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    VW Transporter T6, Address 18 Aux.Heat --- Adaptation FAIL

    Adaptations fail on Module 18, Aux. Heater. (Webasto Thermo Top Evo)

    As per "screenshots" below.

    Module accepts security code 20103 (verified that doesn't accept "wrong" code).
    Tried a few different adaptation channels with same results.
    Tried adaptation value above and below set value to eliminate hitting possibly min/max limit.
    Tried also on another similar van with same results.


    Messages from VCDS (pop-up windows):

    Security Access - 16
    +---------------------------
    | Security access sucessful
    |
    | Security access accepted!
    | OK
    +---------------------------

    Adaptation.. select adaptation channel...
    +---------------------------
    | VCDS
    |
    | Old value
    | 5.0 C
    | New value
    | 4.0 C
    | Replace?
    | Yes No
    +---------------------------

    +---------------------------
    | ERROR
    |
    | Invalid message length or invalid format
    | OK
    +---------------------------


    Any ideas, anything I can provide?


    Auto-Scan attached.
    Code:
    Wednesday,11,April,2018,14:18:26:38894
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 18.2.0.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4417.4
    Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZJH14xxxx   License Plate: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 7H-VN75 (7E0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 10 13 15 17 18 19 20 22 25 55 5F 61 69 6E
              0B
    
    VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZJH14xxxx   Mileage: 0km-0miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    18-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    20-High Beam Assist. -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
    69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
    6E-Ctrl Head Roof -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (2D2D2-CXEB)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 04L 906 056 KN    HW: 04L 907 445 A
       Component: R4 2.0l BTD   H03 3776  
       Revision: 23101001    
       Coding: 0025401C437601080000
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20BTD03004L906056KN 004004
       ROD: EV_ECM20BTD03004L906056KN_004.rod
       VCID: 035085BD1B9C66FF6FA-8056
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: N/A
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
       Part No SW: 0BT 300 012 C    HW: 0BH 927 711 G
       Component: DSG DQ500-7A  H11 5302  
       Revision: 00H11V01    
       Coding: 0014
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ500021 001001
       ROD: EV_TCMDQ500021_VW36.rod
       VCID: 2F38190DE794329FDB2-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 7E0-907-37x-MK100ESC.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 907 379 Q    HW: 7E0 907 379 N
       Component: ESC           H06 0133  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 60508000001018
       Coding: 557EC09865668682AA7C0379A684619678F700
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN75XGP2 011001
       ROD: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN75XGP2_011.rod
       VCID: 40DA4AB14A0ABDE7328-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 959 654     HW: 6R0 959 654 
       Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H07 0070  
       Serial number: 24021813471358
       Coding: 01
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001
       ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
       VCID: 7EA6F449707E0B17004-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 7E5-907-047.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 907 047 AC    HW: 7E0 907 047 AC
       Component: Climatic-T5   H22 0708  
       Revision: 00001002    
       Coding: 0000000003
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimaticT5 A01003
       ROD: EV_ClimaT5Basis.rod
       VCID: 6B80CD1D130C8EBFB7A-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 C    HW: 7E0 937 090 C
       Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0752  
       Revision: B9082001    Serial number: 4000 049181011
       Coding: A0A8393A0A61341393284F402CEB8FF4C0947389604579603304003F0860
       Shop #: WSC 02762 022 681950
       VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBFF7A-807E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 C  Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLS 020318 04  47  0106 
       Coding: 0228EE
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 M    HW: 7E0 959 801 M
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  004 0653 
       Serial number: KU0KU026021880570604
       Coding: 0400A0
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 M    HW: 7E0 959 802 M
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  004 0653 
       Serial number: KU0KU005031880640028
       Coding: 1400A0
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7E1 951 172 
       Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 
       Coding: 000000
    
       Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 F
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H01 0008 
       Coding: 000000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7E1 951 172 
       Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 
       Coding: 000000
    
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 442 A    HW: 7E0 959 442 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H02 0103 
       Serial number: 39180000194210038075
       Coding: B5FFFF
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 AA    HW: 7N0 919 475 
       Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0212  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 28261802500414
       Coding: 31810C
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001012
       ROD: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K_001_VN75.rod
       VCID: 71BCDF753120646F8D6-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 7N0-907-572.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 572 C    HW: 7E0 907 572 
       Component: ACC Bosch PQx H03 0211  
       Serial number: 1702180442A533
       Coding: 00005800FE0779
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBEGVW361 001006
       ROD: EV_ACCBEGVW361_VW32.rod
       VCID: 36362C6918CE0357984-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 K    HW: 7E0 959 655 K
       Component: VW10Airbag01R 010 0018  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003EM000CMPC
       Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003152
       Shop #: WSC 02164 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001028
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
       VCID: 3E26344930FECB17404-806A
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 3495ZRB400S5BOJEK1HM
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3505ZRB404R556M48O6T
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 7E0 920 870 S    HW: 7E0 920 870 S
       Component: KOMBI         H03 1107  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 140F010300
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
       VCID: 392C275529D0EC2F756-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 18: Aux. Heat (J364)       Labels:| 7E0-963-27X-18.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 963 272 B    HW: 7E0 963 272 B
       Component: STH-T5GP2     003 0009  
       Coding: 5901
       Shop #: WSC 28624 002 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOST5G2 001013
       ROD: EV_AuxilParkiHeateWOST5G2.rod
       VCID: 2B000D1DD38C4EBFF7A-807E
    
       Remote Control Auxiliary Heater: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3Q0 963 513     HW: 3Q0 963 513 
       Component: R64 D208L  004 0402 
       Serial number: 00000000000000399683
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 090 C
       Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0752  
       Revision: B9082001    
       Coding: 042207
       Shop #: WSC 02762 022 681950
       VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7DA8-803C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 20: High Beam Assist. (J844)       Labels:| 8S0-857-511.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 857 511 F    HW: 7E0 857 511 C
       Component: FLA           H10 0003  
       Revision: AA001001    
       Coding: 040400E200000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316 001004
       ROD: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316.rod
       VCID: 2D040305ED98408FE9E-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels:* 0CQ-907-554.clb
       Part No SW: 0AY 907 554 L    HW: 0CQ 525 130 A
       Component: Haldex4Motion H53 7620  
       Serial number: HA1-00023.01.18
       Coding: 0505
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002015
       ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X.rod
       VCID: 54F276E1AE723147860-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H03 1107  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
       VCID: 6A8EC8191CF697B7CCC-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:. 6R0-907-357.clb
       Part No SW: 6R0 907 357 C    HW: 6R0 907 357 B
       Component: AFS-ECU       005 0050  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 0FCA020001000000
       Shop #: WSC 02748 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRCC 002006
       ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRCC.rod
       VCID: 3A2E38592CD6E7377CC-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
       Part No SW: 5C0 035 680 F    HW: 5C0 035 680 F
       Component: MU-S-N-ER     H41 0468  
       Serial number: VWZAZ2U0642180
       Coding: 065700013C00000011110001000808001F0100D4002001004F
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
       ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW27.rod
       VCID: 2412E621BE5281C7360-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 907 534     HW: 7E0 937 090 C
       Component: Batt.regelung H82 0752  
       Serial number: 4000 049181011
       Coding: 330B1A73
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 00000
       VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7DA8-803C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7E0 915 181 K    HW: 7E0 915 181 K
       Component: J367-BDMConti  H03 1050 
       Serial number: 7588570000180225037D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 H    HW: 1K0 907 383 G
       Component: Anhaenger     H12 0130  
       Revision: 3B001001    Serial number: 00000471905037
       Coding: 410D000103000000
       Shop #: WSC 02762 790 00000
       VCID: 323E1079F4261F77B4C-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof (J702)       Labels:. 7E5-919-037-W2.clb
       Part No SW: 7E5 919 037 J    HW: 7E5 919 037 J
       Component: Dachdisplay   H17 0200  
       Revision: 1010013S    Serial number: 537494        
       Coding: 000103
       Shop #: WSC 02759 790 00000
       VCID: 382A2251125AF5278A8-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:06, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.2V)-----------

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    Quote Originally Posted by VWT6 View Post
    Any ideas, anything I can provide?
    Hmm, CB: 0.4417. Please update that to the current one on the Beta Channel, 0.4422.

    If it behaves the same way, I'm going to suppose Eric will want Debug files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Hmm, CB: 0.4417. Please update that to the current one on the Beta Channel, 0.4422.

    If it behaves the same way, I'm going to suppose Eric will want Debug files.

    -Uwe-
    Thanks for prompt response. Updated the HEX-V2, it's now at 0.4422. The behaviour is still the same .

    In addition to the earlier exited from VCDS, turned ignition off, wait, ignition on, restarted the VCDS, module 18, but did NOT log into module with the security code, and the ERROR message is still the same.

    I did separate recordings from both cases above using debug 1024, and emailed them to support@ross-tech.com

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    Thanks for the files. We will either reply to that email or report back in this thread if we need any additional information or testing.

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    Bumping up an old challenge + adding a new strangeness of same module.

    When I tick manually all the measurements as in the picture, I can save the measurement values then into a log file as expected.



    And saving selection of those 12 into a file works fine, all of them are in there (xxxx.u18, attached).

    But reloading the xxxx.u18 file results missing the boxed ones - I need to manually tick them again to get the readings.

    The problem being - even though the boxed values are in the xxxx.u18 they just don't get ticked when the setup is reloaded. Not a high priority thing, just letting you know. The autoscan as earlier above.

    Code:
    IDE00025
    IDE00310-MAS05093
    IDE00588
    IDE01263
    IDE01834
    IDE06625-IDE00371
    IDE06625-MAS05018
    IDE06625-MAS05019
    IDE06625-MAS05020
    IDE06625-MAS05021
    IDE06625
    IDE06625
    Last edited by VWT6; 01-04-2019 at 07:35 AM. Reason: adding a picture

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    Interesting case. It's not often that we see multiple IDExxxxx with the same xxxxx like that, compounded with IDExxxxx-MASyyyyy.
    VCDS was (re)applying the IDE06625s to your previous IDE06625-MASyyyyy selections. It would even have applied them to an IDE06625-MASyyyyy you hadn't saved.
    I've fixed it, but understand VCDS still won't be able to make a difference between IDE06625 and IDE06625 So if you have both saved, it will select both, but if you have only one saved, no matter whether first IDE06625 or second IDE06625, it will always select the first one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Interesting case. It's not often that we see multiple IDExxxxx with the same xxxxx like that, compounded with IDExxxxx-MASyyyyy.
    VCDS was (re)applying the IDE06625s to your previous IDE06625-MASyyyyy selections. It would even have applied them to an IDE06625-MASyyyyy you hadn't saved.
    I've fixed it, but understand VCDS still won't be able to make a difference between IDE06625 and IDE06625 So if you have both saved, it will select both, but if you have only one saved, no matter whether first IDE06625 or second IDE06625, it will always select the first one.
    Thank you very much for your prompt response. And yes, I do understand the challenge to differentiate the two IDE06625's from each other .

    Anyways, still on my wishlist is the capability to log more than "only" 12 measurement values. The speed of the HEX-V2 would definitely allow meaningful data collection even then

    Thanks again.

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    For the original issue... it looks like the control module is sending one more byte in the adaptation value (during the read) than it expects to receive (during the write, based on our UDS data). VCDS always sends back the same number of bytes it originally read from the module, just modifying the ones relevant to the changes made by the user. I am note sure how confident I would be in modifying that behavior without having that module to test ODIS on.
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    I see... let me know if there is something I could try. Any use if a VW garage would try the same just to see if their tool can handle this?
    Anyways, at the moment no real need to tweak the heater.
    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Interesting case. It's not often that we see multiple IDExxxxx with the same xxxxx like that, compounded with IDExxxxx-MASyyyyy.
    VCDS was (re)applying the IDE06625s to your previous IDE06625-MASyyyyy selections. It would even have applied them to an IDE06625-MASyyyyy you hadn't saved.
    I've fixed it, but understand VCDS still won't be able to make a difference between IDE06625 and IDE06625 So if you have both saved, it will select both, but if you have only one saved, no matter whether first IDE06625 or second IDE06625, it will always select the first one.
    The fix - verified now. Beta 19.1 + CB:0.4502. Thanks again.

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