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    02 MK4 GTI VR6 no-start.

    I am having some peculiar problems with my GTI. It started with the a/c (climatronic equipped) not operating. heat and fan work normal. I was stupid...VERY stupid and was in a hurry. I wanted to jump the low press. sw. to start the compressor to see if it might be the sw. (I did this before I ordered my KII-USB pigtail). so I shorted it out as I heard a loud snap. The thermometer on the gauge cluster is not reading and the climate control display is blank. The vehicle was still running, but the EPC light came on. It didn't run quite right as I drove around the block for a test drive prior to repair, so I just parked it in my driveway and the MIL also came on as I was driving. Then it didn't start after letting it sit for an hour. I received my pigtail and did an auto-scan and found several codes stored. The next morning I tried to start it again and it started. but it has done the no-start again since.

    I know that this is long, but as a technician, I know that the more info. the better I can narrow down the diagnosis. I've never seen this many codes stored in any vehicle I've worked on and any help that could point me in the right direction would be very appreciated. Thanks!

    Here is the results of the auto-scan...

    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: (x64)
    Data version: 20140822
    VIN: 9BWPG61J224003987   License Plate: 4ULT218
    Mileage: 328540km-204145mi   Repair Order: 
    Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
    VIN: 9BWPG61J224003987   Mileage: 328540km/204145miles
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 021-906-018-AFP.lbl
       Part No: 021 906 018 T
       Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1  G   6764  
       Coding: 00031
       Shop #: WSC 26004  
       VCID: 1F43EBAD9D6992E6827-5178
       9BWPG61J224003987     VWZ7Z0A3885954
    13 Faults Found:
    16955 - Brake Switch (F) 
                P0571 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
    16645 - Fuel Injector #1 (N30) 
                P0261 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16657 - Fuel Injector #5 (N83) 
                P0273 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16651 - Fuel Injector #3 (N32) 
                P0267 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16660 - Fuel Injector #6 (N84) 
                P0276 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16829 - EVAP Purge Control Valve (N80) 
                P0445 - 35-00 - Circuit Shorted
    17880 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump 
                P1472 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16802 - Relay for Secondary Air Injection Pump (J299) 
                P0418 - 35-00 - Malfunction
    16798 - Secondary Air Injection System Valve (N112) 
                P0414 - 35-00 - Shorted
    16654 - Fuel Injector #4 (N33) 
                P0270 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    17045 - Intake Manifold Tuning Valve Control Circuit (Bank 1) 
                P0661 - 35-00 - Short to GND
    16648 - Fuel Injector #2 (N31) 
                P0264 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    16421 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2: Heating Circuit 
                P0037 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
    Readiness: 0000 1100
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ASR.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 D
       Component: ASR FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0021505
       Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
       VCID: 2B5B0F7D89D17E461EF-5178
    No fault code found.
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
       Component: 08 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
       Coding: 12344
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 3A753A39268BD7CE959-513C
    No fault code found.
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 920 926 D
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V02  
       Coding: 07232
       Shop #: WSC 26101  
       VCID: 2B5B0F7DD9D17E461EF-513C
       9BWPG61J224003987     VWZ7Z0A3885954
    1 Fault Found:
    00667 - Ambient Temperature Signal 
                30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: F0E15811B077DD9EEBD-513C
    No fault code found.
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
       Component: 1H Komfortgerát HLO 0003  
       Coding: 00258
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 3773230D1599CAA66A7-4B32
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
       Component: 1J Tőrsteuer.FS KLO 0003  
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
       Component: 1J Tőrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: Steuerger
       Component: t HL    antwortet nicht     
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: Steuerger
       Component: t HR    antwortet nicht     
    2 Faults Found:
    01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
                49-00 - No Communications
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    Last edited by Uwe; 09-26-2014 at 04:31 PM. Reason: Wrapped CODE tags around Auto-Scan

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    With a bit of luck you have just blown a fuse; a blown fuse can manifest itself as 'short to xx'. Uwe had (or still has??) a VR6 so he may be the best to respond for fuse locations etc.

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    Yep, those faults are indicative of a whole bunch of things not getting power. A blown fuse could certainly cause that, but the culprit is most often a bad Fuel Pump Relay.

    My VR6 was an Mk.3, with M5.9 rather than the Mk.4 ME7.1 being discussed here, which is a totally different animal.


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    Thanks Diode and UWE! I kinda thought it was a fuse or circuit breaker type interruption. I'll re-check the fuses again and inspect that fuel pump relay.

    Thanks for the fast reaponse guys. Hope your weekend was great.

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    If the 10 AMP fuse for consumers is sure to check the ( OXS ) oxygen sensor heater circuits first.
    Start with isolating each and unplugging to test each track as they are all shared for supply switched terminal 15 B+.
    Don't negate checking the ignition switch or switched ground terminal 31 for such an energizing loss of the FP relay being done by the controller J220 and redundant loops.

    Study the current tracks and follow all star-gates for possible cross............

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    Ok, so I swapped the fuel pump relay with my wife's GTI and BAM!!! fired! I'm gonna buy a new relay and ambient temp sensor (as mine is still inop.) clear the codes, reset readiness and then re-scan. Thanks for the inut guys, I really do appreciate it.

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