Golf 7 Multifunction retrofit

milos · Oct 6, 2014

Does anyone from Ross Tech knows why those fields are disabled?

Maybe because of security access?

Andy · Oct 6, 2014

I just checked Adaptation in 19-CAN Gateway on my US-spec MQB (which has a different gateway from yours) and the fields were populated and able to be changed. In fact, I saved that value as "not installed" and got a fault code for :

8782089 - Controls in Steering Wheel
U108F 00 [008] - Implausible Signal

Dunno if it's related but you have an equipment number with more than 5 digits. You may want to try going into Options then User Interface and enter the following for WSC, Importer, and Equipment

54321
444
54321

Then Apply and go into 19-CAN Gateway then Installation List and Save coding without making any changes. That should cause the module to have plausible values stored.

milos · Oct 6, 2014

Hey Andy,

thanks for the quick reply.

You gave me a hope, but nothing. Just came from the car, without success. It's still disabled.

Not sure what else to try, except replacing can gateway to high, if that is possible.

In theory, like my MF steering wheel doesn't have power, because there is no light for the buttons. But I guess it's because there is no communication with can.

golfi_vend · Oct 6, 2014

Just a guess, maybe it's not possible to select new value because there isn't an old value. Whatever reason, maybe the gateway being low version.

milos · Oct 6, 2014

golfi_vend said:
Just a guess, maybe it's not possible to select new value because there isn't an old value. Whatever reason, maybe the gateway being low version.

Possible, but that means gateway is coming with predefined values?

Does anyone know when I replace can gateway, and if something goes wrong, I can always roll back to my default gateway and all values will be there?

Thanks

DV52 · Oct 6, 2014

Andy said:
I just checked Adaptation in 19-CAN Gateway on my US-spec MQB (which has a different gateway from yours) and the fields were populated and able to be changed. In fact, I saved that value as "not installed" and got a fault code.

Andy: as indicated in my previous post, that adaptation channel channel has the same value in my Golf. But we both have the slave control module for the CAN Gateway fitted to our cars.

Just from a logic perspective, if milos' car is missing the multi function unit control module unit ( i.e. Subsystem 2), doesn't the observed behaviour suggest that access to this adaptation channel (and channel (5)- I'm guessing) is dependent on the slave module being fitted? Or am I missing something (which is entirely possible).

milos · Oct 6, 2014

Like I know, MF unit control module is tied by default in MF steering wheel. It's not separate like on Golf MK6.
But seems I can't enable it until I get new can gateway. Who knows, hard to say. Trying to compare all auto scans from MK7 with MF and everyone has that Subsystem under CAN.

I will be more than happy to resolve this puzzle and contribute with the success result.

DV52 · Oct 6, 2014

milos said:
Like I know, MF unit control module is tied by default in MF steering wheel. It's not separate like on Golf MK6.
But seems I can't enable it until I get new can gateway. Who knows, hard to say. Trying to compare all auto scans from MK7 with MF and everyone has that Subsystem under CAN.

I will be more than happy to resolve this puzzle and contribute with the success result.

Milos: OK - my apology Andy, I had assumed that the slave module was a separate item-like the mk6. You're probably correct about having to buy the "mid" CAN Gateway, but as the multifunction unit is already installed, is there any chance at all of "tricking" your existing CAN Gateway into seeing the slave module? I have no idea whether this will work, but as a totally uneducated suggestion could this be done by changing the coding string in address 19?

Do any of the VCDS Gurus here know whether this is even possible? Does recognition of a slave control module (like the multifunction unit) require an actual physical connection, or is it done through a software link, or both?

Anyhow, if there is a remote chance that the CAN Gateway can be "fooled", I provide the following byte comparison for the CAN gateway module for your mk7, and a number of other mk7 vehicles (including my 103TSI Highline) that have MFSW fitted. This data is sourced mostly from auto-scans on this forum and stuff that was given to me from VWWatercooled folk. There's some valuable stuff on both forums - all one needs to do is realise its potential and to find it!!!

As you can see, I've listed the type of CAN Gateway installed for each vehicle. I've highlighted the two Bytes that are the same for all vehicles that have MFSW fitted and where these Bytes are different to yours. Note that for both Bytes, the active Bit is Bit 0.
Logic suggests that Byte 1 and Byte 13 are the two potential enabling Bytes for the multifunction unit - if your CAN Gateway module can be tricked, then one of these are the two Bytes (or, both Bytes) might be the key!

I repeat again, I don't know whether this suggestion will (or even if it can) work. But as we "traders" say - this is a free option which you may be able to exercise at (hopefully) no additional cost! On the matter of "cost" - is there a down-side?

milos · Oct 7, 2014

DV52, I appreciate all your support in this thread, you are amazing.

I tried enabling those bytes, but that didn't help. While driving, I got message "only declutch below 1300rpm", so I assume I enabled some notification and it's not related to MF.
Before that, I never got such message.

One thing is worried me, as we are discussing about coding and maybe I don't have wire between MF and gateway, which is hard to check.
When I bought MF, I expected to see buttons light with disabled buttons, but that's not happened.

Maybe I didn't say so far, but when I asked VW dealer, they said MF is not possible to add, without explanation.

(4)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_1 active
Can you try to change this to not-active and see if that is going to stop your MF and change coding:28000? If you don't want to play, no worries, I understand.

DV52 · Oct 7, 2014

milos said:
DV52, I appreciate all your support in this thread, you are amazing.

I tried enabling those bytes, but that didn't help. While driving, I got message "only declutch below 1300rpm", so I assume I enabled some notification and it's not related to MF.
Before that, I never got such message.

One thing is worried me, as we are discussing about coding and maybe I don't have wire between MF and gateway, which is hard to check.
When I bought MF, I expected to see buttons light with disabled buttons, but that's not happened.

Maybe I didn't say so far, but when I asked VW dealer, they said MF is not possible to add, without explanation.

(4)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_1 active
Can you try to change this to not-active and see if that is going to stop your MF and change coding:28000? If you don't want to play, no worries, I understand.

Milos: No problem - they are quick changes to do.
When I changed the setting for "4)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_1" to "not active" as you suggested I got some strange behaviour on the steering wheel buttons (some didn't seem to work). Put the setting back and all OK. I also changed the setting on the slave control module from Hex28000 to Hex29FFFF (Some of the auto-scan reports that I used for my previous post had this coding string). Everything seem to work OK, but I restored the setting to its original value.

Given your observation, it sounds very much like something else is needed. Perhaps the MID level CAN Gateway is necessary for the MFSW to work. The problem is that if you spend more money to buy the new CAN module and it still doesn't work - what then?

milos · Oct 7, 2014

Well, I can buy on ebay for around $100 mid or high gateway, which is not too expensive, but like you said there is a good chance it won't work again.
But that's the part of retrofit, you don't know if you don't try and there is no people who tried already since the car is still new.

I am going to order one, I guess that's the last thing I can try and if nothing, possible I will rollback non-mf steering wheel

I also changed the setting on the slave control module from Hex28000 to Hex29FFFF

Where is this setting located? Under adaptation?

DV52 · Oct 7, 2014

milos said:
Well, I can buy on ebay for around $100 mid or high gateway, which is not too expensive, but like you said there is a good chance it won't work again.
But that's the part of retrofit, you don't know if you don't try and there is no people who tried already since the car is still new.

I am going to order one, I guess that's the last thing I can try and if nothing, possible I will rollback non-mf steering wheel

Where is this setting located? Under adaptation?

Milos: OK -I wish you all the best with the ebay purchase.

No, you don't use the adaptation channel facility to change the coding string for a slave controller. You access the slave module through the master control module. I don't have a pic of how its done for address 19, but I did make a screen-shot of how to access a slave control module of the BCM. I used the screen shot below for my instructions on VWWatercooled for the Auto RainClosing tweak. It's intended to describe how to access the coding string for the RLFS which is a slave module to the BCM. It's exactly the same for the Multifunction unit. When you get the screen for 09-Cent Elect, just press the box next to the red arrow in the center of the screen as shown

Good Luck and it has been a pleasure discussing this project with you - I've learnt much that I didn't know before our conversations

milos · Oct 7, 2014

Thanks man.

Just tried that and I didn't pay attention on it so far. It's disabled on my side, so you can't select slave module in gateway. It's editable through BCM like on your screen shoot.
Definitely going to order highline version, I will keep you updated.

Then we can continue to discuss and learn something new ;-)

Stay well

DV52 · Oct 7, 2014

milos said:
Thanks man.

Just tried that and I didn't pay attention on it so far. It's disabled on my side, so you can't select slave module in gateway. It's editable through BCM like on your screen shoot.
Definitely going to order highline version, I will keep you updated.

Then we can continue to discuss and learn something new ;-)

Stay well

Milos: Here are the two screen shots that you should see if the multifunction unit is operating correctly:

Cheers
Don

milos · Oct 7, 2014

Hi Don,

thanks again. That's exactly what I am missing and hope so it will be shown when I switch different gateway. Definitely that's the place for MF
Just ordered them on ebay, hopefully it will come within few days. Until that, I will investigate what I can.

Milos

Andy · Oct 7, 2014

YGM, milos. I ran a controller channel map on my MQB and every adaptation channel shows SOMETHING even if it's "Mode not active " or "not active" etc.

milos · Oct 7, 2014

Hi Andy, I understand it's different on your side, but I don't have answer why it's disabled on my side.
Plus I can't see my MF control slave module, it's disabled as well.

I will send debug file within hour.

Milos

Eric · Oct 8, 2014

Thank you for the debug file. That channel is denied a read with the error "No response from subnet component". Sounds like your gateway is missing something somewhere

I have modified VCDS to recognize this error and properly disable the controls to avoid future confusion.

milos · Oct 8, 2014

Thanks Eric,

I am waiting for a new gateway, then we will see.

If everything goes well, we will have success story ;-)

Thanks for quick update.

Milos

milos · Oct 16, 2014

Hi Guys,

I hope so someone is here to help me, since I am writing from car.
I just installed new can gateway, I have new MF slave module, I can see MF buttons light (so everything what I wanted), but the car went to the component protection mode, and I am not sure how to fix that.
Basically, I tried to clean errors, without luck. Car is working. except instrument cluster is blinking and radio is also in protection mode.

Any help would be more than welcome. Thanks!

Code:

VCDS Version: Beta 14.8.1 (x64)
Data version: 20140905

Thursday,16,October,2014,21:12:15:17869

Chassis Type: AU (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F

VIN: WVWZZZAUZDW139432   Mileage: 30596km-19011miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CJZB)       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 016 E    HW: 04E 907 309 A
   Component: 1.2l R4 TSI   H08 5542  
   Revision: WAH08---    
   Coding: 01110012232415082000
   Shop #: WSC 05026 000 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016E 001009
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016H.rod
   VCID: 2447E9B62F9E321A9D-8071

2 Faults Found:
7150 - Implausible Data Received from Steering Angle Sensor Module (G85) 
          U0428 00 [039] - -
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:18:10

17158 - Databus 
          U1123 00 [039] - Received Error Message
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:18:10

Readiness: 1110 0001

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AC    HW: 5Q0 907 379 D
   Component: ESC           H75 0437  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01FA6AA120232A75037B060301C52580560454C06080A4F300280028C0
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 008020
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 7DF1FCD2ECB4A3D2B2-8028

2 Faults Found:
0297 - Steering angle sensor 
          B1168 16 [009] - Voltage Too Low
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:18:46

16390 - Display for Tire Pressure Monitoring 
          C1146 02 [137] - Signal Failure
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:18:55


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 Q    HW: 5G0 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0503  
   Revision: 00001K06    
   Coding: 00020004200100011005004000101000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 002017
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 356124F29404BB923A-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-MV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 N    HW: 5Q0 937 084 N
   Component: BCM MQBAB M   H14 0106  
   Serial number: 00011309401406
   Coding: 00000842C24100DB4FE44000000403081000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 010001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_SE37.rod
   VCID: 43854A2ACAD0152284-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G1 955 119 A    HW: 5G1 955 119 A
   Component: WWS    130329  042 0551 
   Serial number:         130402145957
   Coding: 0E4DD5

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559     HW: 8U0 955 559 
   Component: G355_FeuchteS  H07 0002 
   Serial number: 20332439            

1 Fault Found:
15360768 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [009] - Active
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:19:28


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 C    HW: 5Q0 959 655 C
   Component: AirbagVW20    011 0361  
   Serial number: 003F5R040XNO
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CF004800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002126
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 408F4526DBC60E3A99-8015

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 803 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35767000000096B0AC0X
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 803 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 358670000009651D1D0Y
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 703 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 35165029F0FBDE4052BZ
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 703 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3526502AF0FBDE32E13 
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 603 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3556502A50FBDE46417U
   Coding: 2D2D2D

1 Fault Found:
15360768 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [137] - Active
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:20:12


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AB    HW: 5Q0 953 549 
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 29031308491698
   Coding: 9604
   Shop #: WSC 54321 444 54321
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 76E3E3FEC982F08AF3-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 920 850     HW: 5G0 920 850 
   Component: KOMBI         136 0580  
   Coding: 07A502002380000800080800040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008026
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_AU37.rod
   VCID: 64C7A9B66F1E721A5D-8031

1 Fault Found:
15360512 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [009] - Active
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:20:57


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 F    HW: 5Q0 907 530 F
   Component: GW MQB High   122 1107  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000061822
   Coding: 030100042B086400EF000248080F00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 54321 444 54321
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 006010
   ROD: EV_GatewLear.rod
   VCID: 346719F69F7EA29A0D-8061

   Alternator: 

   Multifunction unit control module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 H    HW: 5G0 959 442 H
H12 0034 
   Serial number: 02120003768990080291
   Coding: 240000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 C    HW: 5Q0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8042 
   Serial number: 6972830203          

2 Faults Found:
15360512 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [009] - Active
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:29:04

15360768 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [009] - Active
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:29:04


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 393 A    HW: 5Q0 959 393 
   Component: TSG FS        012 0006  
   Serial number: 16031302090982
   Coding: 003003208000040000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3D713CD2AC3463D2F2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 A    HW: 5Q4 959 811 A
   Component: Fond FHSG DRV  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001069817
   Coding: 010000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 L    HW: 5Q0 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  119 1021  
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 3D713CD2AC3463D2F2-8068

1 Fault Found:
16130 - Steering Angle Sensor 
          B1168 F2 [009] - Not Initialized
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:21:23


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 A    HW: 5Q0 959 392 
   Component: TSG BFS       012 0006  
   Serial number: 13031304080124
   Coding: 003001208000040000801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3C7731D6B72E6ADAC5-8069

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 A    HW: 5Q4 959 812 A
   Component: Fond FHSG PSG  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001076345
   Coding: 090000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 867     HW: 5G0 035 867 
   Component: MU-E--ER      615 5561  
   Serial number: 30011300010328
   Coding: 02730000FF0000004011000100000000000000040000010000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CLGE 001025
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CLGE_SK37.rod
   VCID: 69D9B882883C2F726E-803C

1 Fault Found:
15360768 - Component Protection 
          U1101 00 [009] - Active
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 30596 km
                    Date: 2014.10.16
                    Time: 00:21:49


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