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    Unhappy Tiguan 2013 Bi-xenon retrofit (No AFS)

    Dear members,

    I decided to retrofit my Tiguan with bi-xenon (No AFS). This is the third time I'm doing such retrofit, I've done one for my Golf V GTI and one for my golf MK6 GTI. Both of them went fine!

    This time, I'm facing couple of problems...

    I've followed this thread: http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...FS-retrofitted DRL's function properly but Xenons won't work. High beams either. I've run numerous tests with no luck. I'm using Kufatec adapters. Originally they came with no cable from pin 11 going to BCM pins 48,49 gold connector, but I've tried that version too. I've changed my BCM to a highline one. No luck....

    I've also seen threads like this: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...t-(without-AFS that incorporate messing with pin changes on the BCM.

    Which method is the right one?

    What could I do?

    My scan follows :
    (I've also changed slip ring and steering wheel adding MFSW option. That works, but I didn't manage to fix G85 issue yet)

    Code:
    Monday,01,May,2017,20:22:36:52699
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    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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    VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   License Plate: 8554
    Mileage: 117720km-73147mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 5N (7N0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 4C 52 53 56 61 62 72 77
             
    
    VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   Mileage: 117720km-73147miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: Not registered 0001
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels: 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 018 LE    HW: 03L 907 309 AE
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H28 4571  
       Revision: 41H28---    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 00190012040401080000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE 003009
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE.rod
       VCID: 78F43811C31E9081D1-802C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    4729 - Steering Effort Control Module 
              U0130 00 [039] - No Communications
              Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:56
    
                        Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 0.0 %
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 59 C
                        Intake air temperature: 27 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 960 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 12.180 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Limitation: accelerator pedal: 126.6 Nm
                        CAN status - engine control module-Bit 0: 0
                        Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bit 0: 0
                        CAN status - transmission control module-Bit 0: 0
                        CAN status - brake control module 1-Bit 0: 0
                        CAN status - brake control module 2-Bit 0: 0
                        selected gear-Bit 0: 0
    
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 AR    HW: 5N0 614 109 AR
       Component: J104   C6 450M VD57 0006  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000006258606
       Coding: 0037947
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7BFE271D3A28BB99BC-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 GJ    HW: 5K0 907 044 GJ
       Component: Climatronic   H19 1313  
       Revision: 00001004    
       Coding: 0010004003
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
       ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 79F23D15F8148989AE-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 937 087 T    HW: 5K0 937 087 T
       Component: BCM PQ35 H    021 0068  
       Revision: BK021001    
       Coding: 46180A38802502C040C000C0340089684B55AB88436D8160E484C7040041
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       VCID: 468886E9F16A367193-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N1 955 119     HW:              Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 08101  013 0204 
       Serial number: N1955119   204!
       Coding: 009795
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 051012 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 02304D
    
    4 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:58
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        Voltage: 12.20 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:58
    
    00979 - Lamp for Low Beam; Right (M31) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101010
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:40:01
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        Voltage: 12.20 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    02895 - Supply Voltage for LED Module for DRL and Parking Light; Left 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101010
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:40:01
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 AA    HW: 5N0 959 655 AA
       Component: J234__20J VW10 HI   2118  
       Revision: 24017000    Serial number: 003L7PLTU4Q.  
       Coding: 0012362
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7CFC24013F26BCA1B5-8028
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS661652712 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS670032702 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6P6IVBBKR 
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS6CUTADBKR 
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8X0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 953 501 Q    HW: 5K0 953 569 AP
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0140  
       Revision: FF010018    Serial number: 20140409200806
       Coding: 108A140000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00118
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS A01004
       ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS.rod
       VCID: 489488D1F37E200161-801C
    
       Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C    HW: 5K0 959 542 C  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H31 0033 
       Coding: 820000
    
    1 Fault Found:
    226839 - Turn Signal Switch 
              B1144 11 [009] - Short to Ground
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:56
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 920 883 A    HW: 5N0 920 883 A
       Component: KOMBI         H05 0505  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 111F00
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
       VCID: 3260CA3965E2BAD12F-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AC    HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
       Component: J533  Gateway H48 1633  
       Revision:   H48       Serial number: 270912F2000492
       Coding: 356002
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:57
    
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:57
    
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H05 0505  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
       VCID: 6AD012598DB2321157-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 F    HW: 3C0 959 793 B
       Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0503  
       Revision: 13110009    Serial number: 0005716407
       Coding: 0200BC
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 3874F811839E508111-806C
    
       Slave Driver: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 F    HW: 3C0 959 794 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J388__TSG-HL  008 1504 
       Serial number: 00000007278896      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 N    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.285 1101  
       Revision: 1AH03837    Serial number: 00122690267701
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3D7AE90564BC75A9C2-8068
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100100
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:56
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        (no units): 4.0
                        Voltage: 12.10 V
    
    02546 - Steering Limit Stop 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100100
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 87
                        Mileage: 117729 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.01
                        Time: 03:39:56
    
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 F    HW: 3C0 959 792 B
       Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0503  
       Revision: 15110009    Serial number: 0005756361
       Coding: 0200BC
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 3972FD15B8944989EE-806C
    
       Slave Passenger: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 F    HW: 3C0 959 795 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J389__TSG-HR  008 1504 
       Serial number: 00000007283631      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 H    HW: 3AA 907 801 H
       Component: J540 EPB4  VW-86594 0010  
       Revision:   H19       Serial number: 00000000511436
       Coding: 0026167
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3668F629418AA6F103-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 5ND 035 190 B    HW: 5ND 035 190 B
       Component: RCD510USBRVC  003 0003  
       Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3R8092332
       Coding: 0100042504000C
       Shop #: WSC 79107 123 12345
       VCID: 3B7EE71DBAA87B99FC-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
       Component: Batt.regelung H48 1633  
       Serial number: 270912F2000492
       Coding: 030F1859
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 H    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0180 
       Serial number: 00000000008900271979
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 77: Telephone (J738)       Labels: 1K8-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 1K8 035 730 D    HW: 1K8 035 730 D
       Component: Telefon       H08 6900  
       Revision: 00008000    Serial number: 00000A10634076
       Coding: 412120
       Shop #: WSC 00078 790 00199
       VCID: 2A50D2594532F21197-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:26)--------------------------
    Please Help !!
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-01-2017 at 01:53 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    i'm not sure but your new MFSW (slip rign) module doesn't support G85, which is why you cant sort it out, you have audi module btw
    for low beam it should work immediately, i would test it directly from battery pin 5 ground (-) and pin 6 positive (+), and you should have low beam on, for high beam solenoid is pin 11 + (also check if you have pin 11 in headlights connector) if it works check fuses, wires, adapter etc...

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    Thanks for replying!

    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post
    i'm not sure but your new MFSW (slip rign) module doesn't support G85, which is why you cant sort it out, you have audi module btw
    for low beam it should work immediately, i would test it directly from battery pin 5 ground (-) and pin 6 positive (+), and you should have low beam on, for high beam solenoid is pin 11 + (also check if you have pin 11 in headlights connector) if it works check fuses, wires, adapter etc...
    I'll test everything again!

    I've checked for slip ring compatibility and tables show that it is compatible! Any hint on that ?

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    for slip ring it has audi software on it specifically Audi A1, because of that you have no communication with steering angle sensor

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    G85 issues...

    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post
    for slip ring it has audi software on it specifically Audi A1, because of that you have no communication with steering angle sensor
    Thanks for replying again....

    How you can tell that software is for Audi? Is is possible to change/flash it?

    Do you know which slip ring is appropriate for my Tiguan ?

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    no you change software in slip ring, you need to compare with original one which came with car, you need with steering wheel angle sensor etc....

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    I noticed the email conversation related to the G85 problem
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    .. between the OP and Peter in our tech team. I decided to reply here because I agree with m87a.

    The oldest scan I have from this car showed:
    Code:
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 501 BD    HW: 5K0 953 569 J
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140
       Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20121006300001
       Coding: 5180040000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6DDA1945BC5C252932-8038
    
    No fault code found.
    and the GVL reported 04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000 at that time.

    I haven't noticed a VW scan with Audi SWCM software (8X0 part number) but it doesn't sound like that is compatible and m87a is knowledgeable in this area. Since 03 is coded identically to the last known good scan and we know 5N1 44 modules do not have an internal G85 my only suggestion would be to code the installed 16 to the original value of: 5180040000

    If 16 accepts the original coding the G85 problem *might* be resolved but if it rejects the original coding I would consider it incorrect for this car.

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    Thanks for replying!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    I noticed the email conversation related to the G85 problem
    .. between the OP and Peter in our tech team. I decided to reply here because I agree with m87a.

    The oldest scan I have from this car showed:
    Code:
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 501 BD    HW: 5K0 953 569 J
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140
       Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20121006300001
       Coding: 5180040000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6DDA1945BC5C252932-8038
    
    No fault code found.
    and the GVL reported 04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000 at that time.

    I haven't noticed a VW scan with Audi SWCM software (8X0 part number) but it doesn't sound like that is compatible and m87a is knowledgeable in this area. Since 03 is coded identically to the last known good scan and we know 5N1 44 modules do not have an internal G85 my only suggestion would be to code the installed 16 to the original value of: 5180040000

    If 16 accepts the original coding the G85 problem *might* be resolved but if it rejects the original coding I would consider it incorrect for this car.
    ________________________________________

    Dear Dana and m87a, I really thank you for your responses!

    Dear Dana do you know which is the right slip ring part number to fit my car??

    Best regards,
    Nikolaos

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    you can try these, of course you buy these on your own, no guarantee because i don't know what did your car have before and now, also if you try to retrofit MFSW you need to change stalks ( wiper stalk to delete trip computer up/down/ok buttons) which causes issues with coding mfsw
    5K0 953 569 R
    5K0 953 569 AB
    5K0 953 569 AK no cruise control
    also try to find with list be aware there are audi and skoda/seat modules with same hardware different firmware (software) which can't be flashed

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    PL24 notes using a scan tool to determine the original module:

    http://ft.trillian.im/7a467daf265128...SV7QUSP7VZ.jpg

    .. but ETKA shows this path from what I believe was the original: 5K0 953 569 J > 5K0 953 569 H > 5K0 953 569 AL

    You may want to research that list in addition to the ones m87a came up with.

    P.S. My 2012 SEL is WVGBV7AX1CW000438 and a scan from is lives in post #18 here http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...ll=1#post13575

    The MFSW and Xenon (facelift with LED DRL) were factory equipped.

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