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    Question Brake lights and Horn on with Terminal 15 off - no-go in Jetta Mk. VI?

    I found these bits in Central Electronics on our 2012 Beetle Base and 2015 Passat SEL as well as my Jetta (2017 SEL). For the Beetle and Passat, it was as simple as checking the associated bits in VCDS and done.

    Not so in the Jetta Mk. VI. Whether I have these bits checked or not, I cannot activate my horn or brake lights with the ignition off.

    Are there additional settings buried in some other controller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTK Awesome View Post
    Whether I have these bits checked or not
    It seems as though you may need another module to be installed which may have some sort of relay included to make it work.

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    Autoscan would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by iichel View Post
    Autoscan would be nice
    Up, reviving the topic. I can't get my horn to honk with the ignition turned off. 2016 Jetta.

    Autoscan :
    Code:
    Sunday,21,July,2019,21:53:34:44035
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
    Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: 3VW3A7AJ6GM******   License Plate: *******
    Mileage: 3470km-2156mi   Repair Order: 2 Telematics OK and Edits
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7E0)
    Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 44 47 5F 75
    
    VIN: 3VW3A7AJ6GM******   Mileage: 3470km-2156miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-DELA)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 04L 906 016 MC    HW: 04L 907 309 K
       Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H20 4450  
       Revision: 8AH20---    
       Coding: 01190012042410095000
       Shop #: WSC 20200 993 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906016MC 004002
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906016MC.rod
       VCID: 76B5E6E9E84DFD87E05-8022
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CB    HW: 1K0 907 379 CB
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0174  
       Revision: 00H46001    
       Coding: A14B400C492300FC850F02E7921C004221100012
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 74B1DCE1FEB1EF97DE1-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
       Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
       Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0368374703
       Coding: 030C0C
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00018
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
       ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW31.rod
       VCID: 372B2BEDAFC7448F3B3-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 1K8 907 044 Q    HW: 1K8 907 044 Q
       Component: Climatronic   H05 0304  
       Revision: 00001K03    
       Coding: 0050019002
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00318
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
       ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 3D2739C58DFB6EDFE1F-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 937 189     HW: 7E0 937 189 
       Component: BCM PQ25 MMI3 H80 0733  
       Revision: BA080001    Serial number: 18003183150699
       Coding: 72994FBF48AB0F00093926807EE896C52D86700E60842130B0A0500B2844
       Shop #: WSC 18930 003 104857
       VCID: 71BFD5F581A3DABF357-8024
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 270515 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 06300A
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461 
       Serial number: 14102585150618081238
       Coding: 820000
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461 
       Serial number: 14102584150612144508
       Coding: 820000
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 591 A    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
       Component: J245 PS41.402  H03 0004 
       Serial number: 0000FST0009097P00000
       Coding: 180000
    
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
       Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
       Serial number: 1701510224300841AD1B
       Coding: 280000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
       Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460 
       Serial number: 14102587150620190552
       Coding: 800000
    
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
       Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460 
       Serial number: 14102586150619145341
       Coding: 800000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 561-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 561 959 655     HW: 561 959 655 
       Component: AirbagVW11    001 0207  
       Serial number: 003RXM0077R/
       Coding: 8CCCF000000000005000001AC20800000065
       Shop #: WSC 55286 001 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411 001002
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411_VW32.rod
       VCID: 6393AFBD4BDF782FB7B-8036
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0021 
       Serial number: IBH00000000000328SCD
       Coding: 303146
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 505 15
       Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
       Serial number: 357000000008F255241E
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 505 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
       Serial number: 35800000000CB155241E
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 021 305 15
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 0148 
       Serial number: 3510001C519BDF22B44D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 021 305 15
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 0148 
       Serial number: 3520001BB19BDF2553FQ
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 605 15
       Component: FrontSensor_D  000 0189 
       Serial number: 3550001AD19BDF23730F
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 605 15
       Component: FrontSensor_P  000 0189 
       Serial number: 3560001AD19BDF21B2BS
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
       Part No SW: 5C6 920 955     HW: 5C6 920 955 
       Component: KOMBI         H04 1007  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 170A010000
       Shop #: WSC 36656 002 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05730
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
       VCID: 6C81C481A6013757061-8038
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
       Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 189 
       Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733  
       Revision: BA080001    
       Coding: 102203
       Shop #: WSC 18930 003 104857
       VCID: 6889B891B2791B77629-803C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H04 1007  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000007
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00318
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
       VCID: 6A8DC299ACF5296774D-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C    HW: 5K0 905 861 C
       Component: ELV-PQ35      H21 0240  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15000125678002
       Coding: 4100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00318
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
       ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
       VCID: 303910F14AA993B77A9-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 306    3501  
       Revision: 00H22000    
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 392F2DD5955352FFCD7-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
       Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 C    HW: 5C6 035 456 C
       Component: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA098C0058171
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3 S01001
       ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3.rod
       VCID: 2809F8917279DB77A29-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
       Part No SW: 5C0 035 684     HW: 5C0 035 684 
       Component: MU-S-NS-US    H21 0241  
       Serial number: VWZAZ2R0260771
       Coding: 02630102AA00000051110003001808001F0100D400200105CE
       Shop #: WSC 62743 001 104857
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
       ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW36.rod
       VCID: 629DAAB954C57127BCD-8036
    
       Data medium: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866 N    HW: -----------
       Component: MRM3 2019/20  --- 1115 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
       Part No SW: 561 035 285 A    HW: 561 035 285 A
       Component: OCULowUSA     020 0156  
       Serial number: 000003554140539
       Coding: 02630102C04232007F1606000000
       Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
       ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002009
       ROD: EV_OCULow_002.rod
       VCID: 1471BC61DEF14F977E1-8040
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:31, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------
    VW Jetta 2016 U.S Imported (Country dependant Trim)
    2.0 HL 110Kw TDIM6F 163x42 DELA (16/AJ)

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    I feel this is a CECM limitation which simply can't be "coded in". I suspect you would have to do an "old-school" wiring with an additional relay to get this working like any other non-VAG vehicle. I'm in the same boat as you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitrousOxide View Post
    I feel this is a CECM limitation which simply can't be "coded in". I suspect you would have to do an "old-school" wiring with an additional relay to get this working like any other non-VAG vehicle. I'm in the same boat as you are
    I mean...the wiring is probably to be done with the steering wheel. Since the acoustic signal (honking) while locking the doors is working, the alarm is working, the panic thingy is working, all without ignition on. So I'm pretty sure it's not about the honk itself.
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    2.0 HL 110Kw TDIM6F 163x42 DELA (16/AJ)

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    I have gone through all 255 adaptation channels and the long coding labels for MY car, and have concluded that it isn't possible for my car.

    My suggestion to you is to fire up your trusty soldering iron, and brush upon your good-old-fashioned electrical skills, as I foresee some good old hard-wiring of the horn with an analog relay to fix the issue.


    What you are saying above is plausible, but the option isn't listed for that module (whether coding or adaptation channel). Otherwise, you would have to fool the CECM into staying ON all the time (draining your battery).

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    I feel kind of stupid...

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