egr delete pros and cons

[ivagp]

hi there would like to hear effects of egr other than legal things on diesel engines only. if someone wants to start one on gas do on a different tread.

 

[vreihen]

Incoming NostraJackAss effrontery reply in 3...2...1.....

 

[ivagp]

Incoming NostraJackAss effrontery reply in 3...2...1.....

good call on the pop corn

i am all for egr, i think you do more harm with a delete. the obvious pros are #1 is engine coming up to temp especially with an alh. #2 combustion chamber temps are lower. chime in, the reason for this thread is maybe we can change someone's belief for an egr delete.

 

[Rembrant]

good call on the pop corn

i am all for egr, i think you do more harm with a delete. the obvious pros are #1 is engine coming up to temp especially with an alh. #2 combustion chamber temps are lower. chime in, the reason for this thread is maybe we can change someone's belief for an egr delete.

The majority of people that remove or disable the EGR on the ALH do so because they don't like cleaning the intake manifold. I personally don't see what the big deal is with it...but some people see it as a rather monumental task. Now that we're almost 15 years past the ALH end of production date, and ALH cars are stacked up like Lego blocks in the junkyards, there's more of them off the road than on imho.

My EGR system is intact and working as designed.

I have an issue with the terminology: An "EGR Delete" to me means to actually remove the EGR valve and replace with a race pipe. On an ALH this also "deletes" the ASV. That would be a Con imho. However, when most people refer to a "delete", they actually mean "disable", as I understand it at least.

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

GAS and Diesel cars EGR

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?7976-NOT-all-FUELS-are-created-equal!

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...smelly-Garbage-can-dumped-on-Motorsports!-WTF

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?2224-Oil

A NostraJackAss evaluation & from an assholes point of view of Bukaki of ass to mouth principle.

The "Pro" to the EGR is, it actually does what is stated, when new and the system is "clean".

The simple rules apply ..........clean the EGR pipe and EGR every 10K chemically and you won't get a plugged intake.
Deleting the EGR or any emission component is illegal and just stupid talk that brings liability, while further losing a business model that currently pays you to do a service, sell parts and punish the asshole customer who refuses to do his maintenance.

The "Con" is that a design flaw due to cost and stupidity, allows for particulate matter to be returned into the intake rather than just the gases.

I see this key flaw and the fact that crankcase blow-by gas breathers or labyrinth remediation of oil vapor, are the key factor to CAT failure and coking on valves or intake pile up.

These aforementioned design flaws in my professional opinion, should be a direct consideration as fraud on its components useful stated life on any manufacturer CARB/EPA COC that allows this.
The OEM failed to state this maintenance requirement on any COC and didn't make recommendations for it.

If the OEM's just took the time to take EGR gasses and direct it to a reclaim area, to be collected as scheduled required maintenance & discarded, such as incorporating into the air box as a catch can, & before being filtered and doubling the size of the air filter or secondary air filter area as a viable solution two for one.

Additionally I see no reason why intake valves don't have scrappers as a secondary seal component or roller bearing stem and drain on the lower side of the intake valve back to sump on stratified systems.

Look at it this way.......... you can fart and share it with everyone without dying and having some fun playing pull the finger or you can shove a garden hose up your ass and stick the other end in your mouth and suck, further seeing how the health benefits rack up on nutrition.

Let me know how it works out for you...........There happy now Art?


NostraJackAss Has Spoken!

 

[Uwe]

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

I know, I know Uwe ..........0x01-11-12233 > 0x01-10-03-33768 is a breathe of fresh air and brings a bit more HP, however, is an unfiltered fart and the ultimate insult with shards in the intake.
It's a sad truth .......and fair compare & contrast.

You could always say it's like a illegal migrant worker, that further takes a dump in the farm field and helps bring listeria to an elderly person because some asshole didn't want to pay fair rate and have a facility.

It's always about money ..........people delete it to save it and manufactures cut corners and affirm to bullshit too do the same.

The result is no one is really better off now are they?

This is pretty stupid!

 

[vreihen]

A NostraJackAss evaluation & from an assholes point of view of Bukaki of ass to mouth principle.
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Let me know how it works out for you...........There happy now Art?

Yup! All is right in the universe tonight.....

 

[ivagp]

Wow Jack that's pretty bad on that do you have the picture of the intake. And what's the story behind that one how many miles

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

Wow Jack that's pretty bad on that do you have the picture of the intake. And what's the story behind that one how many miles

Many somewhere.........

I should also mention that many intake's clog twice as fast due to idiots that don't set pumps right; when doing a cam belt and they further fail to understand basics setting, verse measuring blocks.

This includes dealers too ........it's very rare I get a TDI that is timed right, unless it's in my care already.

People look at me with two heads when I refer to commencement and ask the question about its full sweep from 0-255!

Fact ALH runs better on non synthetic oil and gets far better compression and seal for the blow-by gases saving VNT and turbo charger function without a sticky WG.

Additionally we have assholes that don't know how to set a sump level and overfill or the understanding that ASH is not SOOT and combined the EGR clogs 3 times as fast!

Just ask any Frenchmen about the VNT they had to change on their ALH and they love their synthetics oils.......they are coming around though with facts and reason through practical observation.

 

[Rembrant]

People look at me with two heads when I refer to commencement and ask the question about its full sweep from 0-255!

LOL. People look at you like you have two heads because you use the word "commencement" instead of several other simpler and shorter terms that are far more common.

If you said injection, or start of injection, or the "cold start injector" or whatever VW labeled it as incorrectly, then everybody else in the world would know what you're talking about...lol. (And you'd look like you only have one head)

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

LOL. People look at you like you have two heads because you use the word "commencement" instead of several other simpler and shorter terms that are far more common.

If you said injection, or start of injection, or the "cold start injector" or whatever VW labeled it as incorrectly, then everybody else in the world would know what you're talking about...lol. (And you'd look like you only have one head)

Well I usually do but what does it say when you query it in VCDS or the VAS tester it says "commencement".
There is no such thing as a cold start valve or cold start injector in the ALH and is a bullshit term.

It's not start of injection either because as soon as the pump is turning it is starting injection provided fuel is permitted to flow via switch.

"Commencement" is a process of controlling injection timing advance or retard of timing via compensation..........

 

[Rembrant]

Well I usually do but what does it say when you query it in VCDS or the VAS tester it says "commencement".
There is no such thing as a cold start valve or cold start injector in the ALH and is a bullshit term.

It's not start of injection either because as soon as the pump is turning it is starting injection provided fuel is permitted to flow via switch.

"Commencement" is a process of controlling injection timing advance or retard of timing via compensation..........

LOL, I was just picking on you because even though I DO know what commencement is, I still look at you like you have two heads anyway.

It's just that you're the only one I've seen using that term, that's all.

I haven't looked in a long time, but I thought it was called "Cold Start Injector" in VCDS? (And yes I am aware that the term is incorrect).

To me, commencement is the same way as saying "start", and I assumed you were saying commencement as an abbreviation of commencement of injection.

com·mence·ment
kəˈmensmənt/Submit
noun
1.
a beginning or start.
"at the commencement of training"
synonyms: beginning, start, opening, outset, onset, launch, initiation, inception, origin; informalkickoff
"the commencement of the festivities"

 

[ivagp]

i appreciate all the feedback, my intent was not only alh and not only intake build up. their are people who believe that the egr is reducing the amount of power and miles per gallon they are getting. we know when the intake builds up it will affect hp.

 

[Jack@European_Parts]

i appreciate all the feedback, my intent was not only alh and not only intake build up. their are people who believe that the egr is reducing the amount of power and miles per gallon they are getting. we know when the intake builds up it will affect hp.

Fact: To a degree the EGR does lower output and MPG but the NOX will rise.
That dam garden hose again.