3D Premium Cluster 10% overspeed

Afield23 · Jun 4, 2018

This sounds like it is well beyond the skills I have. I can see myself destroying the cluster not knowing what I'm doing.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 4, 2018

Smell that?

Afield23 · Jun 4, 2018

What does that mean?

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 4, 2018

What does this thread mean with no auto-scan?

Afield23 · Jun 5, 2018

I'm a new user and this is my first post. This isn't a very helpful way to treat someone genuinely asking for advice. I'll post a scan later today.

PetrolDave · Jun 5, 2018

Afield23 said:
I'm a new user and this is my first post. This isn't a very helpful way to treat someone genuinely asking for advice. I'll post a scan later today.

Remember this forum is to support OWNERS of VCDS, and an Auto-Scan will give a lot of background information which will help us to help you - that's why posting an Auto-Scan should always be the first thing you do.

Afield23 · Jun 5, 2018

That's a better response. Certainly better than a riddle like the last guy. I'll do a scan and post it. Thanks

PetrolDave · Jun 5, 2018

Afield23 said:
That's a better response. Certainly better than a riddle like the last guy.

Jack's knowledge is HUGE, much greater than mine, so it's worth understanding his direct approach as the time may come when you need it.

Afield23 · Jun 5, 2018

I'm sure it is. My knowledge of civil engineering is huge but I don't play games with people. It's just not a very nice way to treat people in my opinion. Posting gif images with no explanation? That's just childish behaviour.

DV52 · Jun 5, 2018

Afield23 - I don't intend any offense and I entirely understand your position, but Jack is a very, very unique individual IMHO.

I've never met the man, but his enormous contribution to this forum and the wealth of information that he contributes is..... well impressive!!

I'm not sure that ALL here share his views, but that don't matter because there is always something to be learned in his writings and his posts always makes us (well, me really) - think!

I actually enjoyed his GIF of a very young New Zealand actor that we have adopted as an Australian - something that we do a lot when folk from "across the ditch" are successful!! It made me think

Anyway, I'm sure that Jack is reading this and quietly borrowing another of Rusty's famous lines: "are you not entertained"? Answer - Jack's posts are always entertaining!!!

But enough of the hagiography!

Don

iichel · Jun 5, 2018

Yes I agree with Don. Jack is a special kind of guy. Hugely intelligent and knowledgeable but has his own way of communicating stuff.
In the end, he has to live up to the JackAss part of NostraJackAss. I'm sure being on the receiving end isn't as amusing as simply reading it, but don't worry... He's here to help.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 5, 2018

I'm sure it is. My knowledge of civil engineering is huge but I don't play games with people. It's just not a very nice way to treat people in my opinion. Posting gif images with no explanation? That's just childish behaviour.

Geo technical dirt mechanic?

Oh boy more over educated titles again.......... I prefer NostraJackASS or asshole.... whatever, I resent childish! :rolleyes:

I still see no scan, however, let me say this & as insincere or inverse as I possibly can, you know like a byte swap in a hex editor.

I don't apologize!

Lighten up dude and cough up the fun tickets for the collective to at least try to help.

Hmmm let me ask a question, being new and tossed into the owners pub, and which indeed has already asked me for follow up with reiteration, confirming others already requested auto-scan data?

What to do, but I'm an engineer so I should get a pass, that's it, entitlement angle?

iichel · Jun 5, 2018

TS just post the scan and preferably a picture from the back of both instrument clusters so we can positively identify manufacturers and see what a HEX editor can do for you.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 5, 2018

Afield23 · Jun 5, 2018

Ok, here is my autoscan hopefully it has everything to identify the parts and software?

Code:

Tuesday,05,June,2018,17:12:52:42519
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV2ZZZ2KZCX144141   License Plate: *******
Mileage: 152340km-94659mi   Repair Order: 05/06/2018


Chassis Type: 2K-VN35 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 77

VIN: WV2ZZZ2KZCX144141   Mileage: 152340km-94659miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYD)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 PE    HW: 03L 907 425 C
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H43 8015  
   Revision: --H43---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 00254014032500080000
   Shop #: WSC 39732 001 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023PE 003010
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023PA.rod
   VCID: 78A9160CC2592AB7497-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 060 H    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 4540  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501609086468
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: 2F3BED507B172D0FD8D-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 BJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0121  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 633C400D092603FEC60C02E8901AC081310000
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 7BA30900F3EF01AF245-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 BG    HW: 7N0 907 426 BG
   Component: AC Manuell    H20 0505  
   Revision: 00001018    
   Coding: 0010004002
   Shop #: WSC 39732 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_VW32.rod
   VCID: 7AAD0C04FC5538A73F3-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 937 085 R    HW: 5K0 937 085 R
   Component: BCM PQ35 B+   021 0064  
   Revision: BB021001    
   Coding: 471A5A3A84251C7B088800829500006C07810088524F8160648000000040
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00999
   VCID: 42DDB4E4D485B067273-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T2 955 119 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 09031  26  0512 
   Coding: 009F95

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 B    HW: 7E0 959 655 B
   Component: VW10Airbag02F H07 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003HL00B8LXS
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003246
   Shop #: WSC 35110 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750 A01026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
   VCID: 3537DF3895CB17DF921-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AJ    HW: 5K0 953 549 B
   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0090  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: WHRPI€hxHHHQf 
   Coding: 1882100000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod
   VCID: 78A9160CC2592AB7497-802C

   Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K8 959 442     HW: 1K8 959 442 
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H04 0103 
   Serial number: 39170001674120027236
   Coding: A4FFFF

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 2K5 920 886 A    HW: 2K5 920 886 A
   Component: KOMBI         H02 1109  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110A010000
   Shop #: WSC 00004 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3431E23C9EB10ED7A5F-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 M    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway H42 1623  
   Revision:   H42       Serial number: 300312F1002284
   Coding: 357401
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 3A2DCC04BC55F8A77F3-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H02 1109  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8D3C448CF58827CF3-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2110  
   Coding: 0000626
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 48C9A6CCFEB99A37F97-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 140    3305  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 372BD5308347E5CF80D-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2110  
   Coding: 0000626
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 47CBA5F0F3A7954FF0D-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 156 A    HW: 5K0 035 156 A
   Component: Radio         553 0555  
   Revision: R0553007    Serial number: VWZ5Z1M0673784
   Coding: 0500020101
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 25170F7825EB675F221-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 D    HW: 5K0 035 730 D
   Component: TELEFON       H09 2902  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007662258806
   Coding: 0A01010001010110
   Shop #: WSC 35110 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 26150874586D6C472BB-8072

No fault code found.

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iichel · Jun 5, 2018

Thank you Afield23 for the scan. Would it be possible to make a picture of the rear of the cluster? Or check whether it has any inscription like VDO, Johnson Instruments, Continental, etc.?

Afield23 · Jun 5, 2018

Both are VDO

golfi_vend · Jun 5, 2018

iichel said:
Thank you Afield23 for the scan. Would it be possible to make a picture of the rear of the cluster? Or check whether it has any inscription like VDO, Johnson Instruments, Continental, etc.?

It's a VDD 3D cluster. No real need for picture. - But is always good if making it is possible.

I see that this cluster eeprom i a 886 A, which means it a EU(km/h) software. The Speedo gauge section of the Eeprom may be modified to match UK(Miles), but we can't be certain as we don't see inside software. The best would be loading a 2K5 920 986 A(Notice the 9? - UK). But finding such software on a very tight search range(UK 3D Caddy Cluster) may be tricky.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 5, 2018

Thank you Afield23 for the scan. Would it be possible to make a picture of the rear of the cluster? Or check whether it has any inscription like VDO, Johnson Instruments, Continental, etc.?

Uses 32 PIN blue for UDS iichel.....

0x17 Cluster supersedes to part number 2K5-920-886AX
Uses embedded 0x25 Immobilizer

Diesel dyke application and supports PR codes T0P for 2.0 04L , TF3 for 1.6 03L and TP4 for 2.0 03L

Kombi VDD

iichel · Jun 5, 2018

OK, then we should be in business.
When reading the EEPROM with EEPROM clip, it should both be 24C64. But there's a slight chance, your old cluster is 24C32.
That makes things a bit more difficult.
This is what I know from my Polo cluster swap to an Amarok TDI cluster (MFA+).
Read with care. I'm not 100% sure it applies to our cluster. Always use backups!

Read EEPROM--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWroks_Rd0

Replace line 000000A0 (Offset A0, line 160) from the new cluster with the same line from the old cluster. This is the wheel circumference.
Replacing line 00000060 will adjust the fuel tank characteristics.

Most EEPROM readers will come with a hex editor.

If you're willing to take the guess (no guarantees, no liability towards myself or Ross Tech!)

CH341a --> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CH341A-2...801596?hash=item3d2c0923fc:g:riUAAOSw-0xYNfXD
Complete set --> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SOIC8-Cl...704156?hash=item239beaaf5c:g:E38AAOSwZM9ao~12

I repeat: no guarantees, no liability towards myself or Ross Tech!

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