Skoda Octavia DSG gearbox rpoblems

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We have a 2010 Skoda Octavia 1.6TDI with OAM DSG box.

Late last year it started having gear change problems, and a scan showed this.

Code:
Monday,12,December,2016,12:52:05:62922
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.4.2 (x64)
Data version: 20161129 DS267.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   License Plate: 
Mileage: 188710km-117258mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1Z (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   Mileage: 188710km-117258miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels: 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 DD    HW: 03L 906 023 AG
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H23 8795  
   Revision: --H23---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00254016032500080000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DD 003005
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DB.rod
   VCID: 6BD528F282703A1A0C-803E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 P    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 2156  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: 00001108276077
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 23000 576 92256
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464AAE2-8068

2 Faults Found:
005981 - Clutch 1 Opens Unintentionally 
               P175D - 000 -  - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 26
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 187663 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.04.14
                    Time: 17:25:08

006298 - Clutch 1 
               P189A - 000 - Clearance too Small - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 10
                    Reset counter: 9
                    Mileage: 188052 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.04.17
                    Time: 05:43:56


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107  
   Revision: 00H30001    
   Coding: 133B201C092300FCC80E04E9901D0081310000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 7AFB1DB6F52A939287-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 AR    HW: 3T0 907 044 AR
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0401  
   Revision: 00005001    
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 020B655695FADB52DF-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575  
   Revision: 00103 AG    
   Coding: 48180AB8B05BB1C04008008001000124430000AE626D81605C0440000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 326BF5966DDAABD20F-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 22031  22  0601 
   Coding: 00D7B7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 250310 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 0730ED

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 1Z0-919-475-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 919 475 B    HW: 1Z0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H06 0006  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 66641008108665
   Coding: 100101
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 408FAF5ED376094289-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q4 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2KUWJN  
   Coding: 0020788
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464AAE2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME507048094

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME507049096

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CP    HW: 1K0 953 549 CP
   Component: J0527           053 0111  
   Coding: 0001034
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 020B65565DFADB52DF-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 903 G    HW: 1Z0 920 903 G
   Component: KOMBI         H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 410F00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3979C2BAB8AC588ACE-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4520K1032505E4
   Coding: EDA07F06000202002303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 69D952FA408C280A7E-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03005
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADB2DF68D8A231277-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 AA    HW: 1T0 959 701 AA
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 76E309860132F7F2E3-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3169FA9AA8DC90CA76-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 S    HW: 1T0 959 702 S
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 489FB77E3B46310241-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 156 F    HW: 1Z0 035 156 F
   Component: BOLERO        010 0053  
   Revision: 0A001001    Serial number: SKZ1Z3K8443264
   Coding: 0D0004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3561CE8A9CB4BCEA2A-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 326BF596ADDAABD20F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 3365F09252C0A2DA04-8066

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:27)--------------------------
As this was rather beyond our means (we work on trucks primarily) we got it into the main dealer to see if they could shed some light on the issues, they said it was either the clutchs or the Mechatronic.

I then found a local gearbox expert who'd been on the LUK course for installing and setting up the twin plate clutches and had the tools to do this.

We removed the box, and he fitted a genuine clutch kit and set it all up, we fitted a new LUK flywheel, changed the gearbox oil and refitted the box.

On carrying out basic training we still had gear change problems, but the car did drive.

We carried out another fault code read, we still had Clutch 1 Opens Unintentionally, but the other fault had now changed to Clutch 2 P177C - 003 - Tolerance Limit Reached - Intermittentt

Code:
Monday,13,February,2017,16:50:18:62922
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.2.1 (x64)
Data version: 20170131 DS267.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN:    License Plate: 



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                Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
Control Module Part Number: 0AM 300 048 P    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
  Component and/or Version: GSG DSG AG7     431 2156
           Software Coding: 0000020
            Work Shop Code: WSC 23000 576 92256
                      VCID: 3D71D6AA648464A9C9-8068
3 Faults Found:

005981 - Clutch 1 Opens Unintentionally 
               P175D - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192028 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.14.30
                    Time: 16:12:22

006012 - Clutch 2 
               P177C - 003 - Tolerance Limit Reached - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192028 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.14.30
                    Time: 16:12:22

006011 - Clutch 1 
               P177B - 003 - Tolerance Limit Reached - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100011
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 10
                    Mileage: 192035 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.14.30
                    Time: 16:18:33
In discussion with the gearbox specialist it was decided to remove the box so he could recheck the clutch was setup properly, which is was. So we then decided to fit a new Mechatronic unit which he supplied and installed for us. We then refitted the box.

The car did select gears, and to warm it up for basic training the fitter drove it out the workshop - it wasn't selecting gears properly, on driving back in it stalled.

He then tried to carry out basic training, but it would stop pretty much after it started with the error 255,44,0 which I believe is Neutral Switch K2 timeout.

This is what the latest scan come's up with.

Code:
Thursday,23,March,2017,16:04:32:62922
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   License Plate: 
Mileage: 192050km-119334mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1Z (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   Mileage: 192050km-119334miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels: 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 DD    HW: 03L 906 023 AG
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H23 8795  
   Revision: --H23---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00254016032500080000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DD 003005
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DB.rod
   VCID: 6BD528F282703A192C-803E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 P    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 9031  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501702195609
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464A9C2-8068

4 Faults Found:
005999 - Clutch 2 Closes Unintentionally 
               P176F - 000 -  - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 11
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 02:30:17

005983 - Transmission 
               P175F - 000 - Basic Settings Not Performed
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 11
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 02:30:17

001850 - Gear 5 
               P073A - 000 - Not Selectable - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 02:37:53

001543 - Control Module Performance Implausible 
               P0607 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 02:37:53


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107  
   Revision: 00H30001    
   Coding: 133B201C092300FCC80E04E9901D0081310000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 7AFB1DB6F52A9391A7-802E

1 Fault Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:02

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 14
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 8195
                    Count: 35328
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 AR    HW: 3T0 907 044 AR
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0401  
   Revision: 00005001    
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 020B655695FADB51FF-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575  
   Revision: 00103 AG    
   Coding: 48180AB8B05BB1C04008008001000124430000AE626D81605C0440000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 326BF5966DDAABD12F-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 22031  22  0601 
   Coding: 00D7B7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 250310 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 0730ED

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

2 Faults Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:03

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00907 - Intervention load Management 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:03


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 1Z0-919-475-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 919 475 B    HW: 1Z0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H06 0006  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 66641008108665
   Coding: 100101
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 408FAF5ED3760941A9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q4 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2KUWJN  
   Coding: 0020788
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464A9C2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME507048094

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME507049096

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CP    HW: 1K0 953 549 CP
   Component: J0527           053 0111  
   Coding: 0001034
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 020B65565DFADB51FF-8056

1 Fault Found:
00002 - Transmission Control Unit 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 903 G    HW: 1Z0 920 903 G
   Component: KOMBI         H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 410F00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3979C2BAB8AC5889EE-806C

1 Fault Found:
12648704 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Date: 2017.03.23
                    Time: 00:00:02


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4520K1032505E4
   Coding: EDA07F06000202002303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 69D952FA408C28095E-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03005
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADB2DF68D8A231157-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 AA    HW: 1T0 959 701 AA
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 76E309860132F7F1C3-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3169FA9AA8DC90C956-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 S    HW: 1T0 959 702 S
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 489FB77E3B46310161-801C

1 Fault Found:
00121 - Outside Warning Light/Door exit Light Passenger Side 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 156 F    HW: 1Z0 035 156 F
   Component: BOLERO        010 0053  
   Revision: 0A001001    Serial number: SKZ1Z3K8443264
   Coding: 0D0004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3561CE8A9CB4BCE90A-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 326BF596ADDAABD12F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 3365F09252C0A2D924-8066

No fault code found.

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VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   License Plate: 
Mileage: 192050km-119334mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 1Z (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: TMBGT21Z6A2112354   Mileage: 192050km-119334miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels: 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 DD    HW: 03L 906 023 AG
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H23 8795  
   Revision: --H23---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00254016032500080000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DD 003005
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DB.rod
   VCID: 6BD528F282703A192C-803E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-927-769.clb
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 P    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 9031  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: CU501702195609
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464A9C2-8068

1 Fault Found:
005999 - Clutch 2 Closes Unintentionally 
               P176F - 000 - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 04:12:01


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107  
   Revision: 00H30001    
   Coding: 133B201C092300FCC80E04E9901D0081310000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 7AFB1DB6F52A9391A7-802E

1 Fault Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:02

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 14
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 8195
                    Count: 35328
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 AR    HW: 3T0 907 044 AR
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0401  
   Revision: 00005001    
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 020B655695FADB51FF-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575  
   Revision: 00103 AG    
   Coding: 48180AB8B05BB1C04008008001000124430000AE626D81605C0440000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 326BF5966DDAABD12F-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 22031  22  0601 
   Coding: 00D7B7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 250310 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 0730ED

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

2 Faults Found:
01315 - Transmission Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:03

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.25 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00907 - Intervention load Management 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.08.14
                    Time: 00:00:03


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 1Z0-919-475-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 919 475 B    HW: 1Z0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H06 0006  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 66641008108665
   Coding: 100101
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 408FAF5ED3760941A9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q4 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2KUWJN  
   Coding: 0020788
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3D71D6AA648464A9C2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME507048094

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME507049096

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CP    HW: 1K0 953 549 CP
   Component: J0527           053 0111  
   Coding: 0001034
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 020B65565DFADB51FF-8056

1 Fault Found:
00002 - Transmission Control Unit 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 903 G    HW: 1Z0 920 903 G
   Component: KOMBI         H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 410F00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3979C2BAB8AC5889EE-806C

1 Fault Found:
12648704 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 29
                    Mileage: 192055 km
                    Date: 2017.03.23
                    Time: 00:00:02


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4520K1032505E4
   Coding: EDA07F06000202002303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 69D952FA408C28095E-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H06 0305  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03005
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6ADB2DF68D8A231157-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 AA    HW: 1T0 959 701 AA
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 76E309860132F7F1C3-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3169FA9AA8DC90C956-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 S    HW: 1T0 959 702 S
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114  
   Coding: 0000758
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 489FB77E3B46310161-801C

1 Fault Found:
00121 - Outside Warning Light/Door exit Light Passenger Side 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 156 F    HW: 1Z0 035 156 F
   Component: BOLERO        010 0053  
   Revision: 0A001001    Serial number: SKZ1Z3K8443264
   Coding: 0D0004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3561CE8A9CB4BCE90A-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 326BF596ADDAABD12F-8066

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 3365F09252C0A2D924-8066

No fault code found.

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I can clear all the faults, exit the controller and then scan again and the Clutch 2 Closes Unintentionally fault returns, this is just with the ignition on, not running.

I have left the car idling to get the box up to temperature and tried several basic trainings, but it always comes comes up with the K2 Neutral switch error.

Sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to include all info I could.

Any idea's please?
 
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Yup .......the slave units are contaminated permeating the solenoid & that is electronically switched, further need to be changed along with a slightly heavier hydraulic oil.
 
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Thank you very much for the reply, could you explain further as the above doesn't make sense to us :confused:
 
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Thank you very much for the reply, could you explain further as the above doesn't make sense to us :confused:
The units which engage the clutch sir they can fail too.....

Time to get a factory repair manual.
 
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I'm pretty sure the gearbox specialist we're using has a manual for these boxes, although I haven't spoken to him since posting this thread.

I thought the units/servo's which operate the clutches are part of the mechatronic unit, I've not seen it disassembled but looking at pictures on the internet clearly shows the two push rods for the clutches coming out of the mechatronic unit, which has been changed.
 
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I'm pretty sure the gearbox specialist we're using has a manual for these boxes, although I haven't spoken to him since posting this thread.

I thought the units/servo's which operate the clutches are part of the mechatronic unit, I've not seen it disassembled but looking at pictures on the internet clearly shows the two push rods for the clutches coming out of the mechatronic unit, which has been changed.
What about the fluid for them?

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As I understand it the mechatronic unit is a sealed unit with it's own hydraulic system and oil, totally separate from the gearbox oil, it is supplied pre-filled. We also changed the gearbox oil.

The manuals and instructions I've read have all stated not to spill any fluid out of the mechatronic breather when working on it or the gearbox as it can not be refilled.
 
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Check the KS, what's that supposed to mean???
 
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RTFB and search the term and you will in fact find it.
Jack, I've been using forums for well over twenty years, and I have to say that this has so far been the most unhelpful forum I have ever used! So far all you have done is offered very cryptic advice that even other forum members don't know what you mean!

If you care to search my username you will see that I'm well known on quite a few forums for various things, and I'm very helpful where I can be, I find you're attitude insulting and very unhelpful!

Unfortunately I do not have many hours to digest and and read an entire manual. As for searching for KS, do you even realise how many words contain KS! Try worKShop, forKS, VolKSwagon just for starters!

I have spoken to the gearbox engineer who we've been working with, he has told me the Mechatronic unit is a self contained unit containing the clutch servo's and is pre-filled with oil. If I'm wrong about this then please explain why, any idiot can say somebody is wrong without actually explaining why! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I've been a truck (heavy goods vehicles) mechanic for 31 years, I've managed this workshop for 18 years, we have very little to do with cars, the gearbox specialist's main area is old fashioned auto's with torque converters, now a thing of the past so he's trying to learn the modern equivalents, attending courses and investing money, but it all takes time and experience to learn. Unfortunately their are no local DSG specialists - if there was the car would be there, there is the main dealer of course, but we all know how quickly that adds up.

I'll also add the that the gearbox specialist's wife is currently in hospital (not local) and he's also just moved premises, so is struggling for time as well.

Hey Jack, even I don't know what "KS" means in this context. :p

-Uwe-
Thank you for you're feedback on this, Jack's certainly making things far harder, as if they were not hard enough.
 
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Just add to the above I've just flicked through quite a lot of the manual (nothing regarding KS jumps out at me), and it clearly states the oil should not be drained from the mechatronic unit, and new units are supplied filled with oil. It's also quite clear from the pictures that ALL the servo's for the clutches and the selector forks are built into the the mechatronic unit.

I should hopefully have the old machatronic back soon, so will be able to look at it myself.
 
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I'm certainly not an expert in this area but we do have this page to offer:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/7-Speed_Direct_Shift_Gearbox_(DSG/0AM)

I agree with interpretation of that error:
255 = Basic Settings was canceled because
44 = Neutral position not possible

Most of the e-mail inquires we receive pertaining to fault codes and the inability to finish Basic Settings are related to the mechanical removal/installation position of the Mechatronic unit so we have a wall of Special Notes on that Wiki page.

I did not dig into the repair manual for this particular vehicle... but based on memory I think the shifter must be in N and Basic Settings 062 would be used before removing the Mechatronic unit. I think they even comment/describe reaching into the trans and making sure all of the shift forks are still in a neutral position before installing the replacement Mechatronic.

If that doesn't help steer you in the correct direction please bump this back up.
 
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Jack, I've been using forums for well over twenty years, and I have to say that this has so far been the most unhelpful forum I have ever used! So far all you have done is offered very cryptic advice that even other forum members don't know what you mean!

If you care to search my username you will see that I'm well known on quite a few forums for various things, and I'm very helpful where I can be, I find you're attitude insulting and very unhelpful!

Unfortunately I do not have many hours to digest and and read an entire manual. As for searching for KS, do you even realise how many words contain KS! Try worKShop, forKS, VolKSwagon just for starters!

I have spoken to the gearbox engineer who we've been working with, he has told me the Mechatronic unit is a self contained unit containing the clutch servo's and is pre-filled with oil. If I'm wrong about this then please explain why, any idiot can say somebody is wrong without actually explaining why! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I've been a truck (heavy goods vehicles) mechanic for 31 years, I've managed this workshop for 18 years, we have very little to do with cars, the gearbox specialist's main area is old fashioned auto's with torque converters, now a thing of the past so he's trying to learn the modern equivalents, attending courses and investing money, but it all takes time and experience to learn. Unfortunately their are no local DSG specialists - if there was the car would be there, there is the main dealer of course, but we all know how quickly that adds up.

I'll also add the that the gearbox specialist's wife is currently in hospital (not local) and he's also just moved premises, so is struggling for time as well.
It took me all of 1 minute to hit CRTL F and search the SSP 390 on the 0AM for KS....= Clutch safety valve!

I figure if I can do this and I have already given you insight to the oil circuits and section ( which you dismissed! )....then why can't you do this?

I wasn't being cryptic and was just trying to use the KISS method.
It says right in the SSP that oils and fills can be observed in the RTFB.....I made a screen shot!
I have successfully helped people with this trans now for dumb issues like this virtually and I have never personally taken one apart because they are not even here.
You certainly took a long enough time to write this post..........Don't break my balls for trying to help you.....only people that know me usually do this with permission.
The reason I pointed you to the SSP, was they bring more insight than the actual manual on many levels such as design and operation.
This way it gives you the ability to understand function verse some stupid trouble tree.
I apologize for trying to help you and you feeling insulted because you have too much experience.
I don't know everything and I have 35 years in this sandbox.......again sorry!
I'll go stand in the corner now because now I kind of feel insulted with the no good deed goes unpunished scenario.

Page 41 PDF SSP 390
 
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I'm certainly not an expert in this area but we do have this page to offer:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rbox_(DSG/0AM)

I agree with interpretation of that error:
255 = Basic Settings was canceled because
44 = Neutral position not possible

Most of the e-mail inquires we receive pertaining to fault codes and the inability to finish Basic Settings are related to the mechanical removal/installation position of the Mechatronic unit so we have a wall of Special Notes on that Wiki page.

I did not dig into the repair manual for this particular vehicle... but based on memory I think the shifter must be in N and Basic Settings 062 would be used before removing the Mechatronic unit. I think they even comment/describe reaching into the trans and making sure all of the shift forks are still in a neutral position before installing the replacement Mechatronic.

If that doesn't help steer you in the correct direction please bump this back up.
This is a great post Dana and explains sort of where I am tying to go with this.

If hydraulic PSI cant be made due to a stuck valve or MEC improperly TQ'd then you cant make Neutral............Ok back to the corner...

Hey Jack, even I don't know what "KS" means in this context.


-Uwe-
Wasn't the intent Uwe .....Just trying to get people to RTFB stuff and if they did, even with many years of experience............ they would see the JPPSG.

If I was working on something I am not familiar with I'd probably sit down with a good coffee and read a little. If I didn't have time or the tools/experience I'd pass on the work or embrace the learning experience.
 
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@Dana thank you for the reply.

We couldn't put the mechatronic into removal mode as the box was already out for the clutch to be checked, with hindsight prior to removing the box we should have put it into removal mode, but I was unaware/had forgotten - I can't remember everything I read. We had a gearbox specialist remove and fit the mechatronic unit, I suppose it's possible that the gear change plungers have not engaged properly with the selector forks.

Jack has hinted that it could be a oil problem, but everything I've read and been told shows the mechatronic as a self contained hydraulic unit, and I'm certainly not going to take it apart or fill it with thicker oil, if it's faulty it will go back under warranty.

I've done an awful lot of research and reading on this, but trying to run a busy commercial workshop, do the planing, ordering, invoicing means there are many pressures and many interruptions, I also have a home life.

Sorry to the others for the following, but I feel I need to point out a few things, I'm sure Jacks trying to help but it's just complicated things for me. He seems to assume that people know what he's thinking and knows, we don't. So I'm going to try and be constructive here.

It took me all of 1 minute to hit CRTL F and search the SSP 390 on the 0AM for KS....= Clutch safety valve!

I figure if I can do this and I have already given you insight to the oil circuits and section ( which you dismissed! )....then why can't you do this?
Quite simple really, you've not once mentioned SSP 390, and secondly I don't have a clue as to what the SSP 390 is! If I hover the mouse over it it says Self Study Program, am I supposed to magically know what this is or where to find it??? However googling does show some results which will take yet more time to research. I didn't dismiss the oil circuits I told you the mechatronic unit had been replaced and as I understand it is a self contained unit, which my gearbox specialist has confirmed.

I wasn't being cryptic and was just trying to use the KISS method.
Try ready your first post in this thread and tell me that's not cryptic, it certainly isn't keeping it simple.

It says right in the SSP that oils and fills can be observed in the RTFB.....I made a screen shot!
Again I have no idea what the SSP is, it's has not previously been mentioned in this thread and as for RTFB it stands for Read the F*&*&&^ Book, or if I hover the mouse over it Read the Fine Bently Book, I've no real idea what this means - it may be plain as day in America, but I'm English

I have successfully helped people with this trans now for dumb issues like this virtually and I have never personally taken one apart because they are not even here.
It may seem like a dumb issue to you, but to me it's a big issue, I have very little experience with the Ross Tech software, and I certainly have no experience with DSG gearboxes, thats why we employed an gearbox specialist, but he doesn't have a lot of experience either with DSG's.

You certainly took a long enough time to write this post..........
What has that got to do with anything? Our main job is to keep the commercial vehicles running -
rigs I think you call them in America, that's what earns the money, this is a company car and very low priority.

Don't break my balls for trying to help you.....only people that know me usually do this with permission.
Gee, you expect people to ask permission!

The reason I pointed you to the SSP, was they bring more insight than the actual manual on many levels such as design and operation.
This way it gives you the ability to understand function verse some stupid trouble tree.
You haven't pointed me to the SSP, this is the first time it's been mentioned, and absolutely no explanation as to what it is, or any links.

I apologize for trying to help you and you feeling insulted because you have too much experience.
I don't know everything and I have 35 years in this sandbox.......again sorry!
I'll go stand in the corner now because now I kind of feel insulted with the no good deed goes unpunished scenario.
No need to apoligise for trying to help, just don't assume everyone knows what your on about, we don't know what you know and if you don't explain clearly with detail how are we supposed to know.

Page 41 PDF SSP 390
I can barely read the text on that picture, as per the other screen shots you've posted.
 
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Quite simple really, you've not once mentioned SSP 390, and secondly I don't have a clue as to what the SSP 390 is! If I hover the mouse over it it says Self Study Program, am I supposed to magically know what this is or where to find it??? However googling does show some results which will take yet more time to research. I didn't dismiss the oil circuits I told you the mechatronic unit had been replaced and as I understand it is a self contained unit, which my gearbox specialist has confirmed.
OK I'm out of the corner.......
Post #6 is a screen shot from the SSP and secondly the KS or oil paths can be observed in the repair manual too....... if you happened to observe it!
In eight posts you have done an awful lot of whining and just because you wrote this, isn't going to change my method.

I feel my posts if you take the time to read them, are sometimes cryptic because I try to help the masses with things like the "JPPSG" or "Short VAG".
They were taught to me ....they are in fact OEM and they work if the other party engages the process.

This helps me not have to explain everything each time someone does a search and it also frustrates what I deem to be the lazy trying to troll the forum with pirate cables or magic answers.

I have my reasons ........and others ......you can always set me to IGNORE!

Secondly, active forum members who give here, "not elsewhere" are in my brief observation and I'm not going to go searching outside the # of posts verse likes, unless actually interested in you personally & to see if what you write is worth reading that got my attention. Meh!

What has that got to do with anything? Our main job is to keep the commercial vehicles running -
rigs I think you call them in America, that's what earns the money, this is a company car and very low priority.
Maybe get your checkbook out and not query the soup kitchen with a stupid approached process?
RT does indeed offer paid help..........I will continue to stir the pot with the ladle.
Please don't contact me for this type of support either, your money is no good to me ......I'm here for FREE!
FREE comes with my antics....... No Sir, Yes Sir, Thank you Sir! Please RTFB Sir, Please See Short VAG or dumb video Sir....etc.etc..

Gee, you expect people to ask permission!
It's like with respect is earned, it is not free!...... again ....it is "earned" not purchasable .....manners that's a different story Sir...
I made a new buddy..........?
Want to be my friend huh ? Well let me tell yah up front I hate everyone equally!

You haven't pointed me to the SSP, this is the first time it's been mentioned, and absolutely no explanation as to what it is, or any links.
You are an active alleged forum member with over 20 years in the matrix .........JPPSG is in the headline Sticky of this forum!
Additionally I shouldn't have to say anything.......it is "routine industry standard", to review design of system's before commencing with such a repair ....or has it changed?

No need to apoligise for trying to help, just don't assume everyone knows what your on about, we don't know what you know and if you don't explain clearly with detail how are we supposed to know.
I have not assumed other than you read the forum sticky .........I gave you specific instructions and you failed to perform them.

Uwe in the JPPSG Sticky please add " & SSP " to RTFB in Ronski's honor :cool:..........Diagnosing, Brain storming, & the Final Solution! section 2 but Ronski should see section 1

I can barely read the text on that picture, as per the other screen shots you've posted.
Yup that way you go to the RTFB or SSP to do your HW and it isn't just a magic answer for unessential personnel checking cache.
 
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Well Jack that last post amused me :) in a good way.

Yes I understand you trying to educate people, but it's very easy with the internet to end up following through multiple links to understand something, and then before you know it the old brain is fried with information overload and numerous interruptions. I'd love to be able to read and fully understand the manuals for everything that passes through here (multiple different brands of vehicles), and if it was a regular problem then we would try harder, but in reality I'll probably never have to try and fix one of these again, certainly not in the near future before the old brains forgotten it all :(

Anyway we've made progress, the old Mechatrocnic was dropped back today, so first chance I've had to have a good look at it, it is a self contained unit (photo's at end of the post). After looking at it I decided to look at the clutch actuators which once you move some items out the way are visible. I found a major problem, the push rod for the smaller clutch fork had come out, no idea why, perhaps it wasn't seated correctly in the first place.



As the gearbox specialist was here with the proper release tool he got it back into place and and the car now drives, selecting all gears, but will not complete basic training, it goes through the motions, reaches 4.0.0 we start the car, after a short while it fails with a 255, 87 code, the only code description I have so far found is Gangeinleg_Synchronpos. G6 Timeout which doesn't seem to translate. At the risk of sounding lazy could I ask if anyone knows what this means please?

The only fault code present in the vehicle is 005983, which is basic training not performed.

I've also discovered what that Bentley & SSP refers, nothing to do with Bentley Cars :p

As I've said all along the Mechatronic is a sealed unit, and we certainly shouldn't be pulling apart a new unit - this will void the warranty, here's a couple of pictures of the old unit.





PS. I've read the complete JPPSG Sticky, and yes I can confirmed we checked charging, battery etc ;-)
 
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In addition to the above, could you post a link to the SSP 390, I've searched the Bentley website for both 390 and 0AM, also looked under Golf for it, but could only find the 6 speed box, not the 7 speed.
 
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