Would Ross Tech software be able to recode the ECM, cluster, ABS and various other modules in order to permit a B8 A4 Avant to be swapped from an automatic to a manual transmission? They were never offered here as a manual in the wagon. I don't own the software but would buy it the project is possible. I haven't yet compared all the part numbers for the various modules from the auto wagon to a manual sedan, but I would bet on them being mostly the same. Any input would be welcome. Thank you!
B8 A4 - recoding modules for manual swap
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Impossible to say without seeing a full scan to see what control modules are currently installed, how they are configured, and what we have documented for them.
-Uwe-
I found a full scan documented on this forum from a 2012 car.
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?2648-2012-A4-Avant-2-0T-CAEB&highlight=avant
Here are what I think are the relevant modules.
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?2648-2012-A4-Avant-2-0T-CAEB&highlight=avant
Here are what I think are the relevant modules.
Code:
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Address 01: Engine (0-----CAEB) Labels: 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AG HW: 8K2 907 115 D
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H20 0002
Revision: E1H20---
Coding: 010C010A290F0160
Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AG 001002
ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AG.rod
VCID: 74EDA2E6DF560A817A7-8021
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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels: 0BK-927-156.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 S HW: 0BK 927 156 R
Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H17 1003
Revision: --H17---
Coding: 000002
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002018
ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_AU48.rod
VCID: 4689282EF94AC811143-8013
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BJ HW: 8K0 907 379 BJ
Component: ESP8 quattro H04 0060
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 1D0D18
Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
VCID: 0201F43E9DE2343178B-8057
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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CH HW: 8K0 907 064 CH
Component: BCM2 2.0 H05 0435
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 0D0200
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 78F596D6CB3E6EE156F-802D
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D HW: 8K0 905 852 D
Component: J764 ELV MLB H37 0042
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 981 C HW: 8K0 920 981 C
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H31 0258
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: EJB66C2CC
Coding: 8B1611000300D705020000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 336F61FA92D84DB9A3D-8066
No fault code found.
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Other modules that may be affected (not sure)
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P HW: 8K0 907 063 P
Component: BCM1 1.0 H30 0392
Revision: 10030001 Serial number: 00000001124928
Coding: 26001091063CAF010000080300003D0D0F1C460802010161000000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3C7D4AC6BF8682C1727-8069
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A HW: 8T1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: WWS 071111 H07 0070
Coding: 00FD11
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559 HW: 8K0 955 559 Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: RLS H04 0003
Coding: 025028
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
Component: E1 - LDS H03 0031
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C HW: 8K0 907 410 C
Component: HOMELINK H01 0010
No fault code found.
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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels: 8K0-919-475.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 T HW: 8P0 919 475 M
Component: PARKHILFE 4K H01 0081
Revision: 11001001 Serial number: 36861131300044
Coding: 200103
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 4A911C1EE5522C71F0B-801F
1 Fault Found:
01543 - Parking Aid Warning Chime (H15)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 15
Mileage: 130420 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.07
Time: 10:56:40
Freeze Frame:
Temperature: 14.0°C
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 K HW: 8K0 959 655 K
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H44 0610
Serial number: 003GLD0P99GQ
Coding: 303837354230303030304A55304C384B3053
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
VCID: 458B2F22C44CC3091D9-8010
Seat occupied recognition:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C HW: 8K0 959 339 C
Component: BF-Gewichtss. H02 0040
Serial number: 5810000R1100005D53
Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side:
Serial number: 6334MSME6553550EG
Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side:
Serial number: 6344MSME66130A56B
Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side:
Serial number: 6352QSME33644446B
Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side:
Serial number: 6362QSME0E64477CW
Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side:
Serial number: 63732SME08632840U
Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side:
Serial number: 63832SME2F621E704
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 K HW: 8R0 953 568 K
Component: Lenks.Modul H07 0156
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 20111109000769
Coding: 000017
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 49932312E0542769F91-801C
Component: E221 - MFL H02 0010
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AH HW: 8T0 907 468 K
Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H09 0120
Revision: EC101057 Serial number: 5700E11A250021
Coding: 00C303
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 0717E52AB6C011192F5-8052
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181 HW: 8T0 915 181
Component: J367-BDMHella H03 8040
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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136) Labels: 8T0-959-760.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D HW: 8K0 959 760 D
Component: MEM-FS H06 0076
Revision: AA000000 Serial number: 00000017590578
Coding: 00581B00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3B7F49DABA8885F97BD-806E
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 M HW: 8K0 959 793 M
Component: TSG FA H12 0357
Revision: Serial number: 0000121712317
Coding: 011C13204E00410001
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 4A911C1EE5522C71F0B-801F
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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CH HW: 8K0 907 064 CH
Component: BCM2 2.0 H05 0435
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0162064727
Coding: 0126023A20BA741580B0023200000000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 78F596D6CB3E6EE156F-802D
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B HW: 8K0 959 719
Component: GTO BF H01 0070
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B HW: 8K0 959 591
Component: J245 PS150 H08 0043
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B HW: 8K0 959 591
Component: J394 PS240 H08 0043
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 M HW: 8K0 959 792 M
Component: TSG BF H12 0357
Revision: Serial number: 0000017547428
Coding: 011C13204E00410001
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 49932312E0542769F91-801C
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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540) Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H HW: 8K0 907 801 H
Component: EPB Audi B8 H09 0100
Revision: 00000003 Serial number: 00000001051334
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 346D62E697D64A81BA7-8061
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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431) Labels: None
Part No SW: 4H0 907 357 B HW: 4H0 907 357 B
Component: ....LWR12.... H02 0010
Serial number: 111104-0002-215
Coding: 1172A41010020400
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
VCID: 2D5B77827CFC1B49F59-8078
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Address 56: Radio (R) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G HW: 4G0 035 082
Component: Radio U SIRIU H53 0133
Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 156K50B7571684
Coding: 020007020100000001
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 244D92A62736DA012A7-8071
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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 8T1 035 664 F HW: 8T1 035 664 B
Component: H-BN-NA H52 0189
Revision: -------- Serial number: 490KI0B7648998
Coding: 010200010006A1EF41000B0E000000030000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3B7F49DABA8885F97BD-806E
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AD
Component: NAR 2011 0505
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 HW: 8R0 919 604
Component: DU7 High H41 0104
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 609 G HW: 8T0 919 609 G
Component: E0380 Bedient H08 0100
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 A
Component: CD-Database 2712
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F HW: 8K0 959 795 F
Component: TSG HL H11 0357
Revision: Serial number: 0000017764714
Coding: 010C13204000210001
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 458B2F22CC4CC3091D9-8010
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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C HW: 4L0 907 441 B
Component: J772__Rearview 0040
Revision: --H05--- Serial number: 525PA8-J14921H
Coding: 1000007
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 387556D64BBEAEE196F-806D
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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8K9 827 851 A HW: 8K9 827 851 A
Component: J605 Master H52 0330
Revision: -------- Serial number: 8K9827851A
VCID: 3C7D4AC6BF8682C1727-8069
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K9 827 852 A HW: 8K9 827 852 A
Component: J756 Slave H52 0330
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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F HW: 8K0 959 795 F
Component: TSG HR H11 0357
Revision: Serial number: 0000017761327
Coding: 010C13204000210001
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 458B2F22CC4CC3091D9-8010
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Even if it has exactly the same options you can't assume that car has the same modules (especially hardware and software versions) as your car, so a full scan from your car is still needed.
Understood - Only problem is, I don't own a car. I won't buy one unless I am reasonably certain that I can complete this swap. In their infinite wisdom, Audi never sold a B8 Avant here with a manual gearbox, and I have no real desire to own a sedan or an automatic gearbox.
I guess I was hoping for some estimate of the likelihood of this being possible. If the 2012 listed appears to be similar to a manual-equipped sedan, it would bode well and push me to look into it further. This it looks like a non-starter from the get-go, I'll give up and buy another Subaru, I guess.
I guess I was hoping for some estimate of the likelihood of this being possible. If the 2012 listed appears to be similar to a manual-equipped sedan, it would bode well and push me to look into it further. This it looks like a non-starter from the get-go, I'll give up and buy another Subaru, I guess.
I feel your pain. Our VW/Audi choices suck on this side of the pond.
I doubt the 01-Engine would allow a coding modification for MT. Most, if not all, of the other modules in the vehicle should allow the needed tweaks.
If you move forward and need to replace the Engine controller that's going to be online matching at the Audi dealer for the Immo system. Another direction would be seeking modifications from a tuner so the original module can be re-used but that may open up an entirely different can of worms if you get it tuned and tweaked to a manual (because they may just flash RoW software into it resulting in Emissions testing drama if they OBD2 test cars in your area).
I doubt the 01-Engine would allow a coding modification for MT. Most, if not all, of the other modules in the vehicle should allow the needed tweaks.
If you move forward and need to replace the Engine controller that's going to be online matching at the Audi dealer for the Immo system. Another direction would be seeking modifications from a tuner so the original module can be re-used but that may open up an entirely different can of worms if you get it tuned and tweaked to a manual (because they may just flash RoW software into it resulting in Emissions testing drama if they OBD2 test cars in your area).
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Previously undocumented conversions are always a bit hit and miss.
The only person who can gaurantee it will work, is someone who has done it.
Best case scenario, is that everything can be coded to suit - Worst case, is that you need to buy new/used ECU, ABS, Looms (or do a lot of wiring) etc. You have to be at least partially prepared to go that far.
I've installed a 3.2 R32 engine into a Touran (non-US model, Golf 5 based 7 seater), and while it's not finished yet (though I've had it drivable), I have already purchased a brand new engine ECU ( and then found a used one also!) got the ABS from an R32 golf, and a number of ancilliary parts.
It's one of those things that once started, you pretty much have to pony up with the $ to keep going, convert back to standard, or sell the whole lot at a massive loss.
There are quite possibly some challenges you'll have to overcome, but if the modules were all available ROW, then you can theoretically do it. It just may not be US compliant???
The actual manual conversion is likely to be simple, install the bits, minor coding and wiring to allow starting of the engine... then what ever is required for ABS/ESP etc and the engine ECU to be happy.
VCDS probably won't be able to do everything, but it goes a long way to finding problems, identifying modules and fiddling with things :-) I brought it purely for my conversion, and it's been invaluable so far, even though there have been other things I've required (although my conversion is more complicated - engine, transmission swap, and AWD install).
The only person who can gaurantee it will work, is someone who has done it.
Best case scenario, is that everything can be coded to suit - Worst case, is that you need to buy new/used ECU, ABS, Looms (or do a lot of wiring) etc. You have to be at least partially prepared to go that far.
I've installed a 3.2 R32 engine into a Touran (non-US model, Golf 5 based 7 seater), and while it's not finished yet (though I've had it drivable), I have already purchased a brand new engine ECU ( and then found a used one also!) got the ABS from an R32 golf, and a number of ancilliary parts.
It's one of those things that once started, you pretty much have to pony up with the $ to keep going, convert back to standard, or sell the whole lot at a massive loss.
There are quite possibly some challenges you'll have to overcome, but if the modules were all available ROW, then you can theoretically do it. It just may not be US compliant???
The actual manual conversion is likely to be simple, install the bits, minor coding and wiring to allow starting of the engine... then what ever is required for ABS/ESP etc and the engine ECU to be happy.
VCDS probably won't be able to do everything, but it goes a long way to finding problems, identifying modules and fiddling with things :-) I brought it purely for my conversion, and it's been invaluable so far, even though there have been other things I've required (although my conversion is more complicated - engine, transmission swap, and AWD install).