MK7 golf, disable Hill Hold

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Hello,

I'd like to disable the hill hold function on my 2015 Golf SportWagen with 6 speed manual.
There are instructions for the MK6 but they don't quite work for the MK7, no choices when you get to the long coding helper for ABS Byte 16, if that's even the right location for the MK7.
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpost.php?p=690843&postcount=196


Code:
Thursday,24,August,2017,13:20:20:48918
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1  HEX-NET CB: 0.4401.4
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
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VIN: 3VWFA7AU7FM508616   License Plate: 
Mileage: 8503km-5283mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2B 42 44 52 5F 75

VIN: 3VWFA7AU7FM508616   Mileage: 8503km-5283miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CRUA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 021 C    HW: 04L 907 309 
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H23 9282  
   Revision: 85H23---    
   Coding: 01190012032410081000
   Shop #: WSC 09461 444 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021C 004014
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906021C_004.rod
   VCID: 25023685245E106ED9-8070

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 P    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
   Component: ESC           H32 0385  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 50625000001998
   Coding: 04FA6AA124200974007D020181C92520562490004081A4B200630050C002
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_034_VW37.rod
   VCID: 47DE9C0DFE12E27E0B-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 
   Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604  
   Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0361024578
   Coding: 030C0C
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
   ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3A38F5F9BDE08F9684-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 5G0-907-426.clb
   Part No SW: 5GM 907 426     HW: 5GM 907 426 
   Component: AC Manuell    H02 1001  
   Revision: 00001K01    
   Coding: 02020104202100000000000010000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 003019
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_003.rod
   VCID: 05425605849E306EB9-8050

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Refrigerant Pressure And Temperature Sender: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-BV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 Q    HW: 5Q0 937 087 Q
   Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0145  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 86580702152123
   Coding: 000108424041804169E44000000403001800000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00076
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 014004
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_014.rod
   VCID: 49DA9A35E806140E1D-801C

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5GM 955 119     HW: 5GM 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    141205  043 0581 
   Serial number:         150402032925
   Coding: 0E4DDD

1 Fault Found:
329480 - Heated Passenger Seat 
          B1806 F0 [008] - Safety Shut-Off due to Occupant Detection
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Reset counter: 251
                    Mileage: 280 km
                    Date: 2013.01.14
                    Time: 16:46:10


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
   Component: AirbagVW20    009 0825  
   Serial number: 003GCR01DELL
   Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002138
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 47DE9C0DFE12E27E0B-8012

   Occupant Detection: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0021 
   Serial number: IBH0000J150002IIIP0N
   Coding: 303138

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 003 001 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3570000000047959321C
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 302 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 358000000001CC410317
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 302 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3510002B71901D9341C$
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 302 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3520002B71901D90F2D7
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 302 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3550002AB196FF51F0DU
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Passenger: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 302 15
   Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3560002B71901D93E2AA
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 AT    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0175  
   Revision: FF032032    Serial number: 20150210500268
   Coding: 0400
   Shop #: WSC 66564 385 16448
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 04444B018FA40966AE-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5G1 920 841     HW: 5G1 920 841 
   Component: KOMBI         243 4270  
   Coding: 0BA412122180CF0502086A001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00064
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009037
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
   VCID: 6582768564DED06E19-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 530 L
   Component: GW MQB Mid    211 2203  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 06031510001169
   Coding: 0901000800087300EF000008080F00000001050000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewConti 011020
   ROD: EV_GatewConti_011.rod
   VCID: 71AA12D5A0160CCE75-8024

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 P    HW: 5G0 959 442 P  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H16 0101 
   Serial number: 29150000484830125112
   Coding: 30FFFF

   Power Converter DC AC: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 155 A    HW: 5Q0 907 155 A
   Component: WECHSELRICHTE  H53 0041 
   Serial number: 0033852             

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:| 5Q0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
   Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15000042994001
   Coding: 5500000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB_004_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3424DBC19F8479E65E-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 393 B    HW: 5Q0 959 393 B
   Component: TSG FS        020 0025  
   Serial number: 170315060505IX
   Coding: 003013200000040000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3E30F9E9A1C8A3B6B8-806A

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 D    HW: 5Q4 959 811 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG DRV  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000000941806
   Coding: 011000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 R    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  126 1061  
   Coding: 0102
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00064
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB.rod
   VCID: 43C6881DCA2ACE5ED7-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 B    HW: 5Q0 959 392 B
   Component: TSG BFS       020 0025  
   Serial number: 03031506050B2T
   Coding: 003013200000040000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3D32FEE5ACCEB8AEA1-8068

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 D    HW: 5Q4 959 812 D  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG PSG  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000000920730
   Coding: 091000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD1.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 844     HW: 5G0 035 844 
   Component: MU-S-S-US     014 0645  
   Serial number: V7B00303150400
   Coding: 02730200FF00000021220001001800001F0100140100010002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CPASE 002040
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CPASE_VW37.rod
   VCID: 64846B816FE4A9660E-8030

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 919 605 H    HW: 5G0 919 605 H
   Component: ABT_Std_Plus  H60 0030 
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9PS5017KR      

1 Fault Found:
0020 - Tuner for Satelite Radio 
          B11CF 53 [009] - Deactivated
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 28
                    Mileage: 349 km
                    Date: 2017.04.21
                    Time: 15:50:15

                    Voltage terminal 30: 12.6 V
                    Satellite radio tuner status-Satellite radio antenna status: Electrical OK
                    Satellite radio tuner status-Channel selection for satellite radio: 0
                    Satellite radio tuner status-Audio Signal: Not available
                    Satellite radio tuner status-Antenna current: 0 mA
                    Satellite radio tuner status-Reception quality: Not available
                    Satellite radio tuner status-SDARS Flash Regional code: US_Audio_Traffic_Travellink


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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 5QE-035-285.clb
   Part No SW: 5QE 035 285 A    HW: 5QE 035 285 A
   Component: OCULowMQBUS   007 0564  
   Coding: 02730202C2821A017F1E06000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00322
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULowMQB 001003
   ROD: EV_OCULowMQB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 43C6881DCA2ACE5ED7-8016

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:20, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.4V)-----------

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated,

Grigg
 
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Curious: Why do you want to disable it?

The ABS in this car is completely different than in the MK6. I do not see a straightforward way of disabling it entirely, but there seem to be some Adaptation channels that might allow alterning its behavior:

MAS02138 - Hill-start assistant (Early/Late/Normal)
MAS08145 - Hill-start assistant: increase threshold (%)

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Personal preference, I am very comfortable driving a manual and how the hill holder operates sometimes fights me, it can require more clutch slipping and throttle than necessary.
It often fights me when leaving a parking spot, which I have gotten around by not using the foot brake then release the hand brake and drive away, feels like I'm playing games with the car..
Sometimes it's just fine, but I still don't need it.

I have been using the "Early" setting and it is slightly less obtrusive, but it still functions.

The "increase threshold" adaptation I don't understand. Mine is set at 3% so I tried 0% thinking "nothing" compared to "something" would be noticeable, but I couldn't tell a difference, and it did still function.
Without understanding what that % means or does I wasn't comfortable playing with it much more.

Thanks,
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OK, if anyone knows how to disable Hill-Hold in this ABS, please chime in.

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^^^^^ Uwe: the generally accepted method for enabling/disabling Hill Hold on 3Q0 907 379 units is to set/unset Byte 25, Bit 0 and Bit 1.

In Crigg's auto scan, the code string for the module @ address Hex03 is
Code:
04FA6AA124200974007D020181C92520562490004081A4B200630050C002

So the mod is to change this to :

Code:
04FA6AA124200974007D020181C92520562490004081A4B200600050C002

Don
 
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Thanks Don,
I'll try that first thing tomorrow.

Grigg
 
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^^^^^ Uwe: the generally accepted method for enabling/disabling Hill Hold on 3Q0 907 379 units is to set/unset Byte 25, Bit 0 and Bit 1.

In Grigg's auto scan, the code string for the module @ address Hex03 is
Code:
04FA6AA124200974007D020181C92520562490004081A4B200630050C002

So the mod is to change this to :

Code:
04FA6AA124200974007D020181C92520562490004081A4B200600050C002

Don

Thanks Much Don,
This worked perfectly! I'm very pleased to have the hill holder disabled on my MK7.

Thanks again,
Grigg
 
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Thanks for this Thread.
Is this the same way for enabling the Hill Hold function? Or is there special hardware required or something?

If yes, whats the result when the Hill Hold switch is not present?
Does this also work on 8V0 907 379?
 
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So I'll have to post my scan, but is it just a matter of changing byte 25 to 0? I've hated hill hold ever since I got my car. It's fought me on many occasions.
 
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So I'll have to post my scan, but is it just a matter of changing byte 25 to 0? I've hated hill hold ever since I got my car. It's fought me on many occasions.
Looks to me like people are only setting two bits (Bit 0 and Bit 1) to zero while leaving the other 6 bits alone.

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Correct, so it byte 25 now reads 60 instead of 63
 
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Correct, so it byte 25 now reads 60 instead of 63

Awesome thank you! I was interpreting it as a single digit instead of 2, my fault! Will do this tonight and report back. Need to figure out how to disable the torque limiting as well. Right now it's set to weak but I can't find a setting for off. Hopefully this helps!
 
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Looks to me like people are only setting two bits (Bit 0 and Bit 1) to zero while leaving the other 6 bits alone.

-Uwe-

Uwe: I don't mean to be a pedant, but I have corresponded with forum colleagues (on other sites) who have indicated that it's possible to disable Hill Hold by just setting Byte 25, Bit 0=0 (i.e without changing Bit 1), but this hasn't worked for other folks.

As you will be aware, explanations for the code-string on the hex03 module are as rare as rocking horse sh#t! My general deduction from viewing auto-scan from MQB vehicles where I know HH is present is that invariably both Bit 1 and Bit 0 is set on Byte 25. But this is purely an observational hypothesis.

I suspect that RT's office holds the answer to many MQB secrets (not generally available to us mere mortals) given the expertise that you guys demonstrate with impressive rapidity in your responses on this forum. One of the things on my bucket-list is understanding the role of Byte 25, Bit 1 on MQB ABS modules - can RT help with this mystery?

Don
 
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