2001 VW Jetta 2.0L EPC code and no throttle response

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We have a 2001 VW Jetta 2.0L that currently has a EPC code showing on the dash.
The car will start and idle fine, but completely ignores any gas pedal movement.

This is the PR-Build data picture.

So far as we know the car is in stock condition.

VCDS Auto-scan:
Code:
Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
          75 76
 
   Mileage: 282800km-175723miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AZG.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 DS
   Component: 2.0l R4/2V      G  *3664  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 72A8FA6E3C17A5DFA1-5184

20 Faults Found:
16804 - Catalyst System; Bank 1 
            P0420 - 35-00 - Efficiency Below Threshold
17766 - Cylinder 2 Ignition Circuit 
            P1358 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
17772 - Cylinder 4 Ignition Circuit 
            P1364 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
17769 - Cylinder 3 Ignition Circuit 
            P1361 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
17763 - Cylinder 1 Ignition Circuit 
            P1355 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
16955 - Brake Switch (F) 
            P0571 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
16605 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle (G188) 
            P0221 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check 
            P1143 - 35-10 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
17950 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187) 
            P1542 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
17553 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
            P1145 - 35-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
16523 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2 
            P0139 - 35-10 - Response too Slow - Intermittent
17574 - Long Term Fuel Trim Additive Air; Bank 1; Range 2 
            P1166 - 35-10 - System too Rich - Intermittent
16826 - EVAP Emission Control Sys 
            P0442 - 35-10 - Small Leak - Intermittent
17972 - Throttle Actuator (J338) 
            P1564 - 35-10 - Under-Voltage during Basic Setting - Intermittent
16891 - Idle Control System RPM 
            P0507 - 35-10 - Higher than Expected. - Intermittent
17559 - Long Term Fuel Trim Additive Air; Bank 1; Range 1 
            P1151 - 35-10 - System too Lean - Intermittent
17967 - Throttle Body (J338) 
            P1559 - 35-10 - Fault in basic settings - Intermittent
16610 - Throttle Pedal Position Sensors (G79)/(G185) 
            P0226 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
18041 - Accelerator Position Sensor 2 (G185) 
            P1633 - 35-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
16795 - Secondary Air Injection System 
            P0411 - 35-00 - Incorrect Flow Detected
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 C
   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  
   Coding: 0004097
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 2A18220E8447AD1FD9-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
   Component: 04 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
   Coding: 12340
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 3A38124E24E71D9FA9-5184

10 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00595 - Crash Data Stored 
            35-00 - -
01214 - Crash Data for Belt Tensioner Stored 
            35-00 - -
00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00589 - Airbag Igniter 1; Passenger Side (N131) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 920 905 J
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V52   
   Coding: 07232
   Shop #: WSC 23329  
   VCID: 2E102E1EE8AFC13F05-5184

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
   Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086         
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086       

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 70ACF066321B97CF57-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
   Component: 61 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 0640B6BE209FA97F9D-4B3C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r  

1 Fault Found:
00953 - Interior Light Time limit 
            25-00 - Unknown Switch Condition

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:29, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/13.7V)-----------

What we have already tried is the following:
Replaced gas pedal sending unit, did not fix the problem.
Swapped the MAF with some spares, none of which fixed the issue. (could be all three were bad, but unlikely)

We suspect that the ECU needs replacing, could that be why the VCDS scan output show so many problems in the Engine module?
Or is the ECU fine, and the car really does have all of the problems listed?
 
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Hi and welcome!
First of all clear all DTC's, run two new scans - one with just ignition on, second with engine @ idle. Post here.
 
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Ok, all DTC's have been cleared, here are the Auto-Scans:

Just the ignition on:
Code:
Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
          75 76
 
   Mileage: 282800km-175723miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AZG.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 DS
   Component: 2.0l R4/2V      G  *3664  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 72A8FA6E3C17A5DFA1-5184

2 Faults Found:
16610 - Throttle Pedal Position Sensors (G79)/(G185) 
            P0226 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
18047 - Accelerator Position Sensor 1/2 (G79/G185) 
            P1639 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 C
   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  
   Coding: 0004097
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 2A18220E8447AD1FD9-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
   Component: 04 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
   Coding: 12340
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 3A38124E24E71D9FA9-4B3C

10 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00595 - Crash Data Stored 
            35-00 - -
01214 - Crash Data for Belt Tensioner Stored 
            35-00 - -
00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00589 - Airbag Igniter 1; Passenger Side (N131) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 920 905 J
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V52   
   Coding: 07232
   Shop #: WSC 23329  
   VCID: 2E102E1EE8AFC13F05-5184

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
   Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086         
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086       

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 70ACF066321B97CF57-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
   Component: 61 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 0640B6BE209FA97F9D-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r  

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 05:27, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----

...and with the engine running at idle:
Code:
Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV (1998 > 2014)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
          75 76
 
   Mileage: 282800km-175723miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AZG.clb
   Part No: 06A 906 032 DS
   Component: 2.0l R4/2V      G  *3664  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 72A8FA6E3C17A5DFA1-5184

2 Faults Found:
16610 - Throttle Pedal Position Sensors (G79)/(G185) 
            P0226 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
18047 - Accelerator Position Sensor 1/2 (G79/G185) 
            P1639 - 35-00 - Implausible Signal
Readiness: 0110 1101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 907 379 C
   Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  
   Coding: 0004097
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 2A18220E8447AD1FD9-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 F
   Component: 04 AIRBAG VW6  0202 0004  
   Coding: 12340
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 3A38124E24E71D9FA9-4B5C

10 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00592 - Seat Belt Switch; Passenger (E25) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00595 - Crash Data Stored 
            35-00 - -
01214 - Crash Data for Belt Tensioner Stored 
            35-00 - -
00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
            32-10 - Resistance Too High - Intermittent
00589 - Airbag Igniter 1; Passenger Side (N131) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
00654 - Seat Belt Tensioner Igniter; Driver Side (N153) 
            32-00 - Resistance Too High

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 920 905 J
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V52   
   Coding: 07232
   Shop #: WSC 23329  
   VCID: 2E102E1EE8AFC13F05-5184

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: IMMO
   Component: IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086         
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0Y2854086       

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 70ACF066321B97CF57-5184

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
   Component: 61 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 00066  
   VCID: 0640B6BE209FA97F9D-4B3C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J1959801C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J1959802D
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 61 Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r  

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:28, VBatt start/end: 14.3V/14.2V)-----------

At first glance, they appear to be the same, and many of the Engine module problems have not reoccurred, at least yet.
After the DTCs were cleared, the throttle started working, but only for a few seconds before it stopped having any effect on engine RPM.
 
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Wiring fault to APP sensors is possible, too, but, based on experience, I'd start with replacing the accelerator pedal with integrated G79/G185. They use to fail on MK4 Golf/Bora or NAR Jetta gasoline engines.
 
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I have yet to see an APP fail that was condemned because each one received tested good after the alleged diagnosis.

Usually the OXS takes time to wipe the POTs line again & after the heater or wires short again.
 
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Totally agree with Jack.
O2 heater circuit shorted to ground, not fused and poof goes ECU.

Seen it a few times everything in ECU works codes, clearing codes, data but these two codes will not clear and you can't rev engine just idle.

I would check exhaust to see if O2 wires are shorted. Fix it and installing a fuse for heater circuit good idea. Then get a new ECU.

Bet if you open ECU you will see a burned spot and smell burnt.

Good Luck
 
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