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    Exclamation FOBs remotes won't program when I've replaced BCM - Tiguan 2013

    I've replaced BCM on my 2013 Tiguan in order to retrofit bi-xenons
    Old BCM was 5K0 937 086 M , new one is a highline 5K0 937 087 T . Unit bought used.
    The problem I'm facing is that I cannot program FOBS (remotes). Flashes won't blink and when looking for error codes, I get error 01179 - Invalid key programming.
    I've followed all instructions by Ross-Tech very carefully.

    Any ideas?

    Full scan with new BCM is as follows:

    Code:
    Monday,17,April,2017,10:48:58:52699
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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    VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   License Plate: 8554
    Mileage: 117720km-73147mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 5N (7N0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 4C 52 53 56 61 62 72
    
    VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   Mileage: 117720km-73147miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels: 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 018 LE    HW: 03L 907 309 AE
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H28 4571  
       Revision: 41H28---    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 00190012040401080000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE 003009
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE.rod
       VCID: 78F43811C31E9081D1-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 AR    HW: 5N0 614 109 AR
       Component: J104   C6 450M VD56 0006  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000006258606
       Coding: 0037947
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7BFE271D3A28BB99BC-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 GJ    HW: 5K0 907 044 GJ
       Component: Climatronic   H19 1313  
       Revision: 00001004    
       Coding: 0010004003
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
       ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 79F23D15F8148989AE-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 937 087 T    HW: 5K0 937 087 T
       Component: BCM PQ35 H    021 0068  
       Revision: BK021001    
       Coding: 46180A3880251AC0408800C0340081644B51AA88436D81606480C7000041
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       VCID: 468886E9F16A367193-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N1 955 119     HW:              Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 08101  013 0204 
       Serial number: N1955119   204!
       Coding: 009795
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 051012 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 02304D
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 AA    HW: 5N0 959 655 AA
       Component: J234__20J VW10 HI   2118  
       Revision: 24017000    Serial number: 003L7PLTU4Q.  
       Coding: 0012362
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 7CFC24013F26BCA1B5-8028
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS661652712 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS670032702 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6P6IVBBKR 
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS6CUTADBKR 
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01578 - Airbag Deactivation Warning Lamp; Passenger Side (K145) 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 117724 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.04.17
                        Time: 10:45:13
    
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 501 BD    HW: 5K0 953 569 J
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  
       Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20121006300001
       Coding: 5180040000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6DDA1945BC5C252932-8038
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 920 883 A    HW: 5N0 920 883 A
       Component: KOMBI         H05 0505  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 111F01
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
       VCID: 3260CA3965E2BAD12F-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AC    HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
       Component: J533  Gateway H48 1633  
       Revision:   H48       Serial number: 270912F2000492
       Coding: 356002
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 86
                        Mileage: 117724 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.04.17
                        Time: 10:45:13
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
       Component: IMMO          H05 0505  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
       VCID: 6AD012598DB2321157-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 F    HW: 3C0 959 793 B
       Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0503  
       Revision: 13110009    Serial number: 0005716407
       Coding: 0200BC
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 3874F811839E508111-806C
    
       Slave Driver: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 F    HW: 3C0 959 794 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J388__TSG-HL  008 1504 
       Serial number: 00000007278896      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 N    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.285 1101  
       Revision: 1AH03837    Serial number: 00122690267701
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3D7AE90564BC75A9C2-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 F    HW: 3C0 959 792 B
       Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0503  
       Revision: 15110009    Serial number: 0005756361
       Coding: 0200BC
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 3972FD15B8944989EE-806C
    
       Slave Passenger: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 F    HW: 3C0 959 795 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J389__TSG-HR  008 1504 
       Serial number: 00000007283631      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 H    HW: 3AA 907 801 H
       Component: J540 EPB4  VW-86594 0010  
       Revision:   H19       Serial number: 00000000511436
       Coding: 0026167
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 3668F629418AA6F103-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
       Component: Batt.regelung H48 1633  
       Serial number: 270912F2000492
       Coding: 030F1859
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 H    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0180 
       Serial number: 00000000008900271979
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:22)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 04-18-2017 at 06:33 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    Have you looked at MVBs 091 and 092 for clues?

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    And Adaptation channel 19..

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    Thanks for replying Uwe!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Have you looked at MVBs 091 and 092 for clues?

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    you can check results by yourself below:



    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (5K0 937 087 T)

    21:42:13 Group 091: Remote Control
    0 Remote Key Number
    000 00 0 Remote Control Buttons
    2 Immobilizer Key Recognition
    0 Number of Adapted Remotes

    21:42:13 Group 092: Remote Conntrol
    no Value Fixed code
    no Value Code In Reception Range
    no Value Variable Code Algorithm

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    Any idea on what should I do?? no clues other than everything described on Ross Tech pages.....

    Best regards,

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    Thanks for replying!

    Thanks for replying NEtech!

    Ch19 shows that facory mode is disabled.

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    Per an email I was worried the replacement (used) BCM may not be compatible with the car/existing remotes.
    Code:
    We usually direct all tweak and retrofits to our forum
    
    http://forums.ross-tech.com
    
    .. but make sure you de-activated Channel 019: Factory Mode and followed 
    all of the Replacement Steps at the bottom of this page first:
    
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(5K)_Body_Control_Module
    
    If factory mode was already disabled and the remote(s) still will not 
    match you may have a compatibility problem with the new BCM and the 
    existing remotes.
    
    If that's the case I would suggest joining the R-T forum and create a 
    new thread within the Retrofits section.  You would want to post the 
    complete Auto-Scan with the factory condition module and coding in 
    addition to the scan in the current condition.
    
       If the BCM was sourced brand new from a VW dealer please include the 
    complete part number of the replacement (i.e. 5K0-937-087-AB-Z02 which 
    is the replacement according to PartsLink24 by VIN).
    
       If the BCM was sourced used it might not be possible to determine the 
    index code (Z02 for example) but the VIN from the donor car may add 
    clarity if you have it.
    Unfortunately that base part number 5K0 937 087 T has 100 possible index/color codes so it won't be easy to pin down which index code it is but I think that would be for 315MHz remotes. Take a look at it and see if any of the writing on the new box confirms the incorrect frequency. The direct replacement per VIN (5K0-937-087-AB-Z02) shows 433MHz.

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    315Mhz remotes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Per an email I was worried the replacement (used) BCM may not be compatible with the car/existing remotes.
    Code:
    We usually direct all tweak and retrofits to our forum
    
    http://forums.ross-tech.com
    
    .. but make sure you de-activated Channel 019: Factory Mode and followed 
    all of the Replacement Steps at the bottom of this page first:
    
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(5K)_Body_Control_Module
    
    If factory mode was already disabled and the remote(s) still will not 
    match you may have a compatibility problem with the new BCM and the 
    existing remotes.
    
    If that's the case I would suggest joining the R-T forum and create a 
    new thread within the Retrofits section.  You would want to post the 
    complete Auto-Scan with the factory condition module and coding in 
    addition to the scan in the current condition.
    
       If the BCM was sourced brand new from a VW dealer please include the 
    complete part number of the replacement (i.e. 5K0-937-087-AB-Z02 which 
    is the replacement according to PartsLink24 by VIN).
    
       If the BCM was sourced used it might not be possible to determine the 
    index code (Z02 for example) but the VIN from the donor car may add 
    clarity if you have it.
    Unfortunately that base part number 5K0 937 087 T has 100 possible index/color codes so it won't be easy to pin down which index code it is but I think that would be for 315MHz remotes. Take a look at it and see if any of the writing on the new box confirms the incorrect frequency. The direct replacement per VIN (5K0-937-087-AB-Z02) shows 433MHz.
    _____________________________________

    So Dana, Thanks again once more for replying.....

    Do you think if I'll try to replace my remotes with those of 315Mhz will work ?

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    You could try that but .. does that key separate from the remote fob? Some of the 2011+ model years (even without KESSY) are all one piece so you can't just slip on a remote like the good old days.

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    Hello again

    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    You could try that but .. does that key separate from the remote fob? Some of the 2011+ model years (even without KESSY) are all one piece so you can't just slip on a remote like the good old days.
    Actually test didn't work, I've just ordered another BCM, the AB one....

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