,73.68,21,73.89,29,,,,,,,
    ,75.92,5540,76.12,-0.402,76.32,0.045,76.53,0.097,76.73,0.357,76.93,-0.141,77.13,00000000 ,75.51,21,75.72,29,,,,,,,
    ,77.74,4330,77.95,-0.402,78.17,0.045,78.37,0.097,78.57,0.357,78.77,-0.141,78.98,00000001 ,77.34,21,77.54,29,,,,,,,
    ,79.58,3850,79.79,-0.402,79.99,0.045,80.19,0.097,80.40,0.357,80.60,-0.141,80.80,00000000 ,79.18,21,79.38,29,,,,,,,
    ,81.41,8100,81.61,-0.402,81.81,0.045,82.02,0.097,82.22,0.357,82.42,-0.141,82.63,00000000 ,81.00,21,81.21,29,,,,,,,
    ,83.23,6960,83.43,-0.402,83.64,0.045,83.84,0.097,84.05,0.357,84.25,-0.141,84.45,00000001 ,82.83,22,83.03,30,,,,,,,
    ,85.06,5630,85.26,-0.402,85.46,0.045,85.67,0.097,85.87,0.357,86.08,-0.141,86.29,00000001 ,84.65,22,84.86,30,,,,,,,
    ,86.91,5770,87.10,-0.402,87.31,0.045,87.51,0.097,87.72,0.357,87.93,-0.141,88.15,00000001 ,86.49,22,86.70,30,,,,,,,
    ,88.77,5870,88.98,-0.402,89.18,0.045,89.38,0.097,89.58,0.357,89.79,-0.141,89.99,00000001 ,88.35,22,88.56,30,,,,,,,
    ,90.60,5970,90.81,-0.402,91.00,0.045,91.21,0.097,91.41,0.357,91.62,-0.141,91.83,00000001 ,90.19,22,90.39,30,,,,,,,
    ,92.44,5560,92.65,-0.402,92.84,0.045,93.05,0.097,93.25,0.357,93.46,-0.141,93.66,00000000 ,92.04,22,92.24,30,,,,,,,
    ,94.28,4660,94.48,-0.402,94.69,0.045,94.89,0.097,95.09,0.357,95.29,-0.141,95.51,00000000 ,93.87,22,94.08,30,,,,,,,
    ,96.12,7180,96.32,-0.402,96.52,0.045,96.73,0.097,96.93,0.357,97.14,-0.141,97.35,00000000 ,95.71,0,95.92,30,,,,,,,
    ,97.96,8210,98.16,-0.402,98.37,0.045,98.57,0.097,98.77,0.357,98.98,-0.141,99.18,00000000 ,97.56,0,97.76,30,,,,,,,
    ,99.79,9010,99.99,-0.402,100.20,0.045,100.41,0.097,100.62,0.357,100.83,-0.141,101.04,00000000 ,99.38,4,99.58,35,,,,,,,
    ,101.66,7150,101.86,-0.402,102.06,0.045,102.27,0.097,102.47,0.357,102.67,-0.141,102.87,00000000 ,101.25,5,101.46,35,,,,,,,
    ,103.48,3990,103.68,-0.402,103.89,0.045,104.10,0.097,104.30,0.357,104.50,-0.141,104.70,00000001 ,103.08,5,103.28,35,,,,,,,
    ,105.31,3020,105.51,-0.402,105.71,0.045,105.92,0.097,106.12,0.357,106.32,-0.141,106.52,00000001 ,104.90,5,105.11,35,,,,,,,
    ,107.14,3190,107.34,-0.402,107.54,0.045,107.74,0.097,107.94,0.357,108.15,-0.141,108.35,00000001 ,106.73,5,106.93,35,,,,,,,
    ,108.96,3340,109.16,-0.402,109.36,0.045,109.57,0.097,109.77,0.357,109.97,-0.141,110.17,00000001 ,108.55,5,108.76,35,,,,,,,
    ,110.78,3440,110.99,-0.402,111.19,0.045,111.39,0.097,111.60,0.357,111.80,-0.141,112.00,00000000 ,110.38,5,110.58,35,,,,,,,
    ,112.61,3550,112.81,-0.402,113.02,0.045,113.22,0.097,113.42,0.357,113.62,-0.141,113.83,00000000 ,112.20,5,112.41,35,,,,,,,
    ,114.45,4420,114.66,-0.402,114.87,0.045,115.08,0.097,115.28,0.357,115.48,-0.141,115.68,00000000 ,114.03,5,114.24,35,,,,,,,
    ,116.29,7060,116.50,-0.402,116.70,0.045,116.90,0.097,117.10,0.357,117.30,-0.141,117.51,00000000 ,115.88,5,116.09,35,,,,,,,
    ,118.12,7800,118.32,-0.402,118.52,0.045,118.72,0.097,118.93,0.357,119.15,-0.141,119.35,00000000 ,117.71,5,117.91,35,,,,,,,
    ,119.98,8480,120.19,-0.402,120.39,0.045,120.59,0.097,120.80,0.357,121.00,-0.141,121.20,00000000 ,119.56,6,119.77,36,,,,,,,
    ,121.82,8460,122.04,-0.402,122.26,0.045,122.45,0.097,122.66,0.357,122.86,-0.141,123.07,00000000 ,121.41,29,121.61,59,,,,,,,
    ,123.69,3440,123.89,-0.402,124.09,0.045,124.30,0.097,124.50,0.357,124.76,-0.141,124.94,00000001 ,123.28,29,123.48,59,,,,,,,
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    Change injectors..............and filter or even HPP check for FOD grenade of fragments causing failure!
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    Jack, just the injector for cylinder 5 or all?
    Which filter, the fuel line?
    And what's HPP?
    For foreign objects damage inspection do I need to open the cylinder head?

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    Change them all if that deep & HPP is the high pressure fuel pump, or swap to isolate a condition before so, right?

    Inspect old injectors under magnifier at inlets and if you see anything change the pump, right?

    Always change the fuel filter and inspect for contamination in a fuel system, right?
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