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    I Need tissues for my CCM Coding Issues.

    Hey guys,

    Having some trouble with an A4.

    Water ingress to the CCM in the footwell, Wiring appears to be fine, Old CCM can be read when its at a certain angle but comes up with lots of codes when it does read, i am guessing these are just due to the water ingress.

    Purchased a New, Sealed CCM from TPS with the same part number bar the letter on the end changed from a C to a D, i queried this and have been told it is just a super-seeded part number.

    Read the original coding and the workshop number, saved both of these to the new module just by going coding then editing the figures, coding accepted.

    Was advised that the Submodules 3 and 4 were missing and needed to be coded in via channel 61 and 62, this was done to match the old CCM.

    The issues that i now have is that i can not get the key remotes to sync with the car, SO far i have tried:
    Channel 1 factory reset on the CCM to enable the learning of the remotes.
    Channel 21, Learning the keys to spaces 1 and 2.
    Syncing the fobs in the door and ignition.
    Checking channel 007 to see if they are synced and neither of the keys have.

    Have tried this in various sequence and different ways. Also checked the old CCM if i could sync the keys and they could easily be synced withe the key in the door process.
    Things i have also tried that probably would have any effect,
    Disconnecting the battery for a while
    Clearing codes in between
    Tried forgetting the keys on the old module but didn't seem to work when i checked 007 they were both still stored. (This makes me think that i may be doing something wrong in the learning process too)

    Is there part of coding in a module that i am missing? Should the module have different coding being super-seeded? What are the chances of the module Being Faulty?

    Seem to have tried everything that i can find on Ross Tech but not making any progress.

    Any help, suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Most recent scan

    Code:
    VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   License Plate: A9FEG
    Mileage: 250380km-155578mi   Repair Order: 3
       VCID: 62887C23EC642B56FC-5184
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
                07-00 - Signal too Low
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
       Component: int. Lastmodul  RDW 0517
       Coding: 01001
       Shop #: WSC 63251
       VCID: 3522F77F0D6AECEE69-4B1E
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 959 655 J
       Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1002
       Coding: 0010602
       Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
       VCID: 3E30E853685C2FB6B8-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
       Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611
       Coding: 00042
       Shop #: WSC 63251
       VCID: 3E30E853385C2FB6B8-4B1E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 920 950 M
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42
       Coding: 01401
       Shop #: WSC 00006
       VCID: 3326C967031EF2DE47-5184
       WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275
    
    4 Faults Found:
    01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
                30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01176 - Key
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 951 177
       Component: Innenraumueberw.   0704
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000
       VCID: 6B9611071BAE6A1E4F-5118
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
       Component: Komfortgerát TBF    1712
       Coding: 07115
       Shop #: WSC 63251
       VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B1E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
       Component: Tőrsteuer.FS BRM 0003
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
       Component: Tőrsteuer.BF BRM 0003
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HL BRM 0004
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HR BRM 0004
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01559 - Drivers Door
                61-00 - Won't De-Safe
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 035 195 M
       Component: symphony II NP2    0410
       Coding: 01001
       Shop #: WSC 00512
       VCID: 312AC36FFA02C0CE35-5066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
       Part No: 8Z0 919 283 A
       Component: Parkingsyst. A4 RDW D09
       Coding: 00114
       Shop #: WSC 63251
       VCID: 43C699A750BE425ED7-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:33, VBatt start/end: 14.1V/14.2V)-----------

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boam View Post
    Purchased a New, Sealed CCM from TPS with the same part number bar the letter on the end changed from a C to a D
    Confused. What you have in there now (in the scan) is 8E0-959-433-BC. Is this the old one or the new one? Please provide the full part number of the other one as well.

    -Uwe-
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    Hi Uwe,

    That is the new scan with the new module on, Old scan is as follows. Part number seems to be the same on the scan but the new module definitely had a D instead of the C at the end of the part number. could this be something i have not coded correctly?

    Code:
    VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   License Plate: A9FEG
    Mileage: 250380km-155578mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
              67 69 75 76 77
     
    VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   Mileage: 250380km-155578miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.lbl
       Part No: 038 906 019 LJ
       Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  5934  
       Coding: 00003
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 6A9814031454731634-4B1E
       WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275
    
    1 Fault Found:
    17994 - Engine Mount Solenoid Valves (N144/N145) 
                P1586 - 35-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 614 517 A
       Component: ABS/ESP allrad      3429  
       Coding: 04255
       Shop #: WSC 06435  
       VCID: 26002033C0CC9776D0-51F2
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 820 043 AC
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   1323  
       Coding: 00000
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 62887C23EC642B56FC-5160
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65) 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
       Component: int. Lastmodul  RDW 0517  
       Coding: 01001
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 3522F77F0D6AECEE69-4B00
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 959 655 J
       Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1002  
       Coding: 0010602
       Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
       VCID: 3E30E853685C2FB6B8-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
       Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611  
       Coding: 00042
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 3E30E853385C2FB6B8-4B00
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 920 950 M
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42  
       Coding: 01401
       Shop #: WSC 00006  
       VCID: 3326C967031EF2DE47-5184
       WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01176 - Key 
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 951 177 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.   0704  
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 6B9611071BAE6A1E4F-5118
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
       Component: Komfortgerát T3B    1412  
       Coding: 07115
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
       Component: Tőrsteuer.FS BRM 0003  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
       Component: Tőrsteuer.BF BRM 0003  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HL BRM 0004  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
       Component: Tőrsteuer.HR BRM 0004  
    
    16 Faults Found:
    01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
                37-00 - Faulty
    01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
                80-00 - Single-Wire Operation
    01403 - Glass-Break Sensors; Rear 
                36-00 - Open Circuit
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    00457 - Control Module for Network (J519) 
                49-00 - No Communications
    01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01559 - Drivers Door 
                61-00 - Won't De-Safe
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No: 8E0 035 195 M
       Component: symphony II NP2    0410   
       Coding: 01001
       Shop #: WSC 00512  
       VCID: 312AC36FFA02C0CE35-5066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
       Part No: 8Z0 919 283 A
       Component: Parkingsyst. A4 RDW D09  
       Coding: 00114
       Shop #: WSC 63251  
       VCID: 43C699A750BE425ED7-5160
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----(Elapsed Time: 05:34, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.8V)-----
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Address 46,8E0 959 433 BD,recoded (Short coding),from,06730,to,07115,(00000/---/-----),
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Address 46: DTCs cleared
    Last edited by Boam; 10-03-2017 at 05:05 PM.

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    Double checked today, the new module is showing the old part number through VCDS.

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    Firstly, I love the subject!

    My email suggestions (Oct, 2nd) were:
    Code:
    According to the parts catalog it looks like 8E0 959 433 BC was replaced
    by the installed 8E0 959 433 BD so it should be compatible with the car
    and remotes. Please make sure I have the original and new modules
    labeled correctly below.
    
    Original:
     > Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
     >     Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
     >     Component: Komfortgerát T3B    1412
     >     Coding: 07115
     >     Shop #: WSC 63251
     >     VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B00
     >
     >     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.FS BRM 0003
     >
     >     Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.BF BRM 0003
     >
     >     Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.HL BRM 0004
     >
     >     Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.HR BRM 0004
    
    New:
     > Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MIN.clb
     >     Part No: 8E0 959 433 BD
     >     Component: Komfortgerát TBF    1712
     >     Coding: 07115
     >     Shop #: WSC 63251
     >     VCID: 74A40A7B4690B5E69E-4B00
     >
     >     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.FS BRM 0003
     >
     >     Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
     >     Component: Tőrsteuer.BF BRM 0003
    
    
    The missing rear doors (subsystems) are a concern.  Please make sure
    Adaptation channels 061 and 062 are configured properly:
    
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...Comfort_System
    
    The remote fob related PR code for this VIN is 5D1 "Carrier frequency
    433.92 MHz-434.42 Mhz" so another thing we can verify is the frequency
    shown on the fob itself in addition to the part number.  I believe the
    factory remote would be: 8Z0 837 231 D
    I believe we confirmed:
    Original:
    > Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
    > Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC

    New:
    > Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MIN.clb
    > Part No: 8E0 959 433 BD

    Providing the parts catalog is correct that appears to be OK but I don't like that fact that the original was a MAX (high end) and the replacement is a MIN. That may or may not be relevant but most direct replacements get upgraded from min to max.

    I am glad to see all 4 door modules decided to appear as slaves after adapting the module BUT all of the scans we have with 8E0 959 433 BD installed only have 2 slaves.

    > Coding: 06601
    > Coding: 06859
    > Coding: 06986

    That really makes me question the accuracy of the parts catalog. Please try one of the above (incorrect) coding strings as a test to see if any allow you to match the remotes.

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