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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
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    First check all fuses related to each component and terminal relays for each + known water ingress areas and battery connections.

    Then if unsuccessful there I would unplug all ecu's which are offline on gateway and isolate them, further I would inspect for water ingress & bench COM them for direct verification.
    Thanks Jack! I will follow your protocol for detection and post it as I progress. I have completed fuses and relay checks however will go back and start that process again.

    Thank you for responding your experience is appreciated

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    If key is new and dealer & isn't married.......... why is it not registered as a DTC fault in the 0x05 Kessy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    If key is new and dealer & isn't married.......... why is it not registered as a DTC fault in the 0x05 Kessy?
    That is a good question. Obviously one that you would be in a much better position to answer

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    Check fuses and if Kessy has taken on water...........?

    Does the new dealer key get seen in VCDS advanced measuring blocks of Kessy 0x05?

    Those are questions you need to answer since you are the one with the car in your possession.......please investigate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Check fuses and if Kessy has taken on water...........?

    Does the new dealer key get seen in VCDS advanced measuring blocks of Kessy 0x05?

    Those are questions you need to answer since you are the one with the car in your possession.......please investigate!
    Will do. thanks

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    I had a Kombi T5 and Audi with similar problem with no communication & starting. Both was water ingress/corrosion at a control unit that shorted out the can system without any fuses blown.

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    /\ Indeed RyMar........

    It is a well known issue for the Kessy in this POS to take on water.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Check fuses and if Kessy has taken on water...........?

    Does the new dealer key get seen in VCDS advanced measuring blocks of Kessy 0x05?

    Those are questions you need to answer since you are the one with the car in your possession.......please investigate!

    Jack ran an auto scan and logged 05 blocks. no trouble codes when using non married key. key inserted into ignition switch caused terminal to switch to on, key turn as if to start terminal switched to on. no voltage to activate terminal 50 relay.

    I did not have the time to check the antennae receiver module (kessy?)in the back right corner of vehicle, cannot open liftgate.


    Code:
    Thursday,09,November,2017,15:35:48:43981
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
    Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
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    Mileage: 189640km-117836mi   Repair Order: novembertoday
    
    
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:36:31 Group 001: Terminal Status
      Term 15 Off  Status Terminal 15
      0.0  (no units) 
      OFF  Status Terminal 75X
      Term 50 Off  Status Terminal 50
    
    15:36:31 Group 002: Entry and Start Authorisation Buttons
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) ON
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) START
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) STOP
      00000000  Door Touch Sensors
    
    15:36:31 Group 003: Ignition Switch (E415) I
      ON  Status S-Contact
      ON  Status Terminal 15
      OFF  Status Terminal 50
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:38:22 Group 004: Ignition Switch (E415) II
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) ON
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) START
      OFF  Start Auth. Button (E408) STOP
      OFF  Brake Light Switch (F)
    
    15:38:22 Group 005: Recovery Data
      6.0  Current Recovery Buffer
      0.0  Recovery Data 0 
      2.0  Recovery Data 1 
      792.0  (no units) 
    
    15:38:22 Group 006
      Not Occup.  Serial Bus 
      OFF  Terminal 15R Relay Circuit
      OFF  Terminal 75X Relay Circuit
      OFF  Terminal 50R Relay Circuit
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:39:23 Group 007: Voltages
      13.248 V  Supply Voltage 
      13.248 V  Output Voltage to activate Term. 15
      13.104 V  Output Voltage to activate Term. 75X
      0.000 V  Output Voltage to activate Term. 50
    
    15:39:23 Group 008: Ignition Switch (E415)
           
      Activated  Locked 1 
      Not Oper.  Locked 2 
      Not Oper.  Unlocked 
    
    15:39:23 Group 009
      Not Oper.  Switch Motor 1 Relay 1 Term. 15
      Activated  Switch Motor 2 Relay 2 Term. 15
      ON  K15/P Wire from Ignition Sw. (E415)
      OFF  K15/S Wire from Ignition Sw. (E415)
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:39:49 Group 010
      10.0  Jump-Start Counter
      22523.0  Unlock Counter 
      00000000  Bin. Bits 
      20.0  Wait-Time Preset 
    
    15:39:49 Group 011
      00000000  Remote Control Key
      00000000  Remote Control Command
      0.0  Reception Strength of Remote Control
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:39:54 Group 010
      10.0  Jump-Start Counter
      22523.0  Unlock Counter 
      00000000  Bin. Bits 
      20.0  Wait-Time Preset 
    
    15:39:54 Group 011
      00000000  Remote Control Key
      00000000  Remote Control Command
      0.0  Reception Strength of Remote Control
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:40:17 Group 021
      00000000  Bin. Bits 
      00001001  Bin. Bits 
           
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:40:23 Group 022: Keys I
           
           
           
      4.0  Number of matched Keys
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:40:39 Group 023: Keys II
      Yes  Authentication 
      No  Engine Control Unit authorized
      No  Key-ID authorized
      6.0  Immobilizer Status 
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:40:42 Group 023: Keys II
      Yes  Authentication 
      No  Engine Control Unit authorized
      No  Key-ID authorized
      6.0  Immobilizer Status 
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:40:57 Group 024
      0.0  Login-Lock (for Adaptation)
      249.0  Remaining Free Starts
      0.0  Drive Enable 
      30.0  End of Line Timeout
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:41:15 Group 027: Door Touch Sensors
      0.0  Lock-Out Time Touch Sensors
      10.0  False Triggering Configuration
      10.0  Current Counter False Triggering
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:41:20 Group 026: Advanced Key
      0.0  (no units) 
      0.0  (no units) 
      0.0  (no units) 
      0.0  Total Number of Authentications
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:41:23 Group 025
      0.0  Warning Text to Instr. Cluster
      0.0  Warning Message to Instr. Cluster
      0.0  Advanced Key Error Message
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:41:30 Group 028
      17.0  (no units) 
      16.0  (no units) 
      52.0  (no units) 
      19.0  (no units) 
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:41:52 Group 050: CAN-Messages from Central Electronics (J519)
      OFF  Tailgate Lock 
      OFF  Locked (internal)
      OFF  Locked (external)
      OFF  Safed (external)
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:42:01 Group 051: CAN-Messages from Driver's Door Control Unit (J386)
      ON  Driver's Door Opened
      OFF  Driver's Door Locked
      OFF  Driver's Door Safed
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:42:52 Group 090: CAN-Gateway
      ON  Engine 1 Old 
      OFF  Clutch Switch 
      OFF  Brake Light Switch 
      OFF  Brake Test Switch 
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:43:01 Group 091: CAN-Gateway
           
       0  Selector Lever Position
      ON  Brake 1 Old 
      ON  Gearbox 1 Old 
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:43:26 Group 128: Terminals
      OFF  Status Terminal S
           
      ON  Status Terminal P
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:43:33 Group 129: Gear Status
           
      ON  Gear P 
      PN Inactive  Gear PN 
           
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.
    Control Module Part Number: 4F0 910 852 
      Component and/or Version: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H31 0220
               Software Coding: 0000131
                Work Shop Code: WSC 31414
                          VCID: 6390A7A1775F04CF268-8036
               Additional Info: 4F0910131J  FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H45 0080   
               Additional Info: Geraet 00001
    
    Advanced Identification
         Serial number: 10601100607161
         Identification: MDW-RTH
         Revision: 31050601
         Date: 10.11.06
         Test stand number: 2503
         Manufacturer number: 1334
    Flash Status
         Programming Attempts: 0
         Successful Attempts: 0
         Programming Status: 00000000
         Required Conditions: 00011000
         Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00001
         Flash Date: --.--.--
    Software
         K2.8.10  
    Misc.
         Hardware number: 4F0 905 852 B
         Lot Number: 242
         Immo Challenge: 41 5A EA 56
    Car Info
         Chassis Number: WA1BY74L27D068988
    VCDS Info:
           VCID: 6390A7A1775F04CF268-8036
           Labels: 4F0-910-852.CLB
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:46:49
      Term 15 Off   Status Terminal 15
      OFF   Status Terminal 75X
      Term 50 Off   Status Terminal 50
      ON   Status S-Contact
      ON   Status Terminal 15
      OFF   Status Terminal 50
      OFF   Terminal 15R Relay Circuit
      OFF   Terminal 75X Relay Circuit
      OFF   Terminal 50R Relay Circuit
      13.248 V   Output Voltage to activate Term. 15
      13.104 V   Output Voltage to activate Term. 75X
      0.000 V   Output Voltage to activate Term. 50
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.  (4F0 910 852 )
    
    15:48:33
      4.0   Number of matched Keys
      Yes   Authentication 
      No   Engine Control Unit authorized
      No   Key-ID authorized
      6.0   Immobilizer Status 
      0.0   Login-Lock (for Adaptation)
      249.0   Remaining Free Starts
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Address 05: DTCs cleared
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Address 61: DTCs cleared
    Last edited by Uwe; 11-10-2017 at 08:19 AM. Reason: QUOTE -> CODE

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    Verify wiring, controllers isolated COM, grounds, terminal relays + switches using WD, inspect all modules internally for water damage or ingress change Kessy or module's needed ..........marry key.

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