Audi B5 S4 2001.5 - ABS module coding

rubirock · Jul 17, 2018

Hi all,

current autoscan w/ABS incorrectly coded ABS module:

Code:

Monday,16,July,2018,21:21:04:29127
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64(VMWare)
VCDS Version 18.2.1.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


Mileage: 101887   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 907 551 L
   Component: 2.7l V6/5VT     G   0001  
   Coding: 06751
   Shop #: WSC 87119  
   VCID: 3333E216E22274EFBC5-5161

4 Faults Found:
16524 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2 
            P0140 - 35-00 - No Activity
17526 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating; B1 S2 
            P1118 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
17522 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S2 
            P1114 - 35-00 - Internal Resistance too High
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1649 - 35-10 - Missing Message from ABS Controller - Intermittent
Readiness: 0010 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 927 156 DL
   Component: AG5 01V 2.7l5VT USA 1717  
   Coding: 00032
   Shop #: WSC 63351  
   VCID: 7AAD0F3285C845A73F3-5161

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 907 389 E
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      D56  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 3537DC0EEC566ADF921-5161

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            66-10 - Not Matched - Intermittent
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            35-00 -  - 

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
   Component: A4     KLIMAAUTOMAT D58  
   Coding: 00160
   Shop #: WSC 63351  
   VCID: 2D07F46E0406221FEA1-259F

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
   Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  2002  
   Coding: 00304
   Shop #: WSC 63351  
   VCID: 3A2DCF32C54885A77F3-5161

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 920 981 B
   Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D12   
   Coding: 00264
   Shop #: WSC 22172  
   VCID: 2B03FA763A122C2FF45-5161

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 951 173 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    D03  
   Coding: 00101
   Shop #: WSC 63351  
   VCID: 60995D5A0354BF77117-4AA5

2 Faults Found:
01381 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Rear Right 
            35-00 -  - 
01382 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Left 
            35-00 -  - 

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 907 357 
   Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER  D004  
   Coding: 00012
   Shop #: WSC 63351  
   VCID: 65974C4E1C76DA5FE21-5161

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 03:24, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.4V)-----------

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Address 01: DTCs cleared

The S4 has a mild stg1 tune (14psi peak) and a catback exhaust. Brakes are stock HP2s. battery connections & fuses are good, as is voltage.

The ABS & ESP lights have been coming on and every time I clear the codes the lights will return after about 10 miles of driving. I spoke to my tuner and he directed me to the ABS control module. I purchased another ABS control module out of another '01 S4 tiptronic (part #s identical, build date about a month prior to the one in my S4) hoping swapping them would solve the problem, but i haven't been able to get that one to work and neither of the modules will take coding or the workshop code.

Here are the coding & wsc from an earlier scan w/the original ABS module:

Code:

Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 907 389 E
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      D56  
   Coding: 04397
   Shop #: WSC 06435

Then about two weeks ago i was driving the home in traffic and the brakes completely locked up. Luckily I was in slow traffic and was able to pull off the road. After having the engine was off for about an hour waiting for a tow, i started it up and the brakes were free again so i drove the mile or so home and parked it in the garage where it's been ever since. I started it up last night in a bid to calibrate the steering angle sensor to see if that would allow me to set the coding/wsc, but the brakes were completely locked up again.

This is a snapshot from group005 with my foot off the brakes

Code:

                Address 03: ABS Brakes  (8D0 907 389 E)

21:43:43 Group 005
  -12.5°  Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
  0.00°/s  Rotation Rate 
  51.43 bar  Brake Pressure 
  -0.19 m/s*2  Transverse Acceleration

When I login & attempt to set the coding/wsc, I will get a message in the coding field reading "ad D56". The D56 part i recognize from the ABS module (also on both ABS module stickers) but I haven't found an explanation yet, made a little harder b/c both "ad" & "D56" are too short a term to be used in the search.

Additionally, I'm wondering if there should be something else in the component field for the ABS module instead of "allrad". Asked my tuner about the issue but he just directed me to the ross-tech coding how-to.

I know that was a lot to read through and if you've stayed with me this far, THANKS! Anyone have any idea where to start on this one?
-Could I have two bad control modules?
-I read another thread for an S8 with an ABS issue and one of the suggestions was to fix the wheel speed sensor first in order to get the coding/wsc to stick, could that work for me as well?
-is there a way to relieve the brake pressure even if I haven't sorted the module? I'd like to at least be able to move the car out of the garage.

Any help is much appreciated,
Imran

AIB Wolfgang · Jul 18, 2018

Hello
I think you have to follow these steps:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/inde...lectronics_(Bosch_5.3_ABS/EDS/ASR/ESP)#Coding

Please look at note#2 and #5

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

rubirock said:
Hi all,

Excellent first post, just about all the info we need and CODE tagged. Welcome! :thumbs:

rubirock said:
When I login & attempt to set the coding/wsc, I will get a message in the coding field reading "ad D56". The D56 part i recognize from the ABS module (also on both ABS module stickers) but I haven't found an explanation yet, made a little harder b/c both "ad" & "D56" are too short a term to be used in the search.

The "ad D56" is just spillover from what's displayed in the Component field in your screenshot. Part number "8D0 907 389 E" and Component field "ABS/ESP allrad D56" from your Auto-Scan got split into "ABS/ESP allr" followed by "ad D56". Allrad is short for AWD in German.

As for why it's displayed like that, that's an excellent question. I don't think the part number should be repeated in the Component field, and you should see your coding in the Soft Coding field instead of overflow. You're also not showing the workshop code. I wonder if that's a VCDS issue. My Phaeton with Bosch 5.7 doesn't show up like that, similar interface and VCDS release:

Code:

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3D0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 614 517 AK
   Component: ESP 5.7 allrad  H33 0047  
   Coding: 0008397
   Shop #: WSC 01065 000 00000
   VCID: EB9686C4CBD7F21C61-51A8

No fault code found.

I don't have immediate access to a Bosch 5.3 vehicle right now to check if it behaves the same way. Yours is Bosch 5.3 and uses KW1281 instead of KW2000 so it's definitely possible for it to show different behavior than mine above. I'm not sure if this is a cosmetic-only problem, or if it could affect your ability to use VCDS to code the module. That would be a question for Ross-Tech. They might need some debug info.

Whenever odd problems with ABS/ESP crop up, we like to make sure you've got the right unit installed in your car, validated by VIN/PR-code lookup in the genuine VW spare parts database. You'd be astonished how many people get the wrong secondhand controllers installed and end up with inexplicable problems. You took the VIN out of your Auto-Scan above, so I can't check that for you. Would you be willing to provide the VIN in this thread? Or, if you can't do that, you PM it to me.

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

Additional followup:

rubirock said:
-Could I have two bad control modules?

Improbable, but possible.

rubirock said:
-I read another thread for an S8 with an ABS issue and one of the suggestions was to fix the wheel speed sensor first in order to get the coding/wsc to stick, could that work for me as well?

Not seeing evidence of a wheel speed sensor in your scans or listed concerns. What brings a wheel speed sensor to mind for you?

rubirock said:
-is there a way to relieve the brake pressure even if I haven't sorted the module? I'd like to at least be able to move the car out of the garage.

That might be a thing. Some ABS/ESP units have a Basic Settings feature to run the ABS/ESP pump in Basic Settings to bleed it of air, but it's unclear if you have that feature available, or if that feature would actually release the existing line pressure you seem to have. Pop open Basic Settings and see what you see. Ultimately, you might have to (carefully! with hand and eye protection!) crack open the bleeder screw in each caliper. You observed 51 bar (740 PSI) of remaining pressure, that's to be respected.

rubirock · Jul 18, 2018

jyoung8607 said:
Excellent first post, just about all the info we need and CODE tagged. Welcome!

Thanks! glad to be here and definitely appreciative for the responses and help

jyoung8607 said:
The "ad D56" is just spillover from what's displayed in the Component field in your screenshot. Part number "8D0 907 389 E" and Component field "ABS/ESP allrad D56" from your Auto-Scan got split into "ABS/ESP allr" followed by "ad D56". Allrad is short for AWD in German.

Thank you! I was worried that the tune i'm using had a field incorrectly coded for an Allroad vs the S4 and that might cause a mismatch.

jyoung8607 said:
As for why it's displayed like that, that's an excellent question. I don't think the part number should be repeated in the Component field, and you should see your coding in the Soft Coding field instead of overflow. You're also not showing the workshop code. I wonder if that's a VCDS issue.

I luckily had the earlier scan that showed what the coding was before it became all zeros as it is now.

Code:

Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 907 389 E
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      D56  
   Coding: 04397
   Shop #: WSC 06435

there are only the 5 digits available to enter in the WSC field (i believe, not the 13 digits as in your Phaeton/Bosch 5.7), and whenever I attempt to set the coding/WSC as above after logging in, i'll get either all zeros still or the aforementioned repeated part numbers.

jyoung8607 said:
I don't have immediate access to a Bosch 5.3 vehicle right now to check if it behaves the same way. Yours is Bosch 5.3 and uses KW1281 instead of KW2000 so it's definitely possible for it to show different behavior than mine above. I'm not sure if this is a cosmetic-only problem, or if it could affect your ability to use VCDS to code the module. That would be a question for Ross-Tech. They might need some debug info.

Is there something I can do to facilitate that answer? Like figure out how to prepare the debug info and send an email to support@ross-tech? I can dig into this after work.

jyoung8607 said:
Whenever odd problems with ABS/ESP crop up, we like to make sure you've got the right unit installed in your car, validated by VIN/PR-code lookup in the genuine VW spare parts database. You'd be astonished how many people get the wrong secondhand controllers installed and end up with inexplicable problems. You took the VIN out of your Auto-Scan above, so I can't check that for you. Would you be willing to provide the VIN in this thread? Or, if you can't do that, you PM it to me.

No problem, my VIN: WAURD68D01A125434

I have no doubt that part mismatches happen all the time. I found a local guy that was parting another 2001.5 (post "facelift") S4 and if I am not mistaken myself, the ABS control module part numbers are identical (I can verify over lunch in a couple hours) except for what i believe is the manufacture date portion of the sticker, which shows that the one I purchased is less than a month older than the one that was in my car.
I can email the guy to see if he has and old scan of the car saved some where in order to pull the WSC if you think that would be helpful.

Thank you, thank you, thank you again for the help. It is very much appreciated.

rubirock · Jul 18, 2018

jyoung8607 said:
Not seeing evidence of a wheel speed sensor in your scans or listed concerns. What brings a wheel speed sensor to mind for you?

you're correct, I was conflating wheel speed sensor (from previous unsuccessful attempts to diagnose the problem) with steering angle sensor that needs to be recalibrated after setting the soft coding/WSC is set.

jyoung8607 said:
That might be a thing. Some ABS/ESP units have a Basic Settings feature to run the ABS/ESP pump in Basic Settings to bleed it of air, but it's unclear if you have that feature available, or if that feature would actually release the existing line pressure you seem to have. Pop open Basic Settings and see what you see. Ultimately, you might have to (carefully! with hand and eye protection!) crack open the bleeder screw in each caliper. You observed 51 bar (740 PSI) of remaining pressure, that's to be respected.

There are three drop down options in the basic setting for the 5.3 version, one of which is to bleed the system. In my previous attempts to address the issue i have clicked on that & I can hear what sounds like a pump working for a second or two, but the brake pedal remains stuck as it is now. If I end up having to do it manually, I will make sure to take precautionary steps as noted!

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

rubirock said:
No problem, my VIN: WAURD68D01A125434

I have no doubt that part mismatches happen all the time. I found a local guy that was parting another 2001.5 (post "facelift") S4 and if I am not mistaken myself, the ABS control module part numbers are identical (I can verify over lunch in a couple hours) except for what i believe is the manufacture date portion of the sticker, which shows that the one I purchased is less than a month older than the one that was in my car.

PartsLink24 shows 8D0 907 389 E to be legitimate for your ABS/ESP controller, post-VIN split in 2001.

I'm still really wondering how you managed to get in a hydraulically locked-up situation. Can we have you eyeball the hydraulic half of the ABS pump? Its part number won't show up in a scan, and it needs to be compatible with the controller. Not knowing the history of the car, I wonder if the a wrong/used one got in there at some point. It's happened before.

The VIN split makes this really confusing in PL24, but I think we want to see one of 8E0614111T, 8E0614111AA, 8E0614111AS, or 8E0614111AT.

I have to get back to work myself. I'll reply to the rest later tonight.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

Someone should JPPSG for FOD!

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot

rubirock · Jul 18, 2018

jyoung8607 said:
PartsLink24 shows 8D0 907 389 E to be legitimate for your ABS/ESP controller, post-VIN split in 2001.

As I understand it, Audi added ESP in the post-VIN split and consequently the parts changed for the ABS hydraulic unit. The control module that sits on top of the hydraulic unit failing in the the pre-VIN split models is a common problem, but that is less of a problem for my model b/c they moved the control module to under the rear bench and there are only solenoids attached to the hydraulic unit which rarely fail (according to module masters https://modulemaster.com/rebuilds/wp-content/plugins/WooCommerce-car-filter/include/product_filter.php?make=1&model=43&syear=345), but maybe that's the problem in my case, esp. considering the hydraulic lock up.

jyoung8607 said:
I'm still really wondering how you managed to get in a hydraulically locked-up situation. Can we have you eyeball the hydraulic half of the ABS pump? Its part number won't show up in a scan, and it needs to be compatible with the controller. Not knowing the history of the car, I wonder if the a wrong/used one got in there at some point. It's happened before.

The VIN split makes this really confusing in PL24, but I think we want to see one of 8E0614111T, 8E0614111AA, 8E0614111AS, or 8E0614111AT.

You and me both. I will reply with pics of the ABS module and both controllers shortly.

jyoung8607 said:
I have to get back to work myself. I'll reply to the rest later tonight.

much appreciated.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
Part No: 8D0 907 389 E<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NEIN!
Component: ABS/ESP allrad D56
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 3537DC0EEC566ADF921-5161

NostraJackAss Has Spoken!

"1AT"

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Code:


Vehicle Identification No. WAURD68D01A125434
Model Audi S4 qu. 2,7
A4Q
Date of production 21.02.2001
Year 2001
Sales type 8D257Z
Engine Code APB
Transmission Code FAQ
Axle drive 5A
Equipment AZ
Roof color 5B



Special editions E0A Without special action equipment
Lockable wheel bolts 1PA Standard wheel bolts
Vehicle class differentiation
units/platform components 0DY Installation differentiation for build
status of vehicle class B5 (AUDI)
-- powertrain components --
Emission standard 0GL Emission standard TLEV
Trailer hitch 1D0 without trailer towing
airbag 4UB Airbag for NAR
Aktivkohlebehälter / Ottopartikelfilter 1E4 Activated carbon canister (ORVR)
and siphoning device for fueling
Label for radio remote control 7CA Without label for radio remote control
Label for central electric 0W2 Label for central electric system
English-speaking countries
Exterior mirror setting 6XJ Exterior mirrors, auto-dimming,
power-adjustable/heated
Left exterior mirror 5SG Left exterior mirror, flat
Right exterior mirror 5RW Right exterior mirror, convex (US)
large viewing field
Alternative drive system 0K0 Without alternative drive system
Drive type 1X1 Four-wheel drive
Outside temperature display 9Y1 Outside temperature display
Equipment levels A8U Executive US equipment
Brake type in rear 1KE Disc brakes in rear
batteries J0R Battery 380 A (80 Ah)
Brake type, front 1LX Disc brakes in front
Components with special surface 6FC exterior mirror housing aluminum
Beverage holders 4M6 Beverage holders
Component part sets with
country-specific design requirements B0A build parts set without county specific documentatio
Brake systems 1AT electronic satbility programme -ESP-
Owner's manuals 0VM Information kit in American English
Heated door lock cylinder 9X6 Heated door lock cylinder left, with
microswitch
Heated washer nozzles 9T1 Heated washer nozzles in front
CD ROM/DVD/SD card 7QA Without CD/DVD for navigation
CD changer/CD player 7A1 CD changer preparation
General operating permit, alterations C00 Operating permit, initial registration
Shock absorption/suspension, chassis 1BD Suspension/shock absorption for special
sports design
Roof rails/roof load rack 3S0 Without roof rails/roof load rack
Double DIN/dual-view display 2T1 Double-sized standard (DIN)
Roof insert/convertible top 3FE Tilting and sliding glass sunroof with
sunbshade
Load-through hatch/ski bag 3X1 Load-through hatch with ski bag
Insert for the filling up of unleaded
fuel/fuel type 2G1 Insert for the filling up of unleaded
fuel
Theft protection system 9V7 Electronic immobilizer, with anti-theft
alarm system and interior monitoring
Scuff plates 7M2 Scuff plates in door apertures with "S"
emblem
Park distance control 7X0 Without park distance control
window regulator 4R3 Power windows with comfort operation
Color of dashboard/door and side trim
panel 6RA Dashboard and door trim panel
one-piece, single color
Headlight activation 8K0 Without special driving light switching
Antifreeze 1C2 Antifreeze up to -35 degree celsius
tolerance up to -40 degree C
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equipment
throttle control 0L2 accelerator pedal with electronic modul
Alternators 8GL Alternator 120 A
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Transmission shafts, rear axle 1YD Transmission shafts for rear axle,
diameter 108
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installation control only, no
requirement forecast
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weight range 10
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Tie down straps/net/pocket 6M1 Tie down straps
cruise control system 8T1 Cruise control system (CCS)
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Garage door opener VC1 Garage door opener
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compartments
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four-wheel drive
handle for hand brake lever 6PC handbrake lever grip (leather)
Rear trim panel 6V2 Rear trim panel
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Rear seats 3NZ Rear bench seat, not split, split backrest, folding
Heating and air-conditioning system 9AK Climatronic with impact pressure
control, CFC-free
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driving on the right (US design)
Customized installation FC0 Without individual installation
Instrument clusters U1D Instrument insert w/ mph speedo, clock,
tachometer, trip odometer and additional
instruments (voltage, oil temperature)
Instrument panel 4N0 Standard dashboard (Leather trimmed minor gauges
+ Ipod drawer)
Breakaway interior rearview mirror 4L6 Breakaway interior rearview mirror,
auto-dimming
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filling
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requirements
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Paint preservative/transit coating 5K5 Transportation protective film
(instead of paint preservation)
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Reading lamp 8S4 Two reading lights front, two rear
Lumbar support 7P1 Power adjustable lumbar support in front
seats
steering wheels 2ZP Leather-wrapped sports steering wheel
for airbag system with tiptronic and
S emblem
Speaker installation 8RY loudspeaker with BOSE-sound
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with check control
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base engine is T7Z
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Neo-Avus design, ET 45
Radios 8YN Radio "symphony" for USA
Tire pressure monitoring system 7K0 Without tyre pressure monitor
tire H6G Tires 225/45 ZR17 91Y
Tire suppliers V0A Tires without specification of tire
brand
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equipment tires
4SP 
5MV 
PAW all-weather package
PBS audio package Symphony for USA
PCX comfort package
WMM Alcantara/leather combination
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airbag
Gearshift knob/handle 6Q2 Gearshift knob/handle in leather
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Special labels/plates 0SS Labels in English and French
Locking mechanism for boot lid/cover
rear 4E0 Tailgate/trunk lid unlocking
from outside
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Seat belt check 9P1 Seat belt reminder, electric contact in
buckle
Center rear seat belts 3C3 Lap belt with retractor
for the center rear seat
Gearshift boot/cover 6R0 Gearshift boot for automatic
transmission
seat covers N7U Seat trim covers in Alcantara® and
pearl napa leather
Seat adjustment 3L5 Both front seats power-adjustable
seat heater 4A3 seat heating for front seats separat controlable
Safety certificate 0LM With special labels
safety certificates for California
Control number (no PR family) SA3 Directing no. for in-house assembly management
Audio-response system/voice control QH0 without voice control
Sunroof roller blind for rear/side windows 3Y0 without roller blind
Handling production and pre-production FA0 Control of standard production
Headlamp washer system 8X1 Headlamp washer system
Windshield wiper intermittent control/
light/rain sensor 8N4 Windshield wiper intermittent control
with potentiometer (four speeds)
mud flaps 6N0 without mud flaps
Door and lid locking system 4K0 Central locking w/ radio remote control
and interior controls
Type approval countries/countries with
special requirements B34 Legal requirements USA
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Partition 3CA without partition
TV reception/digital radio reception QV0 without TV/digital radio reception
Assembly parts for engine (drive bearing) 1VH Assembly part for 6-cyl. engine
Front underbody guard 1SA Without additional front underbody guard
Identification plates 1EP Special identification label (USA)
Type sign 2Z1 Type sign at rear
and "Quattro" nameplates respectively
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coating) with thick seat cover
First aid kit / warning triangle 1T3 First aid kit with warning triangle
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Telephone / telematics 9W5 Phone preparation
Windshield Glass 4GP Windshield in heat-insulating glass with
sunshield and viewing window for vehicle
identification number
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floor mats 0TD Front and rear floor mats
Decorative trims 4ZF Anodized decorative trims
Additional child seat anchors 3B2 Child seat anchors acc. to Australian
requirements
Additional dust seals 6U0 Without additional seals outside

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Nein repair kit!
8E0-614-111AT Nein E! You have ESP

PART NUMBER	DESCRIPTION	MG	SG	ILL. NO.
8E0 614 111 E	ABS unit for vehicles with electronic differential lock -edl-	6	14	614-011
8E0 614 111 AT	ABS unit For vehicles with electronic stabilisation program -ESP- to use for:	6	14	614-011
8E0 998 375	repair set Control unit for ABS for vehicles with electronic differential lock -edl- to use for:	9	27	927-000

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

Jack@European_Parts said:
NostraJackAss Has Spoken!
Part No: 8D0 907 389 E <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NEIN!
Nein repair kit!
8E0-614-111AT Nein E! You have ESP
"1AT"

I think you're looking at the wrong thing...

* The E-suffixed hydraulic+control complete assembly 8E0 614 111 E (which would indeed be wrong, current part is 8E0 614 111 AT with older superseded variants as I laid out earlier).

* The E-suffixed control unit 8D0 907 389 E (which is what's in the scan, and probably okay for his ESP car, but see below)

Normally PL24 tells you exactly which components belong, by PR code, but PL24 makes a total hash of representing which equipment is right for OP's car. I had to dig around a bit when I was looking earlier. Looks like maybe ETKA does better.

In retrospect, OP's comments about the hydraulics and electronics being physically separated in a mid-year change does illuminate the situation a bit. No "repair kit" for the 8E0 614 111 AT assembly now makes more sense, since it's now a fully separate module.

That said, PL24 makes it very unclear which of the three listed ESP control modules are definitely correct. All three are listed under 927-000-15 for the physically separated control module instead of (1) for the repair kit, PL24 grays out none of the invalid matches as it should, none of them list PR codes, and the two with VIN splits don't match his VIN characters.

I saw no compelling evidence that 8D0 907 389 E is wrong, other than no match on the VIN split, and apparently it's what his car and at least one more came with. If no match on the VIN split is meaningful here, it's possible he needs 4B0 907 389 instead of what he's got. Perhaps you could look to see what ETKA says?

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

OP states.........

I purchased another ABS control module

Yes Jason indeed you are correct but both of you ref you are showing is for the ABS pump/controller in your picture or wording not the actual ESP controller...........until now you are...

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...-module-coding&p=135146&viewfull=1#post135146

The ABS controller and ESP module are two separate modules......... :rolleyes:

FYI based on VIN break the A is the correct ESP module not the E

8D0-907-389A

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Double FOD!

Excuse me?

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jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

Jack@European_Parts said:
OP states.........

Yes Jason indeed you are correct but both of you ref you are showing the ABS pump/controller in your picture or wording not the actual ESP controller...........

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...-module-coding&p=135146&viewfull=1#post135146

The ABS controller and ESP module are two separate modules.........

I wasn't aware that they were physically separated on this model-year (or any other Bosch 5.3) so that was educational. Rest of it still stands though, whether the electronics-to-hydraulics distance is 1.5 meters or 0.0 meters. Need to make sure they're both a compatible match and correct for the car.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

X is before Y if I remember correctly....... :rolleyes:

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

Jack@European_Parts said:
X is before Y if I remember correctly.......

True, but neither "X" nor "Y" are a "1":

WAURD68D01A125434

So neither >>8D-X-400000 nor >>8D-Y-000001 match, unless my education is incomplete in the matter of interpreting mid-year VIN splits, which is certainly possible. Feel free to educate me.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

True, but neither "X" nor "Y" are a "1":

WAURD68D01A125434

So neither >>8D-X-400000 and >>8D-Y-000001 match, unless my education is incomplete in the matter of interpreting VIN splits, which I am certainly willing to discuss.

Dam I need reading glasses.............that's it, it's time........ :rolleyes:

You're okay Jason

rubirock · Jul 18, 2018

Apologies for the misnomers, here are the pics:

Both controllers (?), the one plugged in is the original and the other is the recently purchased one.

Hydraulic unit

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

Jack@European_Parts said:
Dam I need reading glasses.............that's it, it's time........

You're okay Jason

On further reflection, that X/Y may be their only way to express a mid-year split where they restarted the VIN numbers from zero. That "1" reflects the model year, so they obviously can't change that part mid-year. So you might be onto something with that X before Y.

I seriously hate all mid-year facelifts and VIN splits.

jyoung8607 · Jul 18, 2018

rubirock said:
Apologies for the misnomers, here are the pics:

Thanks! 8E0 614 111 T is definitely valid for your car.

rubirock said:
so if I'm reading the above correctly, I should be replacing the smaller ESP controller-module-thingy (technical term) instead of the ABS controller....AND FODing

I think (Jack, feel free to jump in) we've concluded that 8D0 907 389 E is valid for your car as well. But seriously, screw VIN splits. :banghead:

I'll reply to the rest of your earlier questions later tonight.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 18, 2018

Originally Posted by rubirock
Apologies for the misnomers, here are the pics:

Thanks! 8E0 614 111 T is definitely valid for your car.

Originally Posted by rubirock
so if I'm reading the above correctly, I should be replacing the smaller ESP controller-module-thingy (technical term) instead of the ABS controller....AND FODing

I think (Jack, feel free to jump in) we've concluded that 8D0 907 389 E is valid for your car as well. But seriously, screw VIN splits.

I'll reply to the rest of your earlier questions later tonight.

FUN STUFF HUH?

X = >1999
Y = >2000
01 = >2001

Everything says to me because 2.7T APB I would be looking at the 4B0-907-389 but maybe we should go check other 2001 auto-scan's on the web & because data on the Etka and the Link are kind of shitty in this quadrant.

We should be investigating the virtual further......... start finding scans guys.

Be back later........

Vehicle Identification No.	WAURD68D01A125434
Model	Audi S4 qu. 2,7 A4Q
Date of production	21.02.2001
Year	2001
Sales type	8D257Z
Engine Code	APB
Transmission Code	FAQ
Axle drive	5A
Equipment	AZ
Roof color	5B

Special editions	E0A	Without special action equipment
Lockable wheel bolts	1PA	Standard wheel bolts
Vehicle class differentiation units/platform components	0DY	Installation differentiation for build status of vehicle class B5 (AUDI) -- powertrain components --
Emission standard	0GL	Emission standard TLEV
Trailer hitch	1D0	without trailer towing
airbag	4UB	Airbag for NAR
Aktivkohlebehälter / Ottopartikelfilter	1E4	Activated carbon canister (ORVR) and siphoning device for fueling
Label for radio remote control	7CA	Without label for radio remote control
Label for central electric	0W2	Label for central electric system English-speaking countries
Exterior mirror setting	6XJ	Exterior mirrors, auto-dimming, power-adjustable/heated
Left exterior mirror	5SG	Left exterior mirror, flat
Right exterior mirror	5RW	Right exterior mirror, convex (US) large viewing field
Alternative drive system	0K0	Without alternative drive system
Drive type	1X1	Four-wheel drive
Outside temperature display	9Y1	Outside temperature display
Equipment levels	A8U	Executive US equipment
Brake type in rear	1KE	Disc brakes in rear
batteries	J0R	Battery 380 A (80 Ah)
Brake type, front	1LX	Disc brakes in front
Components with special surface	6FC	exterior mirror housing aluminum
Beverage holders	4M6	Beverage holders
Component part sets with country-specific design requirements	B0A	build parts set without county specific documentatio
*Brake systems*	*1AT*	*electronic satbility programme -ESP-*
Owner's manuals	0VM	Information kit in American English
Heated door lock cylinder	9X6	Heated door lock cylinder left, with microswitch
Heated washer nozzles	9T1	Heated washer nozzles in front
CD ROM/DVD/SD card	7QA	Without CD/DVD for navigation
CD changer/CD player	7A1	CD changer preparation
General operating permit, alterations	C00	Operating permit, initial registration
Shock absorption/suspension, chassis	1BD	Suspension/shock absorption for special sports design
Roof rails/roof load rack	3S0	Without roof rails/roof load rack
Double DIN/dual-view display	2T1	Double-sized standard (DIN)
Roof insert/convertible top	3FE	Tilting and sliding glass sunroof with sunbshade
Load-through hatch/ski bag	3X1	Load-through hatch with ski bag
Insert for the filling up of unleaded fuel/fuel type	2G1	Insert for the filling up of unleaded fuel
Theft protection system	9V7	Electronic immobilizer, with anti-theft alarm system and interior monitoring
Scuff plates	7M2	Scuff plates in door apertures with "S" emblem
Park distance control	7X0	Without park distance control
window regulator	4R3	Power windows with comfort operation
Color of dashboard/door and side trim panel	6RA	Dashboard and door trim panel one-piece, single color
Headlight activation	8K0	Without special driving light switching
Antifreeze	1C2	Antifreeze up to -35 degree celsius tolerance up to -40 degree C
Vehicle specifications	F0A	No special purpose vehicle, standard equipment
throttle control	0L2	accelerator pedal with electronic modul
Alternators	8GL	Alternator 120 A
Transmission types/gearshift mechanisms	0G7	tiptronic
Transmission shafts, rear axle	1YD	Transmission shafts for rear axle, diameter 108
Transmission shafts	1WD	Transmission shaft for tripod joints
Weight category rear axle	0YS	Weight range 17 installation control only, no requirement forecast
Weight category front axle	0JK	Weight category front axle weight range 10
Base engine	T7Z	6-cyl. petrol engine 2.7 l assembly 078.8
Tie down straps/net/pocket	6M1	Tie down straps
cruise control system	8T1	Cruise control system (CCS)
Exterior noise suppression measures	2B5	additional noise dampener
Garage door opener	VC1	Garage door opener
Luggage compartment trim	5A5	Luggage compartment trim, with storage compartments
Transmission specifications	G0Q	5-speed automatic transmission for four-wheel drive
handle for hand brake lever	6PC	handbrake lever grip (leather)
Rear trim panel	6V2	Rear trim panel
Rear spoiler	5J0	Without rear spoiler
Rear seats	3NZ	Rear bench seat, not split, split backrest, folding
Heating and air-conditioning system	9AK	Climatronic with impact pressure control, CFC-free
Headlamps	8JD	Headlight with gas discharge lamp for driving on the right (US design)
Customized installation	FC0	Without individual installation
Instrument clusters	U1D	Instrument insert w/ mph speedo, clock, tachometer, trip odometer and additional instruments (voltage, oil temperature)
Instrument panel	4N0	Standard dashboard (Leather trimmed minor gauges + Ipod drawer)
Breakaway interior rearview mirror	4L6	Breakaway interior rearview mirror, auto-dimming
Body style	K8B	Notchback
Cassette and CD storage unit	4W0	without cassette / CD tray
headrest for seat, rear	3Q1	headrest for seat, rear
Fuel quantity for initial filling	1Z5	Increase in initial standard fuel filling
Body measures	5C1	Body measures for increased safety requirements
Catalytic converter control	8KB	catalyst-control
Front license plate bracket	6W3	License plate bracket front (small, NAR)
Paint preservative/transit coating	5K5	Transportation protective film (instead of paint preservation)
Steering system arrangement	L0L	Left-hand drive
Reading lamp	8S4	Two reading lights front, two rear
Lumbar support	7P1	Power adjustable lumbar support in front seats
steering wheels	2ZP	Leather-wrapped sports steering wheel for airbag system with tiptronic and S emblem
Speaker installation	8RY	loudspeaker with BOSE-sound
Headlight range control	8Q2	Automatic-static headlight range control
Center armrest	6E3	Front center armrest
Multi-function display/trip computer	9Q2	Multi-function display/trip computer with check control
Engine cooling	8Z6	Engine cooling, version 2
Engine specifications	MH0	6-cylinder SI engine 2.7 l/187 kW (30V) base engine is T7Z
Right vanity mirror	4TD	Vanity mirror, right, illuminated
Navigation device	7Q0	without navigation system
rear fog lamp	8TE	Rear fog light for USA
Front fog lamp/additional headlamp	8WC	Front fog lamps
Rear of platform module base	4P0	Rear floor panel module, type 1
Wheels	C7R	Alloy wheels 7 1/2J x 17 Neo-Avus design, ET 45
Radios	8YN	Radio "symphony" for USA
Tire pressure monitoring system	7K0	Without tyre pressure monitor
tire	H6G	Tires 225/45 ZR17 91Y
Tire suppliers	V0A	Tires without specification of tire brand
Spare wheel/breakdown kit	1G3	Alloy spare wheel with original equipment tires
	4SP
	5MV
	PAW	all-weather package
	PBS	audio package Symphony for USA
	PCX	comfort package
	WMM	Alcantara/leather combination
Sill top/sill cover	5E2	Sill top with door cover
Side airbag	4X3	Side airbag in front, with curtain airbag
Gearshift knob/handle	6Q2	Gearshift knob/handle in leather
Self-collection / special control	A00	No self-collection
Special labels/plates	0SS	Labels in English and French
Locking mechanism for boot lid/cover rear	4E0	Tailgate/trunk lid unlocking from outside
Bumper systems	2K4	Standard bumpers
Seat belt check	9P1	Seat belt reminder, electric contact in buckle
Center rear seat belts	3C3	Lap belt with retractor for the center rear seat
Gearshift boot/cover	6R0	Gearshift boot for automatic transmission
seat covers	N7U	Seat trim covers in Alcantara® and pearl napa leather
Seat adjustment	3L5	Both front seats power-adjustable
seat heater	4A3	seat heating for front seats separat controlable
Safety certificate	0LM	With special labels safety certificates for California
Control number (no PR family)	SA3	Directing no. for in-house assembly management
Audio-response system/voice control	QH0	without voice control
Sunroof roller blind for rear/side windows	3Y0	without roller blind
Handling production and pre-production	FA0	Control of standard production
Headlamp washer system	8X1	Headlamp washer system
Windshield wiper intermittent control/ light/rain sensor	8N4	Windshield wiper intermittent control with potentiometer (four speeds)
mud flaps	6N0	without mud flaps
Door and lid locking system	4K0	Central locking w/ radio remote control and interior controls
Type approval countries/countries with special requirements	B34	Legal requirements USA
Carrier frequency for remote control	5D2	Carrier frequency 315 MHz
Partition	3CA	without partition
TV reception/digital radio reception	QV0	without TV/digital radio reception
Assembly parts for engine (drive bearing)	1VH	Assembly part for 6-cyl. engine
Front underbody guard	1SA	Without additional front underbody guard
Identification plates	1EP	Special identification label (USA)
Type sign	2Z1	Type sign at rear and "Quattro" nameplates respectively
Delivery equipment	2A4	Delivery equipment for shipment (transit coating) with thick seat cover
First aid kit / warning triangle	1T3	First aid kit with warning triangle
Front seats	Q1D	Sports front seats
Telephone / telematics	9W5	Phone preparation
Windshield Glass	4GP	Windshield in heat-insulating glass with sunshield and viewing window for vehicle identification number
Additional tires (snow tires)	2WA	without spare tyre
floor mats	0TD	Front and rear floor mats
Decorative trims	4ZF	Anodized decorative trims
Additional child seat anchors	3B2	Child seat anchors acc. to Australian requirements
Additional dust seals	6U0	Without additional seals outside

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