V10 doesn't start

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You got burned once by that garage, were you expecting any different this time? Pushing this issue for an immediate fix won't happen as it requires digging and perseverance, its not a common issue so you are your own saviour here.
Then this 23 year old (30 years experience) confessed

Feel your pain as have been following this, but the 30 years exp was the 'BEST" I'm not laughing @ you but you have to make the best of that line.:banghead:

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You got burned once by that garage, were you expecting any different this time? Pushing this issue for an immediate fix won't happen as it requires digging and perseverance, its not a common issue so you are your own saviour here.

Nope sorry this is a routine issue with TOW-RIG and Q7 taking on water ingress........

"Customer states" line is equally important to observe.

Vehicle drove through car wash twice and then died........hmmmm

This is why JPPSG!
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot
 
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I get what you're trying to say Jack, i'm on my 4th Touareg and currently own 3. None of them failed to start after a car wash but the facts are presented to us and we can only make educated guesses with the info provided.
 
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Better spoken than me Jack :thanks:
 
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Here is some of the dialog i've had outside forum but feel it's pertinent to the thread. Hello Jack I've got a V10 Touareg and was interested in how your services might help?
Helpful Tip guide and gathering of information to help you!

Jacks Professional Problem Solver Guide. "JPPSG"
Make/ Model/ Year/ Edition

Step 1 Tag of PR-Build data picture posted ???? This is located in trunk/spare tire area and in first page of service book.
Step 2 Status of car stock or modified in any way? If so list! ????
Step 3 VAS/ODIS OEM or "VCDS" COMPLETE Auto-Scan in code tags!
Step 4 Describe recent repairs or services, problem at hand, & attempts at repair.?????
Step 5 Are parts OEM or AFT? If so, "what", and what origin?????
Step 6 Identify specific issues to be addressed/concerned about, or say ALL?
Step 7 Verify if campaigns for recall, TSB, Service Action exist for any conditions related to problem.
Step 8 Now that you jumped through the first few hoops of fire, did you check the FUSES/Battery connections?

Good Information Guideline.

1 Focus discussion on symptom description!
2 Ask questions that clarify what, when, where, & frequency.
3 Summarize your understanding & get agreement from colleagues.
4 Explain what you will do to proceed, & get my acknowledgement.
5 Do you have a proper repair manual? If not get one! www.erwin.vw.com or www.erwin.audi.com
6 Do you know how to read a schematic? If not see "How to read WD section in...... RTFB! "
7 Check part numbers are accurate, & firmware versions of OEM scanner----VCDS + respective controllers are of latest firmware release.
8 Did you check CHARGING SYSTEM HEALTH, BATTERY & FUSES "YET"?


Diagnosing, Brain storming, & the Final Solution!

1 Describe problem ( List known symptoms ) Nix opinions or disguised solutions
2 Verify & Analyze ( Duplicate if possible, & list possible causes...... RTFB! the trouble tree, TSB's & for FOD is an MIL ON or pending?
Further..... FOD for hardware, & or electronically modified firmware/software/emissions defeat/delete devices is essential now...... "do not negate this"!
Look for any discrepancies in codification when compared to other modules.
Actually review Time Stamps Miles and the information made available in a DTC, ......such as a G or N destinations and use as a search criteria in WD for familiarization!
3 Locate the problem ( Prioritize and identify work times + safety limits, or the use of chemicals & tool requirements )
4 Repair the Problem ( Determine the cause & not just treat an effect! )
5 Conduct a quality Check of your work and verify you fixed it!

IF ANY OF THE ABOVE IS TOO MUCH TO COMPLY WITH, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER SEEKING A PROFESSIONAL SHOP VISIT.

Computer repair and or swaps:Cores are required in advance, even if flooded for CP transfer and config verification.
I supply a forensic examination report of the old unit, which in some cases, could help aid a tech with a repair before install of a new, or reconditioned unit.
ECU's fail usually for an underlined condition, such as short, flood, ground condition, or supply voltage issue.
If not corrected beforehand, you will ultimately damage a new unit.
Jack Shapiro E.P.E.
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1001 State Route 17K
Montgomery New York 12549 USA

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I am following up scenario's on this and what I see in the J518.....+ what was not discussed.

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Get it started yet? How bad is the damage on the ECM?
 
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Did you isolate the trucks ecus after correction of the terminal 15 fault and other shorted consumers?
I have been waiting myself to hear about this.
 
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I replaced a block if it makes you happy :D

the hell with replacing a block if u can just drop the motor with out killing yourself ill take my hat off. great job amg
 
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Here is my latest autoscan. Vehicle still not starting. Current tally $6000 sunk
Code:
Wednesday,03,May,2017,17:06:47:02409
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com

VIN: WVGPT77L57D009872   License Plate: HARRIS
Mileage: 146662mi   Repair Order: 0000001
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Chassis Type: XX (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 CQ    HW: 028 101 196 2
   Component: V10 5,0L EDCG001AGMª9805  
   Revision: --H02---    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0060575
   Shop #: WSC 03738 444 38140
   VCID: 619CAF04FD593C9F427-5160

8 Faults Found:
001540 - Internal Control Module 
               P0604 - 000 - RAM Error - MIL ON
013111 - Engine-Engine Databus 
               P3337 - 000 - Implausible Message - MIL ON
006407 - Engine Databus 
               P1907 - 000 - ECU<->ECU Communications Fault
004373 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating: B1 S1 
               P1115 - 000 - Short to Ground
005696 - Internal Control Module 
               P1640 - 000 - EEPROM Error
006407 - Engine Databus 
               P1907 - 000 - ECU<->ECU Communications Fault
005377 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17) 
               P1501 - 000 - Short to Ground
012547 - Motor for Intake Manifold Flap (V157) 
               P3103 - 000 - Malfunction - MIL ON
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl
   Part No SW: 09D 927 750 DP    HW: 09D 927 750 DP
   Component: AL 750 6A           0856  
   Revision: 00H51000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0004216
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 7F58097C6BEDEA6F543-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 907 379 G
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0203  
   Coding: 0022786
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3D2433742161387F06F-5160

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7L0 909 135 A    HW: 5WK 485 01
   Component:    Kessy            6700  
   Revision: 67006015    Serial number: VWZ3Z0F2502801
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 2F38193CFB0DDAEF843-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-044.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 044 AB
   Component: CLIMAtronic 2+2     4325  
   Coding: 0020030
   Shop #: WSC 25807 128 68113
   VCID: 74B2D65052ABB937391-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 907 049 E
   Component: CLIMAtronic FOND    0400

2 Faults Found:
02599 - Rear Left Temperature Flap Motor (V313) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
00362 - Rear Left Air Flap Motor (V239) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 N
   Component:                     3002  
   Coding: 0110815
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 47C8519C73BD62AFAC3-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 11: Engine II        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 CQ    HW: 028 101 196 2
   Component: V10 5,0L EDCG001AGSª9805  
   Revision: --H02---    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0060575
   Shop #: WSC 03738 444 38140
   VCID: 619CAF04FD593C9F427-5160

3 Faults Found:
013111 - Engine-Engine Databus 
               P3337 - 000 - Implausible Message - MIL ON
000151 - Intake Air Temperature Sensor 2 (G299) 
               P0097 - 000 - Signal too Low
006407 - Engine Databus 
               P1907 - 000 - ECU<->ECU Communications Fault

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 L
   Component: 03 Airbag 8.4E++H02 0662  
   Revision: BB62060     Serial number: 0000199>      
   Coding: 0012339
   Shop #: WSC 06485 444 10329
   VCID: 2C020E30CA1BA1F7A11-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 006 0008

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 H
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul     3401  
   Coding: 0010031
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 44D24690428B49B7491-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 981 R
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB8 3211  
   Coding: 0007231
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 48CA52A07EA36DD7A59-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7L6-819-008.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 815 071 D
   Component: Standheizung E1MAC   
   Coding: 0000100
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3330154C1725FE0FE0B-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 70BADA4026B38517DD9-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 7L6-919-879.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 879 A
   Component: JCI PathPoint       2200  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 45D45B9449B170BF5EF-5160

1 Fault Found:
00926 - Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 AT
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0114  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 0D44A3B45141C8FF56F-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 32: Differential Locks        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AC 927 771 C
   Component: SG-Quersperre       5020  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 382A22600E431D57D59-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 7Lx-907-553-34.clb
   Part No: 7L0 907 553 H
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3P1 3099  
   Coding: 0015521
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 382A22600E431D57D59-5160

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzverstellung     0702  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 77A8E15C43DDD22F1C3-5160

1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 H
   Component: YM HSG              0400  
   Coding: 0000085
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 41DC4F845D995C9F627-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0201

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

7 Faults Found:
00330 - Signal Rear Wiper Interval 
            008 - Implausible Signal
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01504 - Bulb for License-Plate Light (X) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 
   VCID: 55F48BD4BC01C03F2EF-5160
   Note: Excessive Comm Errors


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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 7L6-907-357.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L6 907 357     HW: 7L6 907 357 
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0003  
   Revision:   H09       Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000009
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 78AAE2604EC3DD57159-5160

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    X018  
   Coding: 00000034

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 330 
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    X018  
   Coding: 00000034

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V2.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 K
   Component: Front Wiper         4027  
   Coding: 0000341
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 376832
   VCID: 3C223E703A7B3177311-5160

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     071006 020  0105  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 31414  

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 7L0-907-383-1D2.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L0 907 383 G    HW: 7L0 907 383 G
   Component: ANHAENGERELEKTRONIK 8854  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 382A22600E431D57D59-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 7L6 907 441     HW: 7L6 907 441 
   Component: J772__Rearview      0051  
   Revision: 00H07000    Serial number:    PA8 J640552
   Coding: 0000101
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 72BED04828BFB7072BD-5160

6 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
03005 - Video change-over 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
02203 - Audio / Video Input 1 
            011 - Open Circuit
02203 - Audio / Video Input 1 
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: 7L6-959-107.clb
   Part No SW: 7L6 959 107     HW: 7L6 959 107 
   Component: J605  HECKKLAPPE    1110  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: --------004007
   Coding: 0022110
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 78AAE2604EC3DD57159-5160

3 Faults Found:
03074 - Rear Lid Inclination Sensor (G549) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
03277 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Stand-Time Data 
            000 -  - 
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L6 919 044 T
   Component: DACHDISPLAY         0539  
   Revision: 00900539    Serial number: 2009289.07    
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 48CA52A07EA36DD7A59-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7L0 919 283 F
   Component: 0E Einparkhilfe     1107  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 392C27643549045F2A7-5160

No fault code found.

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Did you isolate the trucks ecus after correction of the terminal 15 fault and other shorted consumers?
I have been waiting myself to hear about this.

Not sure what isolate ECUs means? I've tested everything you mentioned before and everything tests good. Currently have the drivers seat removed, back seats removed, rear compartment removed, rear HVAC exposed, rear lid harness removed, there were many broken wires found so i ordered new harness. Old harness removed which explains some of the faults codes in last scan.
 
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I give up. The second ECU is now showing the same faults as the first ECU. Both units had been recently refurbished.
 
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