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    2004 Beetle cluster problem maybe?

    Some suggestions would be great if someone has them.

    '04 Beetle TDI 27x,xxx on the clock.

    Customer was driving vehicle home, I can't recall the exact wording (working on getting that scenario again), but IIRC the car lost power and all cluster lights went out.

    Customer got home, attempted to restart. Engine would fire, lights on, engine would die, classic immo problem.

    Car comes over on the hook, but suffers broken oil pan on the way. As I have not had the opportunity to replace the pan, I have not duplicated the symptoms.

    What I do know - key on engine off - odo flickers rapidly, power spoiler light flashes dimly & rapidly (car doesn't have power spoiler), battery light on (normal for key on engine off). No other lights come on (no cel, no glow plug light). Battery has power (power windows work at normal speed, headlights & interior lights bright).

    Fuses are all intact & transfer power (test light). I do not suspect power supply problems up stream of the fuse box.

    Note missing addresses in auto scan. VCDS cannot communicate to these addresses and assumes they're not present. (engine, airbags, comfort, cluster, etc).

    Maybe the cluster is dead. I hypothesize this given that it seems to act as the power train bus router on the Golf/Jetta. That said I've heard the beetle is a little different when it comes to K network...

    Given that I (should per customer) have more activity on the cluster after the car fires, I'll probably glue a new pan on it and pop in my tester BEW immo delete ECU & see what comes up.

    Comments and suggestions welcome.

    Thanks.

    Code:
    Friday,02,June,2017,18:59:00:46182
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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    Mileage:    Repair Order: KISICKI AS
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 9C - VW New Beetle (1999 > 2010)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
    
     
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ASR.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 K
       Component: ASR FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0018945
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 326B6473AE9B07D12F-515E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 G
       Component: 2K Komfortgerát HLO 0004  
       Coding: 00064
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 3B75495729D1C699FC-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C2959802A
       Component: 2K Tőrsteuer.FS KLO 0202  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C2959801A
       Component: 2K Tőrsteuer.BF KLO 0202  
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01359 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Passenger Side (E198) 
                27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    00933 - Electric Window Motor; Passenger Side (V148) 
                62-10 - No or Incorrect Adjustment - Intermittent
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
                37-00 - Faulty
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 035 196 H
       Component:  RADIO DE2         0004  
       Coding: 06031
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 2447922BB46F9961AD-51D4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:27)--------------------------

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselland View Post
    Note missing addresses in auto scan. VCDS cannot communicate to these addresses and assumes they're not present. (engine, airbags, comfort, cluster, etc).

    Maybe the cluster is dead. I hypothesize this given that it seems to act as the power train bus router on the Golf/Jetta. That said I've heard the beetle is a little different when it comes to K network...
    The cluster does act as the "router" for the CAN buses, but the K-line should still go to every module directly except for the ECU. There's a separate "W" line between the cluster and the ECU.

    My gut says you have some sort of power problem in this car rather than a bad cluster.

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    Thanks Uwe.

    WD time. Maybe I'll find some common links power or ground wise between the modules that don't want to talk.

    W line 'eh...as an aside this may help with a back burnered personal engine swap project.

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    Pull the cluster real quick takes a minute tops and inspect for coolant regress through harness to plug causing connection issues.

    Alarm or door harness could be causing those flickers too, in addition to grounds under battery or even battery fuse box being faulty.
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    from customer:

    When the instrument cluster suddenly blinking all symbols and warning lights for about 2 seconds, no alarm or beeping sounds were present. Then all went black again back to normal, except for the symbol I did not know at the far bottom left warning light cluster near tach, which faintly but clearly flickered glowing in strange way for my remaining trip home.
    I anticipated perhaps I would smell some electrical smoke or smell, but nothing happened. I quickly pulled over, my car continued to run fine, I smelled nothing, and did quick eyeball inspection of the full car, but saw nothing out of ordinary.

    When driving again, I noted the speedometer, tachometer, odometer and gas gauge were all frozen and no longer functioning.

    I completed drive home, issue free aside from the lingering warning light and turned off my car. I went into house and did google search on these symptoms and the warning light, which indicated IMMOBILIZER and went out to re-start the car. It started for less than one second about 4 times, and clearly this electrical surge or whatever it is, fried something, and not immobilizer triggered so will not start. I checked fuses and saw no fried fuses on inspection (but could have missed one I guess)... "

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselland View Post
    Fuses are all intact & transfer power (test light). I do not suspect power supply problems up stream of the fuse box.
    Remember Grounds are just as important too. You mentioned the WD. They will be very helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    ...or even battery fuse box being faulty
    Dana had some lovely photos of the melted fuse box that sits on top of the battery.

    Quote Originally Posted by dieselland View Post
    W line 'eh...
    Yep, if it was only the ECU that was incommunicado the Cluster would have been prime suspect.

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    Confirmed kill. Dead cluster.

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    If you need help getting a cluster let me know .............
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