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    Audi A3 8P Sportback 2008 LHD steering rack replacement coding advice

    I am researching this job before starting- I am only investigating as there is a random clunk when tur and I read that there are well recorded problems with these steering racks ( I am basically assuming the worst in advance, happy not to be right!)

    My non-genuine parts supplier warned me that according to VIN the car has a Gen 2 steering rack and I would only likely be able to get a new unit which is Gen 3 which should be backwards compatible. Elsawin confirms this saying Gen 2 is no longer available from Audi although I have not called Audi to check. Part number of the steering rack listed by VIN is 1K1 423 055 K

    I have read Ross-Tech WIKI for the Golf MK5 1K found here: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...teering_Assist

    I assume this is the same type of system as I have on the A3 due to similar age.

    From the WIKI, most notably I see the note at the very bottom i.e.:

    "After Replacing this Control Module several Steps have to be performed in the following Order:

    Check/Update Steering Aid Adaptation Channels 002-009
    Perform Basic Setting for Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    Perform Steering Limit Stop Adaptation
    Upload/Install a proper Characteristic Curve

    Characteristic Curves need to be uploaded with the Factory Tool which has the latest Brand Version installed as well as access to the latest Flash Updates. Unless you have a Factory Tool which meets these Requirements the only Solution to accomplish this Step is to take the Car to the Dealer and have them perform this.

    In case you are having trouble with procedure please contact us directly and we will assist you with the Coding Process. Every inquiry on this topic has to include a full Auto-Scan as well as which parts have been replaced and why, also make sure the Auto-Scan includes the complete VIN of the vehicle in question."


    My questions:

    1) Can I conclude that there is still no way I will be able to upload/install a characteristic curve for a newly fitted steering rack using VCDS?
    2) Assuming no to the above, will I be able to drive the car without the characteristic curve installed the 10 miles or so the nearest dealer having done everything else?

    thanks in advance

    Andrew




    Code:
    Saturday,10,September,2016,10:24:39:31207
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 16.8.1.3 (x64)
    Data version: 20160902 DS256
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8P18A095741   License Plate:
    Mileage: 163610km-101662mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8P (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 72
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8P18A095741   Mileage: 163610km-101662miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-021-BLS.clb
       Part No SW: 03G 906 021 RD    HW: 03G 906 021 AB
       Component: R4 1,9L EDC  000SG  1889  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: AUX7Z0G9FNO10C
       Coding: 0000071
       Shop #: WSC 00347 219 107223
       VCID: 72E0125E6DD6C6D2A8-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021122
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 73EE175A12CCCFDAA3-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 AG    HW: 8P0 820 043 AG
       Component: KlimavollautomatH19 0420  
       Revision: 206333      Serial number: 8P0820043AG   
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 71E21D5268D0FDCA51-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 K    HW: 8P0 907 279 K
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2501  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007784848
       Coding: 0D880F01901410004F1600001600000000084E175C010000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 08192
       VCID: 458A99820CD8016ADD-8010
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8P1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU350   H01 0130  
       Coding: 00062736
       Shop #: WSC 06314  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8P0-959-655-94.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 L    HW: 8P0 959 655 L
       Component:    Airbag 9.41  H01 4210  
       Revision: 91H01421    Serial number: 003CP001FV45  
       Coding: 0070612
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 4B9EAFBA2ABCF71A0B-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB4060448B2I
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB40604C92CT
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 63528RB402F75C52S
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 63628RB40325F8EA 
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63747RB402FAC0D6+
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63847RB402E40A18N
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AH    HW: 1K0 953 549 AH
       Component: J0527           036 0070  
       Coding: 0000012
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 78F420760BAAAC8296-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 931 E    HW: 8P0 920 931 E
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H20 0640  
       Revision: D0H20001    Serial number: 2249G001111111
       Coding: 0004128
       Shop #: WSC 39920 001 1048576
       VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 154
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 P    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0191  
       Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2000K07A20817E
       Coding: E9807F061002022102
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 346CD446574288E27A-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 931 E    HW: 8P0 920 931 E
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H20 0640  
       Revision: D0H20001    Serial number: AUX7Z0G9FNO10C
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 K    HW: 8P0 959 801 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0050  
       Coding: 0000248
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 438E879A02EC3F5AF3-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.078 H08 1901  
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8P0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 959 433 L
       Component:    KSG          H11 0080  
       Coding: 0080202002186D0985054C8F0167
       Shop #: WSC 00350 219 17401
       VCID: 458A99820CD8016ADD-8010
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8Px-035-382.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P4 035 382 D    HW: 8P4 035 382 D
       Component: AB2 SUBWOOFERBOXH06 0180  
       Revision: 00005       Serial number: 30674703339456
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 K    HW: 8P0 959 802 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0050  
       Coding: 0000248
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 448C848607E23862CA-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 035 186 P    HW: 8P0 035 186 P
       Component: R Concert2+     H01 0270  
       Revision: 00H01000    Serial number: AUZ1Z3G6845465
       Coding: 0030211
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
       VCID: 3F868B6A6E045BBA97-806A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 24
                        Reset counter: 171
                        Mileage: 160743 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.07.07
                        Time: 22:49:48
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 E    HW: 8P4 959 801 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
       Coding: 0000216
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
       VCID: 41828D9218F02D4AE1-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 E    HW: 8P4 959 802 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
       Coding: 0000216
       Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
       VCID: 4280829E1DF63652F8-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    I would seriously check for a broken or incorrectly seated strut spring and even a bad strut mount bearing, control arm worn or even a shifting sub-frame from improper TQ or gap between uni-body.

    How have you verified the steering gear is what is at fault and it is not loose slightly failing to be secured to the sub-frame cross member?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andythechief View Post
    1) Can I conclude that there is still no way I will be able to upload/install a characteristic curve for a newly fitted steering rack using VCDS?
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by andythechief View Post
    2) Assuming no to the above, will I be able to drive the car without the characteristic curve installed the 10 miles or so the nearest dealer having done everything else?
    I've driven my son's 2007 Mk.5 Golf from home (where rodents chewed through some wires) to a local shop while the power steering was completely dead. I think that was only about 3 miles rather than 10. It wasn't exactly fun, but it was entirely doable.

    I'm not sure whether your new rack will be completely dead without the upload, or whether it has some generic curve in it that allows it to function to some degree.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    thanks Jack/Uwe. Definitely some more checking to do before pulling the steering rack out; not a cheap or easy job to do. I'll find the gremlin eventually! Thanks for the answers and suggestions.

    Andrew

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