16887 Vehicle Speed Sensor Signal Too High

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I've been plagued with this error code ever since I got my TDI-swapped Audi A4 back on the road. I'm pretty sure it's the reason why my cruise control isn't working.

Car is a 2001 Audi A4 Avant quattro that used to have an AWM 1.8T and manual trans. It now runs the engine, ECU and wiring harness from a 2005 Passat (BHW 2.0 PD TDI) mated to an 01E FTL 6-speed transmission. The TDI ECU is EDC16. There was a bit of wiring work needed to get the ECU to match up with the car's wiring, but it all went well and the car runs fantastic. The cruise control and this error code are the only thing left to resolve.

When looking at the wiring diagrams for each car:

- the VSS signal on the Passat goes to the transmission control module, which then gets sent to the instrument cluster and ECU (presumably via CAN bus).

- the VSS signal on the A4 goes to the instrument cluster, which then gets amplified and sent to the ECU via a white/blue wire straight to a specific pin.

I have it setup the A4 way, and it seems to work. It required adding a wire to an unused pin on the ECU. The speedometer is accurate and responds appropriately. However the reported speed in the ECU is always about 15% higher than the speedometer. I think this is where the error code comes from, and why the cruise control won't work.

I did a LOT of research, and I can't figure out why this is happening. Lots of people have swapped an 01E transmission into the B5.5 TDI Passat (albeit a FWD one, not quattro), and they can get cruise control working fine. This is actually how I learned which pin to send the VSS signal to on the ECU, other people figured it out before me.

As far as I know, the VSS ring works the same way on both cars. It has 8 magnetic poles that trigger a pulsed voltage on the VSS sensor, unless I'm wrong and the OEM Passat TDI automatic trans has 6 poles somehow... but then all those other 01E-swapped Passats would have had the same issue I'm having. So why is the ECU taking the signal that the instrument cluster is sending to it, and inflating the result by 15%?

For the record, the ECU is coded for a manual transmission and the tune has all the right gear and final drive ratios entered. And since it was for a B5.5 Passat, tire size is identical between the two cars. I'm not the first person to mate this engine to an 01E, although I may be the first to do it on a B5.5 A4 quattro.
 
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Moved to Retrofits.

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It would be a good idea to auto-scan to see the actual config...........
 
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It would be a good idea to auto-scan to see the actual config...........
He's got one in another thread:


Code:
Sunday,25,June,2017,13:49:33:60495
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4341.4
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com


Mileage: 278979   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: XX (8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77
 
VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX   
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-016-BHW.lbl
   Part No SW: 038 997 016 N    HW: 028 101 198 2
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  1388  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0150031
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 291A33BA81156D099E-5184

1 Fault Found:
16887 - Vehicle Speed Sensor 
            P0503 - 000 - Signal too High
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 966 /min
                    Torque: 84.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 12.08 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00101100
                    Torque: 148.0 Nm
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 111 A
   Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 QUATTRO D10  
   Shop #: BB 24334  
   VCID: 1C741A6E8E4788A115-51CE

1 Fault Found:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45) 
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
   Component: A4     KLIMAAUTOMAT D57  
   Coding: 00143
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 2D12C7AAE5FD712972-258E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
   Component: Airbag Front+Kopf  1002  
   Coding: 00306
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 3A38FCF624B3D691E7-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 8D0 920 980 Q
   Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09   
   Coding: 00240
   Shop #: WSC 00001  
   VCID: 393AE3FA21B5DD89EE-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl
   Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
   Component: CV-Pump             D11  
   Coding: 16168
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 40CC8E1E426F8C41A9-4EEA

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 951 173 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    D03  
   Coding: 00102
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 608C6E9EE2AFEC4189-4AC2

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:51, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 980 Q
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09
Coding: 00240
Shop #: WSC 00001
VCID: 393AE3FA21B5DD89EE-5160

No fault code found.


Put a TDI cluster in the car..................
 
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