Phaeton label files gone missing

We've had a couple Phaeton label files go missing lately.

The TPMS label file disappeared many months ago. I didn't grumble very much because the old label file and redirect table needed some help. I have a new TPMS label file on my Round Tuit list, based on some discoveries I made about correct part number to coding maps, security login, tunable parameters and manual programming options available.

In the very most recent Beta release, the park distance label file also disappeared.

You guys still like Phaetons, right?

Jason

jyoung8607 said:

You guys still like Phaetons, right?

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Yes and in fact that is why I pulled the original files, they were working for some but not all modules. By pulling them for the time being we usually receive more maps, which then makes improving the labels easier.

Sebastian said:

Yes and in fact that is why I pulled the original files, they were working for some but not all modules. By pulling them for the time being we usually receive more maps, which then makes improving the labels easier.

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That is some tough love, man.

I have comprehensive info on the gen-1 Phaeton TPMS system, enough to build a quality label and redirect file set for all older Phaetons. It's a little scattered right now; give me a few days to package it up for you. All the gen-1 controllers should be identical except for coding scheme. I can give you PLB/PLAs for rev-D and rev-G. I'll also send you my proposed new label and redirect file set, but I understand you'll need it done to Ross-Tech standards with translation-ready language and such, so it's fine if you don't end up using it.

The only TPMS controller version I can't help you with is rev-F for MY2008 through 2009.5, which is a special snowflake (gen-2 sensors, but old infotainment system controls). That one can be left as a hanging reference in the redirect file. From MY2009.5 forward, they use Touareg parts operated through the instrument cluster you probably have documented already.

I'm not aware of any issues around the park distance sensor label file. Did it stop working on newer-gen Phaetons or something? I can't recall any gripes on the VWVortex Phaeton forum and we have a fair number of RoW participants.

Jason

Most of the changes which made this necessary seem to effect the 2007+ models, due to similarities we also believe that a lot of that change can be found in the Touareg/Cayenne and Bentley modules. The original files were created before we had the ability to create maps, therefor especially older models of specific build dates aren't as easy to come by. Many customers will not notice if there is something wrong or not, they may notice a value being not properly named but rarely do they contact us and provide feedback. We did receive feedback on this subject, hence the attempt to fix things.

PDC wise I am currently looking for maps from 3D0-919-283-A, 3D0-919-283-B and 3D0-919-283-F but I doubt those can be found on any US model. When it comes to TPMS we have 3D0-907-273-B, 3D0-907-273-B, 3D0-907-273-D, 3D0-907-273-F and 3D0-907-273-G as well as most Bentley ones.

Jason, if you want old label files that are currently missing to drop in your Labels\User folder, just let me know.

-Uwe-

Sebastian said:

Most of the changes which made this necessary seem to effect the 2007+ models, due to similarities we also believe that a lot of that change can be found in the Touareg/Cayenne and Bentley modules.

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Right. This is how Phaeton gen-1 TPMS hardware works, MY2002 through 2007:

3D0 907 273 433MHz through 3D-3-005 225 gen1 hw
3D0 907 273 B 433MHz through 3D-3-006 000 gen1 hw
3D0 907 273 C 433MHz through 3D-4-015 000 gen1 hw
3D0 907 273 D 433MHz through 3D-7-002 500 gen1 hw, updated software
3D0 907 273 G 433MHz gen1 hw, updated software, current replacement for any gen1 433MHz unit

3D0 907 273 A 315MHz through 3D-4-015 000 gen1 hw
3D0 907 273 E 315MHz through 3D-7-002 500 gen1 hw, updated software
3D0 907 273 H 315MHz gen1 hw, updated software, current replacement for any gen1 315MHz unit

The black sheep here is revision -F, which is a gen-2 system for RoW MY2008 through 2009.5. No clue what's in there other than it uses long coding. As long as the redirect file separates revision -F, we should be able to completely correctly cover all of 3D0 907 273. Everything newer than MY2009.5 uses 7L6 907 273 E or 7L6 907 273 G according to my research from a couple years ago.

It's my belief all the gen-1 stuff will show up identical on PLB/PLA dumps. Most of the adaptation blocks are disabled until you use the security login code, so you might not have complete PLA data on file. I could ask around on the Phaeton forum to make sure.

I believe all that will differ is coding schemes. I have a Volkswagen Tech Tip that has info on the North American variants which I will email to you. It refers to software versions instead of part numbers. If I recall correctly, version 21 is all the older stuff, -D/-E is version 25, and -G/-H is version 26. The NAR Tech Tip makes assumptions for equipped brakes and wheel size, but the underlying coding scheme is still there and still works.

There should be excellent crossover here with gen-1 Touareg and Bentley. Michael actually put a Touareg TPMS controller in his Phaeton as an experiment and it worked normally, although it didn't do what he wanted (give us RoW controls instead of nerfed NAR controls). I haven't personally seen data from the Bentley 3W0 variant but I have no reason to doubt it's similar. In fact, I think some of the later Bentleys simply use the 3D0 part outright.

Jason

Uwe said:

Jason, if you want old label files that are currently missing to drop in your Labels\User folder, just let me know.

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I have them, but thank you for the offer.

I do understand why the TPMS files need re-work, and I will try to help if I can.

I don't yet understand why the PDC files need re-work. I'll have to do some research.

Jason

You're pretty much spot on Jason, I'll try to get these things back into the dataset as soon as I can. Thanks for your help.

P.S.: Pulling the PDC files was partly related to the way we used them - and where. For redundancy reasons the idea is to keep as less files as possible, however, sometimes when VW introduces changes after the fact (like 3D0-907-273-F) we tend to struggle and may not even notice that the data doesn't fit. I do have a bunch of similar "revisiting" projects on my todo list, some like the Phaeton files are actually the easy part...

Sebastian said:

P.S.: Pulling the PDC files was partly related to the way we used them - and where. For redundancy reasons the idea is to keep as less files as possible, however, sometimes when VW introduces changes after the fact (like 3D0-907-273-F) we tend to struggle and may not even notice that the data doesn't fit.

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Sure. I meant to say that I understood what VW have changed with TPMS. Unfortunately I haven't any idea what VW have done with PDC in newer cars.

I will always be a squeaky wheel when it comes to Phaeton support in VCDS. However, I always try to bring grease as well.

Jason