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    Support for Polo 6C

    Hello guys!

    I've seen this quite a few times, reading up the forum but ... I think it's for the best to just open a new thread.
    Unfortunately, every time I try opening the Long Coding Helper, I get the following:



    I have to accept the Experimental coding in order to see some parameters, most of them are not correctly translated, or translated at all.
    Either way, I found the headlight washer system Bit, checked it, saved it, coding accepted.

    Wiring is all done, everything is ok, problem is, BCM is just not triggering the washer system relay (J39) .. ( washer fluid level sensor installed, works fine -- enough fluid in the tank ), holding down the windshield washer for more than 3 seconds, with the headlights on, even engine running, nothing happening.



    Connected the relay GND and BCM wire to trigger the switch, works fine, which leaves me with "faulty coding".
    Seems like the BCM simply does not want to send current down the washer system wire.

    I've sent an Autoscan and the channels admap / measuring values here, at support@rt, last week .. received a confirmation reply.

    Code:
    Saturday,09,September,2017,19:05:08:58812
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
    Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFYXXXXXX   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 28624km-17786mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 6R-VW26 (6C0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 44 5F
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ6RZFY146290   Mileage: 28624km-17786miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J000-CUSA)       Labels:. 04B-907-445-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04B 906 027     HW: 04B 907 445 
       Component: R3 1,4 DCM6.2 H07 8205  
       Revision: 21003001    
       Coding: 01114012432401080000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TDI03004B906027 003019
       ROD: EV_ECM14TDI03004B906027B.rod
       VCID: 5EE697A3B0B9CE37096-800A
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: N/A
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 G    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
       Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0003  
       Serial number: 08503245140827
       Coding: 21DD2485892733C6091610720051842491CC90080007C9098F00
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100018
       ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
       VCID: 333016176BBB335F968-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J65)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 6C0 819 045 C    HW: 6C0 819 045 C
       Component: Heizung       H02 0103  
       Serial number:  1405291B-1136
       Coding: 201000000000000200
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HZGManueHMMValeoPQ26 001001
       ROD: EV_HZGManueHMMValeoPQ26.rod
       VCID: 2708F247AF634FFF3A0-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:* None
       Part No HW: 6C0 937 089 
       Component: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H06 0047  
       Serial number: 009458017422
       Coding: 000008404253005B4B844000400F078800005B0251010000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 004003
       ROD: EV_BCMA0_004_VW26.rod
       VCID: 55F4888FC58F0D6F58C-8000
    
       Drivers Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AT    HW: 6R0 959 801 AT  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8612 
       Serial number: KU0KU001091442441673
       Coding: 0400A0
    
       Front Passengers Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BE    HW: 6R0 959 802 BE  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8612 
       Serial number: KU0KU003091442468341
       Coding: 1400A0
    
       Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 N    HW: 6R0 959 811 N
       Component: J388__TSG_HL  003 8610 
       Serial number: KU0KU009091442525731
       Coding: 0400A0
    
       Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 N    HW: 6R0 959 812 N
       Component: J389__TSG_HR  003 8610 
       Serial number: KU0KU010091442532611
       Coding: 1400A0
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 6C0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 A    HW: 6C0 959 655 A
       Component: VW20Airbag00Z 001 0330  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003LM004MBGD
       Coding: 88C0C000000000005C000000000800000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
       VCID: 313C1C1F91A7014FE44-8064
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 308 14
       Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800 
       Serial number: 3575H00BB15739C1930N
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 308 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800 
       Serial number: 3585H00062837AA1D2AO
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 609 14
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148 
       Serial number: 3517A00C31725223B22Z
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 609 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148 
       Serial number: 3527A00C31725220B17.
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 920 741 A    HW: 6C0 920 741 A
       Component: KOMBI         211 0290  
       Coding: 472509002180000800083A001000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009040
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
       VCID: 211CEC5FC147B1CF744-8074
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 6C0-909-901-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 089 
       Component: GW MQB A0     H06 0047  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 009458017422
       Coding: 030100044F0A590071000000000000010001000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 001001
       ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_VW26.rod
       VCID: 6594B84F95EF9DEFC8C-8030
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
       Serial number: 2411422172402137AD1B
       Coding: 280000
    
       Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A
       Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223 
       Serial number: 61247G58362821697892
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:| 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 M    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
       Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3211  
       Serial number: PE9J0052
       Coding: 0007
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_011.rod
       VCID: 323E131394A13A579DE-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 035 869 B    HW: 6C0 035 869 B
       Component: MU-E--ER      820 6220  
       Serial number: 26081400010666
       Coding: 02620000BE00000041110001000000001F0004840000010000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001017
       ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW12.rod
       VCID: 2A0E0B73BC71729725E-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 00:41, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V)-----------
    Any idea ... any other advice ? I'm just trying to split the wire and measure it with a voltmeter, see if there's anything at all flowing through that wire while washing the windscreen.

    I'm coming my original post here ( more detailed ): https://uk-polos.net/viewtopic.php?f...70119&start=30

    Please advise .. when can I expect my BCM to be supported by VCDS, given it's around for 3 years now ..

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    Interesting case. This module should have been covered since 2015 and looking at past Auto-Scan's from other customers, it was in fact covered.

    Looking closer at your Auto-Scan, there is a communication error which results in VCDS not reading the software part number from this specific control module and only the hardware part number is read. Due to that error, VCDS isn't able to match the proper label file and instead offers the experimental coding info instead. So to sum this up, the communication error is the reason for you not seeing what you need to see and that needs to be addressed.

    This is what you should see...

    Code:
       Part No SW: 6C0 937 089     HW: 6C0 937 089
    ...while yours shows...

    Code:
       Part No HW: 6C0 937 089
    ...and now the question is, has this always been the case for you (got any older Auto-Scans to double check?)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastian View Post
    Interesting case. This module should have been covered since 2015 and looking at past Auto-Scan's from other customers, it was in fact covered.
    Hello Sebastian and thanks for the fast reply. Sorry for being late, wasn't around today.

    To answer your question, yes, it has always been the same. At first, I bought some aftermarket vcds cable, didn't have any idea what Ross Tech is, or anything. Here is a scan from 2 months ago, with the aftermarket cable:

    Code:
    Chassis Type: 6R (6C0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 44 5F
     
    Mileage: 27512km-17095miles
     
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J000-CUSA)       Labels: 04B-907-445-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 04B 906 027     HW: 04B 907 445
       Component: R3 1,4 DCM6.2 H07 8205  
       Revision: 21003001    
       Coding: 01114012432401080000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TDI03004B906027 003019
       ROD: EV_ECM14TDI03004B997027B.rod
       VCID: 5EB3F85D41E606B1BB-800A
     
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: N/A
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 G    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
       Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0003  
       Serial number: 08503245140827
       Coding: 21DD2485892733C6091610720051842491CC90080007C9098F00
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100018
       ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
       VCID: 336579E99AE4FBD924-8066
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J65)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 6C0 819 045 C    HW: 6C0 819 045 C
       Component: Heizung       H02 0103  
       Serial number:  1405291B-1136
       Coding: 201000000000000200
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HZGManueHMMValeoPQ26 001001
       ROD: EV_HZGManueHMMValeoPQ26_VW26.rod
       VCID: 275D9DB95E3C877988-8072
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: None
       Part No HW: 6C0 937 089
       Component: BCM PQ26 Hi4R H06 0047  
       Serial number: 009458017422
       Coding: 000008404253005B4B8440004007038800005B0251010000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 004003
       ROD: EV_BCMA0_004_VW26.rod
       VCID: 55A1E77134D0C5E9EA-8000
     
       Drivers Door Control Module:
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AT    HW: 6R0 959 801 AT  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
       Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8612
       Serial number: KU0KU001091442441673
       Coding: 0400A0
     
       Front Passengers Door Control Module:
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BE    HW: 6R0 959 802 BE  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
       Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8612
       Serial number: KU0KU003091442468341
       Coding: 1400A0
     
       Drivers Door Rear Control Module:
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 N    HW: 6R0 959 811 N
       Component: J388__TSG_HL  003 8610
       Serial number: KU0KU009091442525731
       Coding: 0400A0
     
       Passengers Rear Door Control Module:
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 N    HW: 6R0 959 812 N
       Component: J389__TSG_HR  003 8610
       Serial number: KU0KU010091442532611
       Coding: 1400A0
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 6C0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 A    HW: 6C0 959 655 A
       Component: VW20Airbag00Z 001 0330  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003LM004MBGD
       Coding: 88C0C000000000005C000000000800000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
       VCID: 316973E160F8C9C956-8064
     
       Side Sensor Driver Front:
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 308 14
       Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800
       Serial number: 3575H00BB15739C1930N
       Coding: 2D2D2D
     
       Side Sensor Passenger Front:
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 820 308 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800
       Serial number: 3585H00062837AA1D2AO
       Coding: 2D2D2D
     
       Side Sensor Driver Rear:
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 609 14
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148
       Serial number: 3517A00C31725223B22Z
       Coding: 2D2D2D
     
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear:
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 609 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148
       Serial number: 3527A00C31725220B17.
       Coding: 2D2D2D
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 920 741 A    HW: 6C0 920 741 A
       Component: KOMBI         211 0290  
       Coding: 472509002180000800083A001000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009040
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
       VCID: 214983A130187949C6-8074
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 6C0-909-901-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 089
       Component: GW MQB A0     H06 0047  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 009458017422
       Coding: 030100044F0A590071000000000000010001000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 001001
       ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_VW26.rod
       VCID: 65C1D7B164B055697A-8030
     
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module:
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019
       Serial number: 2411422172402137AD1B
       Coding: 280000
     
       Battery Monitoring Control Module:
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A
       Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223
       Serial number: 61247G58362821697892
     
    1 Fault Found:
    197175 - Control unit for battery monitoring
              U1050 00 [008] - No Communication
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 47
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 27320 km
                        Date: 2017.06.26
                        Time: 00:00:02
     
                        Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.5 V
                        Terminal 15: OFF
     
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels: 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 M    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
       Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3211  
       Serial number: PE9J0052
       Coding: 0007
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 011021
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_011.rod
       VCID: 326B7CED65FEF2D12F-8066
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
       Part No SW: 6C0 035 869 B    HW: 6C0 035 869 B
       Component: MU-E--ER      820 6220  
       Serial number: 26081400010666
       Coding: 02620000BE00000041110001000000001F0004840000010000
       Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001017
       ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW12.rod
       VCID: 2A5B648D4D2EBA1197-807E
     
    No fault code found.
    So, when I tried coding it the first time ... I saw the same error ... then I've looked around .. did some research, found out about Ross-Tech and I thought to myself, it's something with the cable not being OEM. That's when I decided to order a HEX-NET V2.

    Sad was the moment when I saw the same error.

    One thing to mention is that when I try and do the channel adaptation maps, and type in 09 address, there's always this error



    Don't know if it matters, but I click OK, it shows an empty adaptation map channel, where you can either hit add to log or go back, and it cancel's the mapping.

    Not sure if it's related, I could make a screen recording if it helps, let me know

    Please advise

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    I have seen cases, where non-genuine VCDS hardware caused modules to crash due to communication irregularities, in most cases a power cycle fixed this while in more rare scenarios a full power down was required. What I would do is make sure the module is completely offline by pulling all its fuses (I am not a fan of removing the battery entirely, so go with the fuses first). Leave it offline for at least 15 minutes and then put them back in and try again. In addition, if this was my car I'd talk to my VW dealer and have them update that module. Per TPI 2043247 there is an update which should bump your module from 6C0-937-089-A @ 0047 to 6C0-937-089-D @ 0094 which is IMO definitely worth doing considering how many troubles those BCMs used to have.
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    I think the battery's been unplugged quite a few times now, working on AFS / BiXenon, for even more than 15 minutes, I'll just leave it unplugged again tomorrow, for more time this round, see how that turns up.

    Regarding that upgrade, do you know what it involves ? I'm new to all of this, just got used to electric schemas, BCM, CAN Bus and coding stuff. That TPI thing is over my head ... what exactly do I need to ask them ? Guess it's a software update ?

    If so, could I do it myself ? Tried googling it up, since I don't have any VW dealership anywhere near I live ..

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    Found a VW dealership ~250km from my place. Will try scheduling an appointment there, is there anything else I could do or try meanwhile ?

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    We could do some debugging on our end to ensure the HEX-V2/HEX-NET works properly and doesn't "miss" the part number, though I would leave that decision to Uwe/Eric. I don't see anything right now which you could do in the meanwhile.
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    I'm currently having a courtesy car and the byte 13 bit 4 is enabled. It goes on the fifth cycle, with headlights on.

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    Guess then I'll just have to wait until they get me that upgrade. Do you think that would fix this issue though ? Otherwise, only workaround I could think of is to find someone that has my particular BCM and ask him to send me some screenshots with each byte page.

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    it's not a B but a D: http://imgur.com/a/Y2FgR

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