19: CAN Gateway Missing Label -2016 Jetta 1.4T CZTA Manual "S" with Tech.

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Greetings All. I am new here so hopefully I am posting in the correct place.

I just purchased the HEX-V2 and installed VCDS 17.1.3 (with data version: 20170320 DS267.7) and I updated the firmware on the V2. I am missing the label for 19: CAN Gateway. As per Peter Schumacher's email support, I performed the mapping procedures found at http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Control_Module_Maps and emailed them to support, along with logs and most recent autoscan. I am now waiting for Ross-Tech to respond, but thought it would be useful in case others have the same missing module. Also, wonder if any "regular" members have any insights...


Below is my original autoscan (The data version is one generation older than the most current but the result is the same...:

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Monday,20,March,2017,17:25:58:35846
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170220 DS267.3
[url]www.Ross-Tech.com[/url]


VIN: 3VW167AJ6GM279042   License Plate: 16 JETTA 1.4T MAN S WITH TECH
Mileage: 21230km-13191mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: AJ (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 44 5F 0B

VIN: 3VW167AJ6GM279042   Mileage: 21230km-13191miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CZTA)       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 023 AP    HW: 04E 907 309 AP
   Component: R4 1.4l TFS   H22 2953  
   Revision: X5H22---    
   Coding: 01110012232400000000
   Shop #: WSC 01795 002 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906023AP 003003
   ROD: EV_ECM14TFS01104E906023AP.rod
   VCID: 6E86C7A9301FC517CF5-803A

   CAN Converter 01: 

1 Fault Found:
4012 - Cold Start Idle Air Control System 
          P050A 00 [032] - Malfunction
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CC    HW: 1K0 907 379 CC
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0175  
   Revision: 00H46001    
   Coding: A14B400C49290003850B02E8921B004021100012
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 75B4E8C555C9F6CF0EF-8020

1 Fault Found:
03409 - Rolling Mode recognized 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 34
                    Mileage: 20871 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.03.15
                    Time: 06:23:07

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 4096
                    Count: 396
                    Count: 43776
                    Count: 2816
                    Count: 253
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 5C0-820-047.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 820 047 CK    HW: 5C0 820 047 CK
   Component: J301  Klimaanlage   0210  
   Revision: 2001402S    Serial number: 00000002963559
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   VCID: 6B80CEBD0F8D303FE8B-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 189     HW: 7E0 937 189 
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI3 H80 0733  
   Revision: BA080001    Serial number: 18003310150014
   Coding: 7B994B1808AB0B0000392080240884D50FC6702E60004070B00010032844
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 71BCDCD521A1DAEFD27-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14202585150924170057
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14102584151001110126
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
   Serial number: 2391515083501034AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102587150930201414
   Coding: 800000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102586150929130112
   Coding: 800000

1 Fault Found:
00077 - Windshield Wiper Stop Switch (F229) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 31
                    Mileage: 20791 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.03.14
                    Time: 22:07:36


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 561-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 655     HW: 561 959 655 
   Component: AirbagVW11    001 0207  
   Serial number: 003RXM01ZW5T
   Coding: 8CCCF000000000005000001AC20800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411 001002
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411.rod
   VCID: 6390A69DEBDD787F50B-8036

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0021 
   Serial number: IBH000000000003L2BEB
   Coding: 303141

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 109 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3570000000023865761A

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 109 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3580000000071A50761A

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 022 309 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 0148 
   Serial number: 3510001BB1C1FED5117G

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 022 209 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 0148 
   Serial number: 3520001B31BD63D2B65A

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 309 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  000 0189 
   Serial number: 3550001B51BE6062D6DG

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 309 15
   Component: FrontSensor_P  000 0189 
   Serial number: 3560001B51BE6061B6AB

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 955 A    HW: 5C6 920 955 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 1007  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 270A010000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00319
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05730
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 2D0400A5FD99FE0FB6F-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 189 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733  
   Revision: BA080001    
   Coding: 102201
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 688AB1B1127B1B27859-803C

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.07.30
                    Time: 00:00:00

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 1007  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A8ECBB90CF7293793D-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 304    3501  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 392C24F5355152AF2A7-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 035 200     HW: 5C0 035 200 
   Component: MU-S-S-US     H22 0245  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2R0514126
   Coding: 02630100AA00000011220001001808001F0100D40020010002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00185
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW26.rod
   VCID: 52FE7359846781F7CBD-8006

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:38, VBatt start/end: 14.4V/14.4V)-----------
 
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Lovely. Virtual Gateway that's actually in the BCM...

Looks like there's a German version of that file, not yet translated.

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Greetings Uwe. Quite surprised by your quick reply. I am new to VW, Ross-Tech, and VCDS, but I am in IT and a pretty quick study. From your many responses around the forum I get the sense that you are quite the personality and the creator of VCDS. You are the wizard behind the curtain? So far I am quite impressed with the V2 interface, VCDS, and the large active community you have built around your products.

I must say I am a bit unsure of what to make of your reply. Perhaps if we spent an hour over a pint I would have a better read!

Please correct me if I am wrong...but...I am presuming it is
A) Negative that the module is virtual?
B) Positive that there appears to be a German version of the file?
C) Neutral in that there is no way to know if/when it will be translated to NAR?
Would my presumptions be correct?
 
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It's absolutely not negative that this is a virtual module, standard Polo-platform electronics for the simple reason that it saves the manufacturer money. As far as the label file is concerned, the English version was done but hadn't been included in the last data version due to a mistake on my end. This will be fixed in the next update/data version.
 
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Roady900: Hi - Yes indeed, he is the wizard behind the curtain - the puppet master who controls the marionette strings - the Benevolent Dictator supremo (albeit I secretly suspect that there is a disconnect between his bark and his bite). But enough of hagiography - I'm by no means an expert on your particular vehicle (hell, I'm not an expert on any particular vehicle), but if you look at your auto-scan and in particular, you note the part numbers for the Body Control Module (the module @ address hex09) and the Gateway - you see the following:

Code:
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 189   [COLOR="#0000FF"]  [B]HW: 7E0 937 189[/B] [/COLOR]
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI3 H80 0733  

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901  [COLOR="#0000FF"] [B]  HW: 7E0 937 189 [/B][/COLOR]
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733
So- both these module have the same hardware number - this tells him that the CAN Gateway is embedded into the BCM and hence Uwe's declaration "Virtual Gateway that's actually in the BCM..." I'm fairly certain that the Jetta thieved this arrangement from the 2010 Polo and the T5 (2010 as well?)

The rest is as Sebastian says - Sebastian lodged his post as I was mid way through mine - apology Sebastian:D

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You are the wizard behind the curtain?
Well, I'm the guy who started this thing 17 years ago. But I've turned over most of the wands and cauldrons to some of the fine folks that were attracted by the early spells I cast myself. :)

A) Negative that the module is virtual?
I think it's negative because that makes it more difficult to upgrade it to a better/newer one at some point down the road.

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It's absolutely not negative that this is a virtual module, standard Polo-platform electronics for the simple reason that it saves the manufacturer money. As far as the label file is concerned, the English version was done but hadn't been included in the last data version due to a mistake on my end. This will be fixed in the next update/data version.
Great news! I have seen in other threads that sometimes you provide a label file for a user to manually dump in the labels folder. Might that be an option for me? I noticed the last data version was released on 20170320 and the previous version was 20170220 (Exactly one month). Is that standard practice or just coincidence?
 
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Great news! I have seen in other threads that sometimes you provide a label file for a user to manually dump in the labels folder. Might that be an option for me? I noticed the last data version was released on 20170320 and the previous version was 20170220 (Exactly one month). Is that standard practice or just coincidence?
Just coincidence.

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Roady900: Hi - Yes indeed, he is the wizard behind the curtain - the puppet master who controls the marionette strings - the Benevolent Dictator supremo (albeit I secretly suspect that there is a disconnect between his bark and his bite). But enough of hagiography - I'm by no means an expert on your particular vehicle (hell, I'm not an expert on any particular vehicle), but if you look at your auto-scan and in particular, you note the part numbers for the Body Control Module (the module @ address hex09) and the Gateway - you see the following:

Code:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 189   [COLOR="#0000FF"]  [B]HW: 7E0 937 189[/B] [/COLOR]
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI3 H80 0733  

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901  [COLOR="#0000FF"] [B]  HW: 7E0 937 189 [/B][/COLOR]
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733
So- both these module have the same hardware number - this tells him that the CAN Gateway is embedded into the BCM and hence Uwe's declaration "Virtual Gateway that's actually in the BCM..." I'm fairly certain that the Jetta thieved this arrangement from the 2010 Polo and the T5 (2010 as well?)

The rest is as Sebastian says - Sebastian lodged his post as I was mid way through mine - apology Sebastian:D

Don
Hi Don.
Thank you for the information. Now I know to look out for this (future VW's etc). I guess this means that if a dealer were to update the bcm it could effect adaptations/coding of subsystems tied to it? Changed my Avatar. Hope it is to Uwe's liking.
 
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I think it's negative because that makes it more difficult to upgrade it to a better/newer one at some point down the road.

-Uwe-
That's a great point. Although, my initial intent is not to get too crazy. If able, I want to add a traction control button kit. I am trying to get USP Motorsports to send a kit at a reduced price. They have it marked as not compatible with the 1.4T, but only because it has not been tested. I know coding will need to be done in the ABS module and have seen many threads/posts. If I have questions for other forum members about it is it better to post in the Tweaks section or the Retrofit section?
 
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Hi Don.
Changed my Avatar. Hope it is to Uwe's liking.
Ahrrr......... yes - the aptly named President (Merkin Muffley) and his faithful Chairman of the Joint Chiefs-of-staff!

Just remember to give the same advice as in the movie to the Benevolent Dictator if he ever considers a nuclear attack on Russia (incidentally, I expect to see such a proposal discussed in-depth on Advise on Weaponry thread long before implementation):

In response to the President's suggestion that a second nuclear strike on the Soviet Union isn't war, General Buck Turgidson deftly replies citing projected American casualties, "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks."


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