Retrofitted RLS and Autolights

kjrehsi · Jul 3, 2017

Hi Guys,

I recently completed a personal project of retrofitting RLS to my 2012 SKODA FL Octavia VRS and it works brilliantly. So recently added a autolight switch and am not sure it is working to the best of its ability. What I mean by this is that it seems confusing as to when it switches the light on / off and the CH/LH lights as well.

Basically I have notices the following after fitting the AutoLight switch
1. The lights came on yesterday right after the car wash and then it remained on for a while even with the Sun light directly shinning on the car. :dull:
The lights came on again after a brief break but this time the sun wasn't shinning but there was still considerable outside light?!?!?
2. The CH/LH only seem to come on when it is pitch dark? not sure if this is normal behavior as I have seen other VAG cars where if there is still outside light the LH would come on.

I have noticed in VCDS 09 Centl Elect > RLS there are few settings to adjust the Light threshold (+20% , +40%). But am not sure how they work? Anybody perhaps could guide me on this please?

these are the settings for my RLS

Also lastly can you set the sensitivity of when the CH / LH come on??

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Uwe · Jul 3, 2017

Would you mind posting a current Auto-Scan from this car for context?

I suspect you're working on the same car that you posted one from early this year here, but a current one would be better.

-Uwe-

kjrehsi · Jul 3, 2017

Uwe said:
Would you mind posting a current Auto-Scan from this car for context?

I suspect you're working on the same car that you posted one from early this year here, but a current one would be better.

-Uwe-

Here you go buddy

Code:

Wednesday,21,June,2017,21:15:44:57254
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBEH21Z3D2054264   License Plate: DE62XSD
Mileage: 69140km-42961mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1Z (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 6C 72
         

VIN: TMBEH21Z3D2054264   Mileage: 69140km-42961miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CEG)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 RE    HW: 03L 906 022 GA
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG  5752  
   Revision: 13H15---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0001078
   Shop #: WSC 73430 000 00000
   VCID: 79F8683F3006F489AE-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 058 L    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     512 3503  
   Revision: 05551213    Serial number: 00001208031280
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 23446A57E20A5E59D4-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BK    HW: 1K0 907 379 BK
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 163B601C092700FE680D06EA901D0082340800
   Shop #: WSC 28059 210 91019
   VCID: 7CF6712BFF34C1A1B5-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 BR    HW: 3T0 907 044 BR
   Component: Climatronic   H19 0606  
   Revision: 00001007    
   Coding: 0010000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 03040AD78ACABE59F4-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 AD    HW: 1K0 937 087 AD
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   111 0709  
   Revision: AC111709    
   Coding: 46000AB8E049B1C040080080350081EC47205BAE537D8160808440040040
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 73E45A17D26A8ED9E4-8026

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 D  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 17081  26  0601 
   Coding: 00DFB7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 211209 05  54  0402 
   Coding: 0730AD

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 5J0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 5J0 919 475 A    HW: 5J0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H11 0005  
   Revision: --H11---    Serial number: 32961224000475
   Coding: 30810F
   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000 001001
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14SKxxx0000.rod
   VCID: 33649A179AEACED924-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q4 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2XSPHP  
   Coding: 0020788
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 3D70BC2F64AE08A9C2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME703328688

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME70402E133

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 521 AT    HW: 5K0 953 569 B
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  
   Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20120815800189
   Coding: 189A140000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS.rod
   VCID: 7EF27B23E128D3B19B-802A

   Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3T0 959 537 A    HW: 3T0 959 537 A  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-URO  H07 0012 
   Coding: 830000

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 943 TX    HW: 1Z0 920 943 TX
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0607  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110A01
   Shop #: WSC 28059 210 91019
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 224A6F5335105751DF-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 R    HW: 7N0 907 530 H
   Component: J533  Gateway H42 1632  
   Revision:   H42       Serial number: 160812F1000752
   Coding: 351303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 3F8CC627AEA21AB9D0-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0607  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADA47738DA04F1157-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J794)       Labels: 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 035 192 G    HW: 3T0 035 192 G
   Component: RNS315-EU   H52 0319  
   Serial number: SKZAZ2M9285932
   Coding: 000004410401000000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00209
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS 001705
   ROD: EV_RNS315EUV2UDS.rod
   VCID: 326A9F1365F0C7D12F-8066

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3AA 919 866 
   Component: EUR_W_0038  0038 

2 Faults Found:
1048652 - Telephone Microphone 
          B1048 13 [008] - Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 21
                    Mileage: 69139 km
                    Date: 2017.06.18
                    Time: 22:56:38

1048641 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
          U1014 00 [009] - -
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 236
                    Mileage: 69139 km
                    Date: 2017.06.18
                    Time: 22:56:38

                    Correction for sound system: OK
                    Traffic sign display: OK
                    CD changer: OK
                    Status of antenna 2 for radio: OK
                    Digital radio (DAB): OK
                    Antenna diagnostic: OK
                    Telephone baseplate diagnostic: OK
                    Speaker status: OK
                    Rearview camera: ERROR
                    Telephone Transceiver: OK


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2120  
   Coding: 0000756
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 489EDDFB3B6C5D0161-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 74     3305  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 377CAE07469222F918-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2120  
   Coding: 0000756
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00209
   VCID: 479CDEC73672527968-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012561
   VCID: 326A9F13ADF0C7D12F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.
Cannot be reached

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012561
   VCID: 33649A1752EACED924-8066

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:26)--------------------------

downtime · Jul 4, 2017

kjrehsi said:
Hi Guys,

I recently completed a personal project of retrofitting RLS to my 2012 SKODA FL Octavia VRS and it works brilliantly. So recently added a autolight switch and am not sure it is working to the best of its ability. What I mean by this is that it seems confusing as to when it switches the light on / off and the CH/LH lights as well.

Basically I have notices the following after fitting the AutoLight switch
1. The lights came on yesterday right after the car wash and then it remained on for a while even with the Sun light directly shinning on the car. :dull:
The lights came on again after a brief break but this time the sun wasn't shinning but there was still considerable outside light?!?!?
2. The CH/LH only seem to come on when it is pitch dark? not sure if this is normal behavior as I have seen other VAG cars where if there is still outside light the LH would come on.

I have noticed in VCDS 09 Centl Elect > RLS there are few settings to adjust the Light threshold (+20% , +40%). But am not sure how they work? Anybody perhaps could guide me on this please?

these are the settings for my RLS

Also lastly can you set the sensitivity of when the CH / LH come on??

It is normal behavior for PQ35 platform cars to act like that. Our second car 2006 Golf Plus does the exact same thing and that has factory fitted RLS and auto lights. It lights CH/LH lights only when it's really dark but driving lights might come on much earlier already.

I believe the correct selection for the glass type in both cases is AG if the car does not have some special factory fitted glass option. The glass index should be stated in the windscreen glass itself. If you have a replacement glass like Pilkington, you need to dig up the VAG corresponding glass index from Google. I can't remember was it on Pilkingtons web site or not, but they have a table which shows Pilkington glass type correspondance to VAG glass index type. These types have minimal effect on the sensitivity of the RLS though.

If you did not have RLS earlier, you then most likely have swapped the windscreen to one that has the fixing for rain sensor mirror base?

Also what type of rain sensor you have? One with four parallelogram (don't know if it's the right word) sensors or one with only one sensor in the middle?

kjrehsi · Jul 4, 2017

@downtime I guess that explains it about the CH / LH lights

However, I have found a issue with the ADL deactivation.

The sensor seems to work fine according to the measuring block in VCDS i.e. if I cover or uncover the RLS sensor the frequency of the value changes from 7.0 - 0. Initially the light would go on and go off but it seem now that once the light comes on (i.e. by covering the sensor OR under a brief light shade) it wont go back off till 15-20 mins later :dull:

I was fiddling with the 'Light Activation Threshold' and it came on when I set it to +60% but when I set it back to 00 the light would stay on probably for another 15-20 mins??

Am not really sure what the issue is? But seems like it is not sending a signal back to RLS to deactivate the Lights?
A similar issue reported here http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=417192 however looking at the back of the switch the plug has all 10 wires.

I also checked the following and it is set to 0 seconds.

downtime · Jul 4, 2017

Ok the light deactivation is not normal for it to take that long. The deactivation time is longer in PQ35 than for example in MQB platform for some reason, but it does not take 15 - 20 minutes for the lights to go off. In our Golf it takes around maybe 5 minutes max if there's bright enough outside.

Our Golfs coding for RLS if it helps :

Code:

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AG  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 110608 05  55  0402 
   Coding: 4730BB

kjrehsi · Jul 4, 2017

downtime said:
Ok the light deactivation is not normal for it to take that long. The deactivation time is longer in PQ35 than for example in MQB platform for some reason, but it does not take 15 - 20 minutes for the lights to go off. In our Golf it takes around maybe 5 minutes max if there's bright enough outside.

Our Golfs coding for RLS if it helps :

Code:

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AG Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB Component: RLS 110608 05 55 0402 Coding: 4730BB

Thank you I will try changing it to that after work to see if it will work.

Strangely I noticed this behavior right after the car wash and the lights remained on under direct sunlight for about 15-20 mins of driving. So I cleaned the windscreen lastnight making sure to remove any car wash wax over the sensor. Will report back on behavior tonight.

kjrehsi · Jul 5, 2017

downtime said:
I believe the correct selection for the glass type in both cases is AG if the car does not have some special factory fitted glass option. The glass index should be stated in the windscreen glass itself. If you have a replacement glass like Pilkington, you need to dig up the VAG corresponding glass index from Google. I can't remember was it on Pilkingtons web site or not, but they have a table which shows Pilkington glass type correspondance to VAG glass index type. These types have minimal effect on the sensitivity of the RLS though

@downtime here is the picture of the windscreen. Its genuine Skoda but not sure how you would make out the index from it?

downtime · Jul 5, 2017

Here's some info about glass markings :

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/technical-stuff/175069-automotive-window-glass-codes.html

I have Pilkington replacement windscreen on my Golf and for that I found the corresponding glass index from Pilkington glass handbook from their website.

For original glass you should get the correct glass index from Skoda dealer with your VIN number or it could be in the PR code sticker found in the trunk beside spare wheel / puncture repair kit.

What exactly have you chosen for the light and rain sensor glass index? From the looks of the markings you have normal laminated green glass which would be index AG. So light correction value 45% and rain sensor correction 80%.

Also this link I think is worth reading :

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...M-sub-module)-coding-sensor-adaptation-values

kjrehsi · Jul 6, 2017

downtime said:
Here's some info about glass markings :

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/technical-stuff/175069-automotive-window-glass-codes.html

I have Pilkington replacement windscreen on my Golf and for that I found the corresponding glass index from Pilkington glass handbook from their website.

For original glass you should get the correct glass index from Skoda dealer with your VIN number or it could be in the PR code sticker found in the trunk beside spare wheel / puncture repair kit.

What exactly have you chosen for the light and rain sensor glass index? From the looks of the markings you have normal laminated green glass which would be index AG. So light correction value 45% and rain sensor correction 80%.

Also this link I think is worth reading :

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...M-sub-module)-coding-sensor-adaptation-values

Thanks @downtime for the assistance. I shall change the values this evening and report back on my findings.

Again the lights are coming on 1-2 hours early before sunset and also seems to remain onn under direct sunlight

Vasco Ferraz · Jul 6, 2017

kjrehsi said:
Again the lights are coming on 1-2 hours early before sunset and also seems to remain onn under direct sunlight

Dusk (1-2 hours before sunset) is the worst time for your visibility but also for others to see you.

So I believe that VAG engineers did a good job by activating the low beams 1-2 hours before sunset. Your car becomes more visible to others when the low beams are activated.

Direct sunlight is also a problem for visibility (which happens on dawn and dusk). I believe the light sensor is also calibrated to activate the low beams when getting direct sunlight into the sensor. Horizontal sun light will be reflected to other drivers making your car more difficult to see. Again, a good job from the engineers.

kjrehsi · Jul 6, 2017

Vasco Ferraz said:
Dusk (1-2 hours before sunset) is the worst time for your visibility but also for others to see you.

So I believe that VAG engineers did a good job by activating the low beams 1-2 hours before sunset. Your car becomes more visible to others when the low beams are activated.

Direct sunlight is also a problem for visibility (which happens on dawn and dusk). I believe the light sensor is also calibrated to activate the low beams when getting direct sunlight into the sensor. Horizontal sun light will be reflected to other drivers making your car more difficult to see. Again, a good job from the engineers.

Here in UK we are currently on DST so it gets dark here around 10.30ish. So before complete darkness (Dusk) there is ample light and depending upon weather (if its not raining / cloudy) I feel there is no need for headlights to come on. I noticed quite a few similar VAG cars on the road fitted with RLS and none of them had their dipped beam on. I know it's not a good comparison but still thought it was odd for my car to have the low beams on?

I wont argue about direct sunlight as it makes sense scientifically

kjrehsi · Jul 6, 2017

downtime said:
What exactly have you chosen for the light and rain sensor glass index? From the looks of the markings you have normal laminated green glass which would be index AG. So light correction value 45% and rain sensor correction 80%.

Just wondering I don't i have 45% (light) and 80% (rain) for my RLS in VCDS. If you see the images I posted earlier you will see.

downtime · Jul 6, 2017

kjrehsi said:
Just wondering I don't i have 45% (light) and 80% (rain) for my RLS in VCDS. If you see the images I posted earlier you will see.

Sorry, my mistake, I somehow messed the numbers totally. I meant 48 % light (glass index AG) and 187% rain sensor correction (also Glass index AG)

kjrehsi · Jul 7, 2017

downtime said:
Sorry, my mistake, I somehow messed the numbers totally. I meant 48 % light (glass index AG) and 187% rain sensor correction (also Glass index AG)

thanks for the correction

I have changed the values. So will do more testing over the few days and hopefully should be fine. :rolleyes:

kjrehsi · Jul 10, 2017

downtime said:
Sorry, my mistake, I somehow messed the numbers totally. I meant 48 % light (glass index AG) and 187% rain sensor correction (also Glass index AG)

happy to report that the light sensitivity and activation and deactivation seems to be working as normal. The lights have come on when required and deactivated when not required. so seems normal operation and hopefully don't play up.

but thanks for the help

downtime · Jul 10, 2017

That's good to hear. Let's hope that they keep that way now

So I'm guessing the values I proposed then worked like they should?

kjrehsi · Jul 10, 2017

downtime said:
That's good to hear. Let's hope that they keep that way now So I'm guessing the values I proposed then worked like they should?

Hi downtime yes they seem to be working fine now. However I will observe a week more to make sure the adaptations are working 100%

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