Power Outlet Timeout through VDCS

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Does anyone have the coding to change the Cig Lighter outlets timeout to 99 Minutes or permanently on? I know you can jumper the fusebox, but I'd rather do it the civilized way.
 
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I think switching the fuse position actually IS the civilized way, as it's even suggested in the Owner's Manual of the car ;)
 
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The method I saw was to create a wire jumper with an inline fuse from one side of the fuse panel to the other. There's a way on a B8S4 to move a fuse?
 
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Most VW's have two fuse positions for the cigarette lighter fuse. Fuse in position 1 = switched power supply, switch the fuse to the other position = constant power supply. RTFM.
 
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Most VW's have two fuse positions for the cigarette lighter fuse. Fuse in position 1 = switched power supply, switch the fuse to the other position = constant power supply. RTFM.

I drive an Audi, not a VW. From what I can see there is no 2nd fuse position. I guess your RTFM has something special in it that doesn't apply to Audi.

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Dang Audi elitist! ;)

Is there an Auto-Scan from this car somewhere?

-Uwe-


See below for elitist autoscan... lol ;)
Thanks for looking at this Uwe!


Autoscan:
Code:
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com

VIN: WAUKGAFL4CA  License Plate: 
Mileage: 142220km-88371mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: FL-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 36 3C 42 46 47 52 53 55
          56 5F 62 6C 72

VIN: WAUKGAFL4CA   Mileage: 142220km-88371miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CCBA)       Labels:. 06E-907-551-CAK.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 551 D    HW: 8K0 907 551 A
   Component: 3.0T SIMOS84  H08 0003  
   Revision: --H08---    
   Coding: 0104000A240F0128
   Shop #: WSC 06324 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TFS0218K0907551D 001003
   ROD: EV_ECM30TFS0218K0907551D.rod
   VCID: 323E12A8A4A38567B73-8066

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B5-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K2 927 156 S    HW: 0B5 927 156 F
   Component: 0B5 30TFSINAR H10 0001  
   Revision: --H10---    Serial number: 0000000168
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501 A02087
   ROD: EV_TCMDL501.rod
   VCID: 46D65E78382B09C70BB-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BJ    HW: 8K0 907 379 BJ
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0060  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 290D1A
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   VCID: 025E82685403F5E7673-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CG    HW: 8K0 907 064 CG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0D0100
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 77A8E3BC0FC1A04F40D-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
   Serial number: 2311000262430004    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:. 8Tx-820-043-3Z.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8T1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H08 0180  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01181220110352
   Coding: 66106000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 005A88605A0FE7F7717-8054

1 Fault Found:
00457 - Control Module for Network (J519) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 13
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 141954 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.10.22
                    Time: 17:25:37


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H30 0392  
   Revision: 10030001    Serial number: 00000001168356
   Coding: 26001091003CAF212700080300003D0D0F9CD24802010161000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 3C223C90766743176DF-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 141211  H07 0070 
   Serial number: SWF11120146264      
   Coding: 00F511

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 20010916            
   Coding: 025028

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000000812110065

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C    HW: 8K0 907 410 C
   Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 

1 Fault Found:
01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101110
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 13
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 141954 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.10.22
                    Time: 17:25:00


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 8K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 T    HW: 8P0 919 475 M
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H01 0081  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 36861134900422
   Coding: 20010D
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 4ACE6A482CB3EDA7EF3-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 K    HW: 8K0 959 655 K
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H45 0610  
   Serial number: 003GLD90477.  
   Coding: 303837354230303030304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 45D45974052D02DF021-8010

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C    HW: 8K0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
   Serial number: 5810000R1100006MMP

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME6620396FK

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME49750670C

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME45684C6E-

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME0E65104CK

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME7166187A2

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME2766137A%

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 G    HW: 8K0 953 568 G
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H17 0014  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372KLC001DO 
   Coding: 000036
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3E263698607B510743B-806A

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0010 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 981 Q    HW: 8K0 920 981 Q
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H12 0261  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: ND420FDDC     
   Coding: 831709008B00D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 41DC4D6411852EFF3E9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AJ    HW: 8T0 907 468 L
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H10 0120  
   Revision: FC201059    Serial number: 5900F11C028020
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 094C95446935A6BF269-805C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8040 
   Serial number: 8540856001          

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 A    HW: 8K0 907 163 A
   Component: 4 Wheel Drive H13 0025  
   Serial number: 000812110001015
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003016
   ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
   VCID: 2E0606D8B09BA187D3B-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D    HW: 8K0 959 760 D
   Component: MEM-FS        H06 0076  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000020176063
   Coding: 00581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B203F8C7369442F645-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 566 H    HW: 4L0 907 566 B
   Component: J0769_SWA_MasterH02 0030  
   Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-82
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3C223C907A6743176DF-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 907 568 H
   Component: J0770_SWA_Slave_H01 0030

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-92

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 5F01.12.1100H010003C322137ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 322137ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 M    HW: 8T0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H08 1501  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 53F0772CFBF9AC6F9C5-8006

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CG    HW: 8K0 907 064 CG
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0165771988    
   Coding: 0106063A00FA44058330013200000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
   VCID: 77A8E3BC0FC1A04F40D-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0070 
   Serial number: 00000000000000463946

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B    HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS050  H08 0043 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AN    HW: 8T0 035 223 AK
   Component: DSP Prem      H10 0190  
   Revision: 00010001    Serial number: 34804012392403
   VCID: 7AAEFA883CD3BD273F3-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 M    HW: 8T0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H08 1501  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 52FE7228C4E3A567973-8006

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000001074202
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 343214B05E378B57A5F-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8T0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 8H0 907 357 C    HW: 8H0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS 1           H01 0040  
   Revision: 00H01001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000019
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   VCID: 323E12A8A8238567B73-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 941 329 
   Component: AFS-Modul links H01 S001

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 941 329 
   Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH01 S001

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 B    HW: 4G0 035 082 
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H53 0076  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156L/0B7584005
   Coding: 020007010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 1F18EB1CC7B1380F68D-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 664 D    HW: 8T1 035 664 B
   Component: H-BN-NA       H52 0165  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 490L90B7656953
   Coding: 010200000206E9FF77091F0E040000030000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 392C25847955763F769-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AD
   Component: NAR 2011  0505 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604     HW: 8R0 919 604 
   Component: DU7 High  H41 0104 
   Serial number: A130LA0BS077026     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 609 G    HW: 8T0 919 609 G
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H08 0100 
   Serial number: 00000001020292      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 A
   Component: CD-Database  2712 

1 Fault Found:
03157 - Functionality limited due to Communications Disruption 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 94
                    Mileage: 141954 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.10.22
                    Time: 17:27:08

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits: 00000001 00100000
                    Bin. Bits: 01001000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 N    HW: 8T0 959 795 B
   Component: TSG HL        H06 1501  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 56F68E38E80BB9477BB-8002

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 525PA8-J1892IK
   Coding: 1000006
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 382A20804E5F6F37897-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-794.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 N    HW: 8T0 959 795 B
   Component: TSG HR        H06 1501  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 56F68E38E80BB9477BB-8002

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:55, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.2V)-----------
 
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I don't see an obvious way to change that with VCDS. However, your CCM's coding indicates that there is a "Power Outlet Relay" installed. So if you really want to change this behavior, I'd suggest digging into the wiring diagrams to see exactly how that relay is controlled. I would think it should be fairly straightforward to override it...

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I don't see an obvious way to change that with VCDS. However, your CCM's coding indicates that there is a "Power Outlet Relay" installed. So if you really want to change this behavior, I'd suggest digging into the wiring diagrams to see exactly how that relay is controlled. I would think it should be fairly straightforward to override it...

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It looks like that relay controls that row of fuses, is there a way to put a 99 minute delay on that relay and the entire bank?
 
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It looks like that relay controls that row of fuses, is there a way to put a 99 minute delay on that relay and the entire bank?
OK, but how is that relay controlled? Presumably the J393 CCM turns it on and off. Is it low-side switched or high-side?

I don't see any way to change it in the CCM itself. That's not to say I coudn't have missed something though.

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...Presumably the J393 CCM turns it on and off. Is it low-side switched or high-side?

Yes. J393 controls the high side of the relay. I too, have searched for an adaptation channel in 46 to see if I can extend the time. All of the channels with zero were changed but didn't make a difference to the time. Just as well, really, as having 46 awake for a long time would flatten the battery.

All is not lost, though. Just over Christmas, I've bought a couple of these relays that will plug directly into the Power Outlets Relay socket. (You only need one; the other one I bought is for powering the fridge on my work's truck. :D) I've timed mine so it will stay on for 2hrs to charge devices connected to the 12V socket in the boot. The rest of the car goes to sleep as normal. :)
 
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Yes. J393 controls the high side of the relay. I too, have searched for an adaptation channel in 46 to see if I can extend the time. All of the channels with zero were changed but didn't make a difference to the time. Just as well, really, as having 46 awake for a long time would flatten the battery.

All is not lost, though. Just over Christmas, I've bought a couple of these relays that will plug directly into the Power Outlets Relay socket. (You only need one; the other one I bought is for powering the fridge on my work's truck. :D) I've timed mine so it will stay on for 2hrs to charge devices connected to the 12V socket in the boot. The rest of the car goes to sleep as normal. :)

Exactly what I'm trying to accomplish!
This part seems like it's hard to find in the US. Were you able to directly swap the existing relay with this one?

HC Cargo Part Reference: https://hc-cargo.es/files/billeder/ecom/products/fg_annex/DK060212.pdf

The only US distributor: http://www.wagneralt.com/products/160927.asp
 
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So it looks like only alternator rebuild shops can purchase from this distributor, I’ll keep trying until I find a source.
 
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Anyone know where to find this relay in the US or another 12v 5 pin relay that has a 1-2 hour timer?
 
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