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    Maybe you set your belt wrong when doing your BSM.....escaped?

    Maybe your review of measuring values for timing is just in fact not base values as in "basic settings"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdidaho View Post
    The only codes on a VCDS Autoscan are related to the missing TCM which should not effect whether the engine runs properly or not.
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    I have an ECU that is flashed for a manual transmission.
    I'd definitely like to see the Auto-Scan then. Unless you're referring to codes stored somewhere other than the ECU, one of the above statements is false.

    Quote Originally Posted by tdidaho View Post
    Plenty of people have done this swap and been able to start and run the engine with the stock AT tuning. It doesn't run well but it runs.
    Are you saying other people with the same swap have had the same problem, just less severe? That seems highly germane to our discussion.

    I freely admit I can barely spell TDI, so I'm just throwing out a wild theory. But it would be interesting to test an added light load on the engine when it's in a rough cold idle phase. Like, let the clutch out just a touch in a high gear (obviously not for a very long time) to provide a little drag. If it smooths out the idle, then you know something.

    Jason

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    I'd definitely like to see the Auto-Scan then. Unless you're referring to codes stored somewhere other than the ECU, one of the above statements is false.

    I was going to say the same thing, good sleuthing........


    Time to check the timing in basic settings........


    EMMM donuts...........


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    Quote Originally Posted by jyoung8607 View Post
    I'd definitely like to see the Auto-Scan then. Unless you're referring to codes stored somewhere other than the ECU, one of the above statements is false.


    Are you saying other people with the same swap have had the same problem, just less severe? That seems highly germane to our discussion.

    I freely admit I can barely spell TDI, so I'm just throwing out a wild theory. But it would be interesting to test an added light load on the engine when it's in a rough cold idle phase. Like, let the clutch out just a touch in a high gear (obviously not for a very long time) to provide a little drag. If it smooths out the idle, then you know something.

    Jason
    Sorry about the confusion but I actually have 2 ECUs. One has been programed for a manual transmission and a Stage 2 tune. When I first tried to get the car running I was using this ECU. I purchased a second ECU that had not been altered other than an Immobilizer delete to rule out the ECU as the source of my problem. The ECU with the tune would start, idle roughly for a few seconds, then the rpms would pick up to about 950 and then the engine would suddenly shut down. I could never get it to warm up to the point where it ran properly. When I tried the stock ECU instead of the engine shutting down it managed to maintain a very slow and tenuous idle long enough to warm up.

    No I'm not saying other people have had the same problem (I wish that were the case). What I'm saying is that many people who have completed this exact swap have had NO problem starting their engines with the original ECU and AT tune. Some have suggested that the problem is caused by trying to start a car with a manual transmission with an ECU that's programmed for an Automatic Transmission but I know that's not the issue. It won't drive well but the engine will start and run and will definitely have a functioning throttle.

    I like your idea about adding a load; not something I've tried while the engine is running bad.

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    Here's the AutoScan.


    Code:
    Monday,01,May,2017,18:00:44:45368
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWCE63B95E126365   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 225040km-139833mi   Repair Order: 5/01/17
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 3B (3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
             
     
    VIN: WVWCE63B95E126365   Mileage: 225040km-139833miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-016-BHW.lbl
       Part No SW: 038 997 016 N    HW: 028 101 198 2
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG  1388  
       Revision: 12345678    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
       Coding: 0150034
       Shop #: WSC 24140 444 53484
       VCID: 2952F06083481A099E-515A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    18034 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1626 - 000 - Missing Message from TCU
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Torque: 128.0 Nm
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Voltage: 12.08 V
                        Bin. Bits: 00001000
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000
                        Bin. Bits: 10000100
    
    Readiness: 1 1 1 1 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
       Part No: 4B0 614 517 G
       Component: ABS/ESP front       3428  
       Coding: 04255
       Shop #: WSC 05311  
       VCID: 254AFC50BF503E69BA-513C
    
    2 Faults Found:
    18055 - Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1647 - 35-00 - 
    18034 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                P1626 - 35-00 - Missing Message from TCU
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 909 605 C
       Component: 09 AIRBAG VW61 04   0003  
       Coding: 12345
       Shop #: WSC 05311  
       VCID: 244CE154B46AC761AD-513C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 907 487 A
       Component: Lenkradelektronik   0005  
       Coding: 00118
       Shop #: WSC 05311  
       VCID: 2F661E78EDAC743940-515A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.lbl
       Part No: 3B0 920 929 C
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V07  
       Coding: 15235
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 2756F658C55C2C7988-5120
       WVWCE63B95E126365     VWZ7Z0D1256844
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
       Coding: 00006
       Shop #: WSC 05311  
       VCID: 70E4DD0430122BC119-5120
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
       Component: 80 Komfortgert HLO 0004  
       Coding: 00258
       Shop #: WSC 05311  
       VCID: 3776261815FCBCF918-4B00
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801
       Component: 80 Tırsteuer.FS KLO 0202  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802
       Component: 80 Tırsteuer.BF KLO 0202  
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811
       Component: 80 Tırsteuer.HL KLO 0202  
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812
       Component: 80 Tırsteuer.HR KLO 0202  
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
                27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:42)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-02-2017 at 08:43 AM. Reason: CODE tags

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    The fault codes at address 46 are because I have the driver's door interior panel with switches removed. This scan is with the stock ECU and Immobilizer delete.

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    This is the Controller Map from my car:


    Code:
    016-N HW:028-101-198-2 --- Engine
    ;Component:R04L 2 EDC G000AG C1o3d8i8ng:0150034
    ;Monday 27 March 2017 13:07:58:45368
    17.1.3 (x64) Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
    2952F06083481A099E-513C
    Group Field 1 Data type Field 2 Data type Field 3 Data type Field 4 Data type
    1 651 /min RPM 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 11.2KW Idle Stabilization37.8C Temperature
    2 651 /min RPM 0.00% Load 0 01 0 Bin. Bits 37.8C Temperature
    3 651 /min RPM 665.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 430.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 100.60% Duty Cycle
    4 651 /min RPM 13.6 BTDC Ign. Timing 11.2KW Idle Stabilization0.0KW Idle Stabilization
    5 651 /min RPM 30.7 mg/str Inj. Quantity 48 (no units) 37.8C Temperature
    6 0.0 km/h Speed 1100 Bin. Bits 0.00% Load 10 Bin. Bits
    7 28.8C Temperature 0.00% Load 17.1C Temperature 37.8C Temperature
    8 651 /min RPM 0.0 Nm Torque 186.0 Nm Torque 174.0 Nm Torque
    9 651 /min RPM -1280.0 Nm Torque 410.0 Nm Torque 174.0 Nm Torque
    10 425.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 948.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 938.4 mbar Absolute Pres. 0.00% Load
    11 651 /min RPM 1346.4 mbar Absolute Pres. 938.4 mbar Absolute Pres. 80.50% Duty Cycle
    12 11111111 Bin. Bits 1.61 s Time 13.60 V Voltage 37.8C Temperature
    13 0.02 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.00 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.02 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.00 mg/str Inj. Quantity
    15 651 /min RPM 174.0 Nm Torque 3.20 l/h Fuel Consump. 0.0 Nm Torque
    16 45.90% Load 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 13.60 V Voltage
    17 10000001 Bin. Bits 110111 Bin. Bits 11100000 Bin. Bits 11100000 Bin. Bits
    18 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    20 651 /min RPM 174.0 Nm Torque 1270.0 Nm Torque -1280.0 Nm Torque
    21 0 Bin. Bits 10000100 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 100 Bin. Bits
    22 1 (no units) 1 (no units) 0 (no units) 144 (no units)
    23 -27 (no units) -35 (no units) -18 (no units) -18 (no units)
    25 651 /min RPM 0 Bin. Bits 4 (no units) 0 (no units)
    26 793E RPM
    27 1 (no units) 0 Bin. Bits 0.0 km/h Speed 255.0 km/h Speed
    28 0.304 V Voltage 0 01 0 Bin. Bits 0.00% Load
    30 221 ohms Resistance 0.000 V Voltage 0.00% Lambda 0 (no units)
    31 0 (no units) 1.60% Duty Cycle 4.964 V Voltage 0.000 V Voltage
    32 0 (no units) 17.1C Temperature 948.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 0.000 V Voltage
    33 651 /min RPM 948.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 9.96 g/s Mass Flow
    34 0 Bin. Bits 11001001 Bin. Bits 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    35 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    36 0 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    37 100000 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits
    38 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits
    39 651 /min RPM 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.00 mg/str Inj. Quantity 10 Bin. Bits
    40 651 /min RPM 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0 Bin. Bits 1 (no units)
    41 100.60% Duty Cycle 0.00% Duty Cycle 0.00% Duty Cycle 0.00% Duty Cycle
    42 0.00% Lambda 0 Bin. Bits 95.90% Duty Cycle 0.00% Duty Cycle
    43 87.30% Duty Cycle 100.60% Lambda 0.00% Lambda 0 Bin. Bits
    44 651 /min RPM 38.7C Temperature 0 Bin. Bits 0.00% Lambda
    50 651 /min RPM 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.00 mg/str Inj. Quantity 10 Bin. Bits
    51 651 /min RPM 315 /min RPM 48 (no units) 10000 Bin. Bits
    52 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    55 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    56 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 0xFF36 Hex Value
    60 672 /min RPM 174.0 Nm Torque 38.7C Temperature 0.00% Load
    61 89.1C Temperature 38.7C Temperature 0.00% Load 0 Bin. Bits
    62 38.7C Temperature 17.1C Temperature 17.1C Temperature
    63 0.00 bar Pressure 0.0 Nm Torque 144 (no units)
    65 0.00% Load 38.7C Temperature 0 Bin. Bits
    66 29.7C Temperature 3.00 l/h Fuel Consump.
    67 114.0C Temperature
    74 651 /min RPM 114.0C Temperature 1 (no units) 0.0 mg/str Inj. Quantity
    75 114.0C Temperature
    80 BPG-810 27.01.0 5 12345678 1888 0867
    81 XXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1234567
    82 5348444424140 <> 78 79 <>
    86 11001100 Bin. Bits 11111010 Bin. Bits 11011111 Bin. Bits 101000 Bin. Bits
    87 11111111 Bin. Bits 11111100 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits
    89 10000001 Bin. Bits
    90 672 /min RPM 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 665.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 0 Bin. Bits
    91 127 (no units) -128 (no units) 665.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 26 (no units)
    93 0 Bin. Bits 1.02 (no units) 7.2 (no units) 7.2 (no units)
    125 Transm. 0 ABS 1 Instruments 1 Airbag 1
    131 144 (no units) 33.8 mg/str Inj. Quantity 38.7C Temperature
    133 651 /min RPM 390.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 948.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 0 (no units)
    134 45.10% Load 13.53 V Voltage
    140 110111 Bin. Bits 11100000 Bin. Bits
    213 672 /min RPM 0.00% Load 0.0 km/h Speed 0 (no units)
    225 255 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    226 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    227 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    228 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    229 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-02-2017 at 08:43 AM. Reason: QUOTE -> CODE

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    And this is the Controller Map from a properly running 2005 Passat B5.5 recorded at the same coolant temp:

    Code:
    016-T HW:028-101-198-2 --- Engine
    ;Component:R04L 2 EDC G000A CGo d0i3n1g4:0150034
    ;Saturday 25 March 2017 13:45:04:45368
    17.1.3 (x64) Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
    2F661E78BDAC743940-515A
    Group Field 1 Data type Field 2 Data type Field 3 Data type Field 4 Data type
    1 861 /min RPM 7.4 mg/str Inj. Quantity 6.1KW Idle Stabilization37.8C Temperature
    2 861 /min RPM 0.00% Load 0 01 0 Bin. Bits 37.8C Temperature
    3 861 /min RPM 285.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 280.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 79.30% Duty Cycle
    4 861 /min RPM 3.1 BTDC Ign. Timing 6.6KW Idle Stabilization-3.9KW Idle Stabilization
    5 861 /min RPM 15.6 mg/str Inj. Quantity 48 (no units) 37.8C Temperature
    6 0.0 km/h Speed 1000 Bin. Bits 0.00% Load 10 Bin. Bits
    7 37.8C Temperature 0.00% Load 28.8C Temperature 37.8C Temperature
    8 840 /min RPM 0.0 Nm Torque 196.0 Nm Torque 140.0 Nm Torque
    9 861 /min RPM -1280.0 Nm Torque 410.0 Nm Torque 140.0 Nm Torque
    10 295.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 1009.8 mbar Absolute Pres. 999.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 0.00% Load
    11 861 /min RPM 1071.0 mbar Absolute Pres. 999.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 80.50% Duty Cycle
    12 11111111 Bin. Bits 0.00 s Time 14.29 V Voltage 37.8C Temperature
    13 -0.59 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.02 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.45 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0.09 mg/str Inj. Quantity
    15 861 /min RPM 40.0 Nm Torque 0.60 l/h Fuel Consump. 0.0 Nm Torque
    16 40.80% Load 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 14.29 V Voltage
    17 10000001 Bin. Bits 1000111 Bin. Bits 11100000 Bin. Bits 10000000 Bin. Bits
    18 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    20 861 /min RPM 40.0 Nm Torque 1270.0 Nm Torque -1280.0 Nm Torque
    21 0 Bin. Bits 100 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 100 Bin. Bits
    22 1 (no units) 1 (no units) 0 (no units) 16 (no units)
    23 1 (no units) 1 (no units) -17 (no units) -7 (no units)
    25 861 /min RPM 0 Bin. Bits 4 (no units) 0 (no units)
    26 B023 RPM
    27 1 (no units) 0 Bin. Bits 0.0 km/h Speed 255.0 km/h Speed
    28 0.304 V Voltage 0 01 0 Bin. Bits 0.00% Load
    30 205 ohms Resistance 0.000 V Voltage -0.50% Lambda 1 (no units)
    31 0 (no units) 1.60% Duty Cycle 4.964 V Voltage 0.000 V Voltage
    32 0 (no units) 27.9C Temperature 1009.8 mbar Absolute Pres. 0.000 V Voltage
    33 861 /min RPM 1009.8 mbar Absolute Pres. 7.11 g/s Mass Flow
    34 0 Bin. Bits 11001001 Bin. Bits 52 (no units) 0 (no units)
    35 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    36 0 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    37 100000 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits
    38 0 Bin. Bits 0 Bin. Bits
    39 861 /min RPM 7.1 mg/str Inj. Quantity -1.58 mg/str Inj. Quantity 10 Bin. Bits
    40 861 /min RPM 7.1 mg/str Inj. Quantity 0 Bin. Bits 1 (no units)
    41 100.60% Duty Cycle 22.30% Duty Cycle 21.50% Duty Cycle 15.10% Duty Cycle
    42 -5.10% Lambda 0 Bin. Bits 95.90% Duty Cycle 21.50% Duty Cycle
    43 81.30% Duty Cycle 100.60% Lambda 0.00% Lambda 0 Bin. Bits
    44 861 /min RPM 37.8C Temperature 0 Bin. Bits 0.00% Lambda
    50 861 /min RPM 6.9 mg/str Inj. Quantity -1.48 mg/str Inj. Quantity 10 Bin. Bits
    51 861 /min RPM 420 /min RPM 48 (no units) 10000 Bin. Bits
    52 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    55 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits
    56 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 100000 Bin. Bits 0xFF00 Hex Value
    60 861 /min RPM 38.0 Nm Torque 37.8C Temperature 0.00% Load
    61 89.1C Temperature 37.8C Temperature 0.00% Load 0 Bin. Bits
    62 37.8C Temperature 27.9C Temperature 27.9C Temperature
    63 0.00 bar Pressure 0.0 Nm Torque 16 (no units)
    65 0.00% Load 37.8C Temperature 0 Bin. Bits
    66 38.7C Temperature 0.60 l/h Fuel Consump.
    67 138.0C Temperature
    74 861 /min RPM 138.0C Temperature 1 (no units) 0.0 mg/str Inj. Quantity
    75 138.0C Temperature
    80 BPG-810 05.01.0 5 12345678 1888 1221
    81 WVWCE63B75E1 32391 VWZ7Z0E1415451 1234567
    82 1387244426111 <> 78 79 <>
    86 11001100 Bin. Bits 11111000 Bin. Bits 10011111 Bin. Bits 101000 Bin. Bits
    87 11111111 Bin. Bits 11111100 Bin. Bits 1001111 Bin. Bits
    89 10000001 Bin. Bits
    90 861 /min RPM 7.1 mg/str Inj. Quantity 285.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 0 Bin. Bits
    91 127 (no units) -128 (no units) 285.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. -1 (no units)
    93 11 Bin. Bits 1.5 (no units) 6 (no units) 9.6 (no units)
    125 Transm. 1 ABS 1 Instruments 1 Airbag 1
    131 16 (no units) 7.1 mg/str Inj. Quantity 38.7C Temperature
    133 861 /min RPM 290.0 mg/str Mass Air / Rev. 999.6 mbar Absolute Pres. 0 (no units)
    134 40.00% Load 14.29 V Voltage
    140 1000111 Bin. Bits 10000000 Bin. Bits
    213 861 /min RPM 0.00% Load 0.0 km/h Speed 0 (no units)
    225 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 1 (no units)
    226 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    227 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    228 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    229 0 (no units) 0 (no units)
    Last edited by Uwe; 05-02-2017 at 08:44 AM. Reason: QUOTE -> CODE

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    Timing...........Timing .........anyone ........Timing!

    Show a log of timing cold within basic settings logged.........chances are once it is entered the car will stall from being out at baseline time.

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    Thanks Uwe for the editing. I was trying to put those scans in scrollable windows but couldn't figure it out. Is there somewhere on the Ross-Tech site that explains these things?

    Yes the timing when cold is very wack- 13.6 BTDC. Any ideas what would cause that? It does return to normal when warm.
    BTW- torsion when warm and cold is 0.0.

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