B8 A4 - recoding modules for manual swap

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Would Ross Tech software be able to recode the ECM, cluster, ABS and various other modules in order to permit a B8 A4 Avant to be swapped from an automatic to a manual transmission? They were never offered here as a manual in the wagon. I don't own the software but would buy it the project is possible. I haven't yet compared all the part numbers for the various modules from the auto wagon to a manual sedan, but I would bet on them being mostly the same. Any input would be welcome. Thank you!
 
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Would Ross Tech software be able to recode the ECM, cluster, ABS and various other modules in order to permit a B8 A4 Avant to be swapped from an automatic to a manual transmission? They were never offered here as a manual in the wagon. I don't own the software but would buy it the project is possible. I haven't yet compared all the part numbers for the various modules from the auto wagon to a manual sedan, but I would bet on them being mostly the same. Any input would be welcome. Thank you!
Impossible to say without seeing a full scan to see what control modules are currently installed, how they are configured, and what we have documented for them.

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Impossible to say without seeing a full scan to see what control modules are currently installed, how they are configured, and what we have documented for them.

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Thank you. I'll try and obtain this information.
 
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I found a full scan documented on this forum from a 2012 car.

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?2648-2012-A4-Avant-2-0T-CAEB&highlight=avant

Here are what I think are the relevant modules.

Code:
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Address 01: Engine (0-----CAEB)       Labels: 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AG    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H20 0002  
   Revision: E1H20---    
   Coding: 010C010A290F0160
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AG 001002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AG.rod
   VCID: 74EDA2E6DF560A817A7-8021

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 S    HW: 0BK 927 156 R
   Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H17 1003  
   Revision: --H17---    
   Coding: 000002
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 002018
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4689282EF94AC811143-8013


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BJ    HW: 8K0 907 379 BJ
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0060  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 1D0D18
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   VCID: 0201F43E9DE2343178B-8057


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CH    HW: 8K0 907 064 CH
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0D0200
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 78F596D6CB3E6EE156F-802D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 981 C    HW: 8K0 920 981 C
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H31 0258  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EJB66C2CC     
   Coding: 8B1611000300D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 336F61FA92D84DB9A3D-8066

No fault code found.



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Other modules that may be affected (not sure) 

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H30 0392  
   Revision: 10030001    Serial number: 00000001124928
   Coding: 26001091063CAF010000080300003D0D0F1C460802010161000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3C7D4AC6BF8682C1727-8069

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 071111  H07 0070 
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Coding: 025028

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C    HW: 8K0 907 410 C
   Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 8K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 T    HW: 8P0 919 475 M
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H01 0081  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 36861131300044
   Coding: 200103
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4A911C1EE5522C71F0B-801F

1 Fault Found:
01543 - Parking Aid Warning Chime (H15) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101001
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 15
                    Mileage: 130420 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2015.02.07
                    Time: 10:56:40

             Freeze Frame:
                    Temperature: 14.0°C


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 K    HW: 8K0 959 655 K
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H44 0610  
   Serial number: 003GLD0P99GQ  
   Coding: 303837354230303030304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
   VCID: 458B2F22C44CC3091D9-8010

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C    HW: 8K0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
   Serial number: 5810000R1100005D53

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME6553550EG

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME66130A56B

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME33644446B

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME0E64477CW

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME08632840U

   Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME2F621E704

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 K    HW: 8R0 953 568 K
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H07 0156  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 20111109000769
   Coding: 000017
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49932312E0542769F91-801C

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0010 

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AH    HW: 8T0 907 468 K
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H09 0120  
   Revision: EC101057    Serial number: 5700E11A250021
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 0717E52AB6C011192F5-8052

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8040 

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D    HW: 8K0 959 760 D
   Component: MEM-FS        H06 0076  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000017590578
   Coding: 00581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F49DABA8885F97BD-806E

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 M    HW: 8K0 959 793 M
   Component: TSG FA        H12 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000121712317 
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4A911C1EE5522C71F0B-801F

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CH    HW: 8K0 907 064 CH
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0162064727    
   Coding: 0126023A20BA741580B0023200000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 78F596D6CB3E6EE156F-802D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0070 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B    HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS150  H08 0043 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B    HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J394 PS240  H08 0043 


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 M    HW: 8K0 959 792 M
   Component: TSG BF        H12 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000017547428 
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49932312E0542769F91-801C

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000001051334
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346D62E697D64A81BA7-8061


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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 4H0 907 357 B    HW: 4H0 907 357 B
   Component: ....LWR12.... H02 0010  
   Serial number: 111104-0002-215
   Coding: 1172A41010020400
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
   VCID: 2D5B77827CFC1B49F59-8078


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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082 
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H53 0133  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156K50B7571684
   Coding: 020007020100000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 244D92A62736DA012A7-8071


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 664 F    HW: 8T1 035 664 B
   Component: H-BN-NA       H52 0189  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 490KI0B7648998
   Coding: 010200010006A1EF41000B0E000000030000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F49DABA8885F97BD-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AD
   Component: NAR 2011  0505 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604     HW: 8R0 919 604 
   Component: DU7 High  H41 0104 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 609 G    HW: 8T0 919 609 G
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H08 0100 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 A
   Component: CD-Database  2712 

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HL        H11 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000017764714 
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 458B2F22CC4CC3091D9-8010


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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: 525PA8-J14921H
   Coding: 1000007
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 387556D64BBEAEE196F-806D


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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K9 827 851 A    HW: 8K9 827 851 A
   Component: J605  Master  H52 0330  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8K9827851A    
   VCID: 3C7D4AC6BF8682C1727-8069

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K9 827 852 A    HW: 8K9 827 852 A
   Component: J756  Slave  H52 0330 


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HR        H11 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000017761327 
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 458B2F22CC4CC3091D9-8010
 
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I found a full scan documented on this forum from a 2012 car.
Even if it has exactly the same options you can't assume that car has the same modules (especially hardware and software versions) as your car, so a full scan from your car is still needed.
 
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Understood - Only problem is, I don't own a car. I won't buy one unless I am reasonably certain that I can complete this swap. In their infinite wisdom, Audi never sold a B8 Avant here with a manual gearbox, and I have no real desire to own a sedan or an automatic gearbox.

I guess I was hoping for some estimate of the likelihood of this being possible. If the 2012 listed appears to be similar to a manual-equipped sedan, it would bode well and push me to look into it further. This it looks like a non-starter from the get-go, I'll give up and buy another Subaru, I guess.
 
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I feel your pain. Our VW/Audi choices suck on this side of the pond.

I doubt the 01-Engine would allow a coding modification for MT. Most, if not all, of the other modules in the vehicle should allow the needed tweaks.

If you move forward and need to replace the Engine controller that's going to be online matching at the Audi dealer for the Immo system. Another direction would be seeking modifications from a tuner so the original module can be re-used but that may open up an entirely different can of worms if you get it tuned and tweaked to a manual (because they may just flash RoW software into it resulting in Emissions testing drama if they OBD2 test cars in your area).
 
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Previously undocumented conversions are always a bit hit and miss.

The only person who can gaurantee it will work, is someone who has done it.

Best case scenario, is that everything can be coded to suit - Worst case, is that you need to buy new/used ECU, ABS, Looms (or do a lot of wiring) etc. You have to be at least partially prepared to go that far.

I've installed a 3.2 R32 engine into a Touran (non-US model, Golf 5 based 7 seater), and while it's not finished yet (though I've had it drivable), I have already purchased a brand new engine ECU ( and then found a used one also!) got the ABS from an R32 golf, and a number of ancilliary parts.

It's one of those things that once started, you pretty much have to pony up with the $ to keep going, convert back to standard, or sell the whole lot at a massive loss.

There are quite possibly some challenges you'll have to overcome, but if the modules were all available ROW, then you can theoretically do it. It just may not be US compliant???


The actual manual conversion is likely to be simple, install the bits, minor coding and wiring to allow starting of the engine... then what ever is required for ABS/ESP etc and the engine ECU to be happy.

VCDS probably won't be able to do everything, but it goes a long way to finding problems, identifying modules and fiddling with things :-) I brought it purely for my conversion, and it's been invaluable so far, even though there have been other things I've required (although my conversion is more complicated - engine, transmission swap, and AWD install).
 
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