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    Bold statement?
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    I don't think so. VW is well positioned in China with producing electric cars that are required to be the norm by 2021. Right - by 2021 China is requiring that the majority of cars sold are to be electric only - not hybrids but EVs. With that mandate and VAG having 30% of their world market in China - selling at near 20% of the total market in China, VAG has to respond with EVs that the Chinese want. They are doing so. They are investing in plants to build electric cars. The other OEs have to catch up. Owing to the China mandate, Toyota is the other major brand that has much to gain/loose in China. I've not read much about what they are doing. China's auto industry is actually ahead of most of the world recognized OEs for EV. If you want to see what is coming on the EV front, I think you must watch China.

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    I don't think so. VW is well positioned in China with producing electric cars that are required to be the norm by 2021. Right - by 2021 China is requiring that the majority of cars sold are to be electric only - not hybrids but EVs. With that mandate and VAG having 30% of their world market in China - selling at near 20% of the total market in China, VAG has to respond with EVs that the Chinese want. They are doing so. They are investing in plants to build electric cars. The other OEs have to catch up. Owing to the China mandate, Toyota is the other major brand that has much to gain/loose in China. I've not read much about what they are doing. China's auto industry is actually ahead of most of the world recognized OEs for EV. If you want to see what is coming on the EV front, I think you must watch China.


    I think Toyota is playing with hydro cell electric as their big bet and not as much stock in dirty batteries, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    by 2021 China is requiring that the majority of cars sold are to be electric only - not hybrids but EVs.
    That has to be the most aggressive EV target anywhere in the world?

    As an example, in the UK the target is that by 2040 all vehicles must be either hybrids or EVs.

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    Indeed it is. When we heard it a fair last year, our jaws dropped.. 2018 to 2021... the government wanted near half the cars to be EV... and by 2023... even more so. And I want to tell you that from 2017 to 2018, we were amazed at how many EVs were traveling the streets of Beijing.

    I need to go back and find the articles... But even if I am off a year or two in my recollection, they have a very aggressive government mandate. The Chinese car manufacturers have been building on EV tech for 7 or 8 years and they have taken the lead in both battery tech and low cost EV assembly. Tesla is popular in China. We saw some really nice Chinese EVs that rivaled the Tesla cars. These were not junk.

    I am convinced, China will lead the way on electrification of transportation for a mobile population. They are doing it. And the pollution in their cities is decreasing quickly.

    On my several trips to China in the last few years, I was always amazed at how much change occurred year on year. One thing about China, it does not move slowly nor does it ever stand still.

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    ^^^ Bruce: Hi

    I'm not sure about communism, but from the news that I get down here about the land-of-the-free, I understand that the term "socialism" is a dirty word amongst Americans (albeit I still don't understand the difference between socialism and Mr Sander's use of the term "democratic-socialism"). Are you advocating the communist form of government as being a superior mechanism to mobilize whole-scale change?

    I agree that Emperor Xi Jiping's particular form of communism is a far cry from the practices of Lenin's Bolsheviks - but perhaps all countries need the firm hand of a megalomaniac dictator and communism for the survival of this beautiful blue planet (man, I hope not)! Is it possible for representative democracy to continue and for a healthy planet to prevail?

    What say you - has the revolution commenced amongst America's huddled masses (it's OK comrade, Senator McCarthy ain't alive anymore - or is he)?

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    Did you truly want kick this old dog and have him bark on this subject?

    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    I'm not sure about communism, but from the news that I get down here about the land-of-the-free, I understand that the term "socialism" is a dirty word amongst Americans (albeit I still don't understand the difference between socialism and Mr Sander's use of the term "democratic-socialism").
    This American thinks socialism is a foul concept.. promotes sameness.. creativity and individuality - not so much.

    Are you advocating the communist form of government as being a superior mechanism to mobilize whole-scale change?
    From where did that come? NO! However, under a totalitarian regime one can have done what one wants done - yes? And while China is not as totalitarian as it once was, what the government says does get implemented.

    I agree that Emperor Xi Jiping's particular form of communism is a far cry from the practices of Lenin's Bolsheviks - but perhaps all countries need the firm hand of a megalomaniac dictator and communism for the survival of this beautiful blue planet (man, I hope not)! Is it possible for representative democracy to continue and for a healthy planet to prevail?
    Having sucked oxygen from this blue planet's air space for 62+ years, I am coming to the conclusion that a heavy hand is the only remaining way to get things done. The masses are not being lead by creative leadership that seeks constructive and intelligent input. No, leadership today is all about keeping their spot and preserving/increasing their lot. So, they will say anything to appease the masses and do the things that promote their self interest. For that reason, socialism, democratic republics, communism, all will come up short for none will stick to their principles.. human greed will win the day.

    What say you - has the revolution commenced amongst America's huddled masses (it's OK comrade, Senator McCarthy ain't alive anymore - or is he)?

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    You confuse me Don.. I don't think I was advocating a political position. I see the Chinese as very smart capable people. If their government says do - they will do. Now they may not create the most perfect solution to problems - but you have to admit, they have solved a lot of problems in their nation. For one thing, they get things done through the shear volume of people they have available to work a problem. Right? Just by the numbers, they get more possibilities to solve problems.

    I have been impressed by the diligence of the Chinese people. They pursue problems until they arrive at a workable solution. I don't think that attitude is government mandated. I think that is motivated by their desire to be seen as capable and accepted on the world stage. They know Westerners - and sorry you guys down under are western in your thinking - they know westerners do not respect their abilities. They are working hard to change that. From my chair, they deserve our respect.

    What do I object to with the Chinese? That their morals and ethics are very different than the West. They do not see copying another's work as stealing. They see nothing ethically wrong with copying. They learn from copying. Didn't someone write that imitation is the highest form of praise? We rail against their copying and subsequent sales of copies because it cuts our ability to make money. That's really our only objection to their copying. Lost profits.

    I suppose there are other reasons we rail against them. But, in the main, when I talk with the mechanics, with the business guys and so on (all with Yanping's and Justin's translation help), I find people just like you and me - trying to make a living, trying to provide for a family. Their worries are like ours: health, job, food, house, and what will the government do next to take away my ability to make a living... sound familiar?

    Last, since you egged me into a political conversation, know that I believe the end of it all has already been described and written.... things are getting worse and worse as predicted in the Bible. Incident of catastrophic events is increasing. Incident of conflict between nations - increasing. Hope that one will arise and lead us - increasing - yet will set us up to follow like fools.. The prediction is that One will arise like the one that did in Germany some years ago. His message will appeal to the masses. They'll give him the power he asks for humbly. And then he will exploit it. His regime will grow rich and corrupt just like most have. And what will the end be? Likely another war to end all wars.

    Some say that man will always live in such cycles... I don't share that view. I say some day there has to be a reckoning - a reset - a do over on this thing called humanity. We think we are better for we are more educated that ever man has been educated. Really? Is that what I see in Washington? Beijing? Moscow? Brussels? London? The Middle East? We have the most highly educated population ever in the history of man...and they behave as they are behaving? Really? What have we gained? What have we learned?

    Seems to me we have learned how to be even more ruthless in our pursuit of our own wants and desires. Guilty by the words I utter. I am no different. Perhaps a little different - at least I am willing to admit I am part of the problem.

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    Having sucked oxygen from this blue planet's air space for 62+ years, I am coming to the conclusion that a heavy hand is the only remaining way to get things done. The masses are not being lead by creative leadership that seeks constructive and intelligent input. No, leadership today is all about keeping their spot and preserving/increasing their lot. So, they will say anything to appease the masses and do the things that promote their self interest. For that reason, socialism, democratic republics, communism, all will come up short for none will stick to their principles.. human greed will win the day.
    I have been impressed by the diligence of the Chinese people. They pursue problems until they arrive at a workable solution. I don't think that attitude is government mandated. I think that is motivated by their desire to be seen as capable and accepted on the world stage. They know Westerners - and sorry you guys down under are western in your thinking - they know westerners do not respect their abilities. They are working hard to change that. From my chair, they deserve our respect.
    What do I object to with the Chinese? That their morals and ethics are very different than the West. They do not see copying another's work as stealing. They see nothing ethically wrong with copying. They learn from copying. Didn't someone write that imitation is the highest form of praise? We rail against their copying and subsequent sales of copies because it cuts our ability to make money. That's really our only objection to their copying. Lost profits.
    I suppose there are other reasons we rail against them. But, in the main, when I talk with the mechanics, with the business guys and so on (all with Yanping's and Justin's translation help), I find people just like you and me - trying to make a living, trying to provide for a family. Their worries are like ours: health, job, food, house, and what will the government do next to take away my ability to make a living... sound familiar?
    Indeed



    Some say that man will always live in such cycles... I don't share that view. I say some day there has to be a reckoning - a reset - a do over on this thing called humanity. We think we are better for we are more educated that ever man has been educated. Really? Is that what I see in Washington? Beijing? Moscow? Brussels? London? The Middle East? We have the most highly educated population ever in the history of man...and they behave as they are behaving? Really? What have we gained? What have we learned?
    I think we are no where near where we once were technologically and we don't know shit, even when it comes to our own past!

    Seems to me we have learned how to be even more ruthless in our pursuit of our own wants and desires. Guilty by the words I utter. I am no different. Perhaps a little different - at least I am willing to admit I am part of the problem.
    Guilty myself but we can always still try & do better, no?

    In the NEWS........

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/h...n-patient.html

    Hey what do you know socialized medicine path huh?
    That whole greed thing?

    It is obvious to me that somethings are already socialized, law, government, etc. it's just the degree to what is allowed is the real question huh and when you pay a tax you expect a service for it is only fair, and there are always going to be some lazy or unfortunate but somethings should be more fair although life is not fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Guilty myself but we can always still try & do better, no?
    It is the reason we strive Jack. There is only one we have control of - ourselves. We cannot change any other. We can suggest change by others but we only effect change on ourselves. Each day we should look in that mirror at the mess we see at start of the day and we should work to improve the thing we see. Forget the others around us that we want to change. We can't change them. Only they can choose to change.

    How many times have I failed to hear the words critical of what I am - what I do? Why don't I listen to such? Simple. It's hard to hear. We think we are enlightened and smart, savvy in the ways of this world. We think we are all that.

    I have learned that I am running the race and that I fall short of the mark - that I don't have today all that it takes to make it to the finish. And so I must find somewhere the coaching and the prodding needed to drive me to do better - to run harder or longer - to run and complete that race that has been set before me. And that coach has to be willing to know I am going to fail and yet watch me fail, for it is only by the failure that I learn to do as the coach suggests. We run again and again and again until the muscle memory gets it and we can do that which we should do.


    In the NEWS........

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/h...n-patient.html

    Hey what do you know socialized medicine path huh?
    That whole greed thing?
    Saw that. A race well completed. Give credit to those that found a solution that appears to have worked for two now... and a third is showing signs also. These folks seem to be on the path of an answer... how many times did they doubt, did they stop, did they fail to hit the mark? What elation they must be feeling that a discovery seems to be working.

    It is obvious to me that somethings are already socialized, law, government, etc. it's just the degree to what is allowed is the real question huh and when you pay a tax you expect a service for it is only fair, and there are always going to be some lazy or unfortunate but somethings should be more fair although life is not fair?
    Yes, many things are being socialized in the US - started with FDR during the great depression. Public Works. It seems the world feels that socialism is the best means - that everyone getting their fair cut of the money pie is the solution. And perhaps philosophically, it is the best. The problem is the practice. It will never be properly or fully implemented because greedy ones will find a way to corrupt the wonderful idea. Once again I speak of what is said in the "good" book - "the poor will always be with you." That suggests that the rich will also always be with us for what is the definition of rich? Not poor?

    I wish I had answers - answers that would work for all. Only answer I do have: I am going to continue to work on me. Maybe on the day I draw my final breath, I will be what I am supposed to be. Until then, I will keep running the race, tripping and falling over my own two feet... but hopefully making progress and finding ways to encourage others to try for their own progress.

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    We think we are enlightened and smart, savvy in the ways of this world. We think we are all that.
    Not me, I'm just a dumb asshole that has a stubbornness about him & to try and do what he thinks is right, however, sometimes right is wrong and wrong is right as that race you aforementioned continues now isn't it?
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