Polo 6C missing info

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I've tried to modify some settings in 09: Cent. Elect. for a Polo 6C (2016 1.0 TSI BlueMotion). When i try to enter the LongCoding it said i've got to send you guys an AutoScan.

When i click Ok i can enter longcoding and see all bytes/bits but not one text label is showed so i can't figure out what i am doing ;)

I ordered your cable some months ago, and still figuring things out, when i tried the Adaption in 09: Cent. Elect. to change the cominghome function it said i need security access, maybe i'm a newb here, but how can i get access to this settings? ;)

The Autoscan:

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Sunday,27,November,2016,20:59:16:04650
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1 (x64)
Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: MyPolo.nl

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZGY******   License Plate: ******
Mileage: 2723km-1691mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 6R (6C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 44 5F

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZGY******   Mileage: 2723km-1691miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CHZB)       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04C 906 026 AH    HW: 04C 907 309 AE
   Component: R3 1.0l TFS   H25 2306  
   Revision: W1H25---    
   Coding: 01110012232411080000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026AH 001005
   ROD: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026AH.rod
   VCID: 67DDC0CB9E7FFE7A1D-8032

   CAN Converter 01: 

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 907 379 K    HW: 6R0 907 379 BA
   Component: ESP9.0i       H03 0004  
   Serial number: 08502832160330
   Coding: 21DD2885492B33C0091B10690055841492CC90080005CB098F00
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26 100020
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCHPQ26.rod
   VCID: 377D508B8E5FAEFA4D-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6C0-820-045.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 820 045 C    HW: 6C0 820 045 C
   Component: AC Manuell    H03 0202  
   Serial number:  1604161B-0433
   Coding: 200000001000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueKMMValeoPQ26 002001
   ROD: EV_ACManueKMMValeoPQ26_VW26.rod
   VCID: 1F4D982B06AFF6BAA5-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 6C0 937 087 C    HW: 6C0 937 087 
   Component: BCM PQ26 Me4R H08 0087  
   Serial number: 006088028046
   Coding: 000008404253005B4F844000400703080000590251010000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMA0 005005
   ROD: EV_BCMA0_005_VW26.rod
   VCID: 2E5375EF71056F321E-807A

   Drivers Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 DG    HW: 6R0 959 801 DG  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 0610 
   Serial number: KU0KU015041661064140
   Coding: 0400A0

   Front Passengers Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 DL    HW: 6R0 959 802 DL  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 0610 
   Serial number: KU0KU004041660958591
   Coding: 1400A0

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 AA    HW: 6R0 959 811 AA
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  003 0610 
   Serial number: KU0KU016041661077127
   Coding: 0400A0

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 AA    HW: 6R0 959 812 AA
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  003 0610 
   Serial number: KU0KU011041661025518
   Coding: 1400A0

1 Fault Found:
8458 - Bulb for Right DRL 
          B121E 15 [008] - Open or Short to Plus
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 158
                    Mileage: 2235 km
                    Date: 2016.11.21
                    Time: 14:43:48


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 6C0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 959 655 J    HW: 6C0 959 655 J
   Component: VW20Airbag00N 002 0380  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003TH005CDJC
   Coding: 88C0C000000000005C0000CA000800000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20BPAVW26X.rod
   VCID: 3A7B49BFBD4DB392B2-806E

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 822 603 16
   Component: SideSensor_Df  151 0800 
   Serial number: 3575H002429590434283
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 410 822 603 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  151 0800 
   Serial number: 3585H00062959042E29E
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 150 404 16
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  1CA 0148 
   Serial number: 3517A009B1FACC93324V
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 442 152 803 16
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  1CA 0148 
   Serial number: 3527A00BF1FE23C2F0C0
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 920 730 E    HW: 6C0 920 730 E
   Component: KOMBI         101 1420  
   Coding: 072509002100000C010808000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009046
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW26.rod
   VCID: 234594DB2AC7D25A81-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 6C0-909-901-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 6C0 909 901     HW: 6C0 937 087 
   Component: GW MQB A0     H08 0087  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 006088028046
   Coding: 030000046F0A560071000000000000010001010000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewA0Lear 013020
   ROD: EV_GatewA0Lear_VW26.rod
   VCID: 65C1CAC36473EC6A2F-8030

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181 A    HW: 6C0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223 
   Serial number: 23105L03362821933100

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels: 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6C1 909 144 AG    HW: 6C1 909 144 D
   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  312 3232  
   Serial number: PG4J1145
   Coding: 000700
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 016026
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW_SE26.rod
   VCID: 6DD1B2E3BC83D42A67-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 035 824 A    HW: 3Q0 035 824 A
   Component: MU-S--ER      H24 0245  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2S0164917
   Coding: 02620000BE00000051110001000808001F0104C40120010003
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW26.rod
   VCID: 2B557CFB42171A1A39-807E

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 919 603 B    HW: 6C0 919 603 B
   Component: ABTm_Std2  H53 1031 
   Serial number: VWZ8Z9SKW00MS3      

No fault code found.

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Johan: Hello and welcom to the forum. Your observations and your auto-scan confirm that the BCM on your car does not yet have a Ross Tech "label" file (look at the first line in your auto-scan for the BCM which says: Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: Redir Fail!). This just means that the busy Ross-Tech folk have yet to formally map the control module in your car onto their standard nomenclature which populates the entries for the long coding helper screens. Probably just work-in-progress and I'm sure that the label file will be available soon!

In the interim, if you know which Byte/Bits to change, you could use the coding screen to make the alterations - without the long coding helper screen.

As to your question about access security codes (affectionately called SA on this forum), these are unfortunately a closely kept secret by the good Burghers at VW head-office (for any VAG vehicle). I suspect that the boffins at VW argue that the great-unwashed-public are better-off not knowing these codes for their own safety, but I'm tempted to believe that the real reason for keeping these codes secret is to ensure that clients pay the dealership for stuff that should be done by others (yes- it's a good conspiracy theory, but alas it fits with my observations of VW's corporate ethic)

So, the sad fact is that information about SA codes is as rare as rocking-horse-sh#t in the public domain (especially for new models)! SA codes appear to be disclosed to us mere-minions in the general public by various nefarious means and it's invariably a long slow discovery process. My suggestion is that you don't hold your breath waiting for disclosure of SA codes for the Polo - it will almost certainly be a fatal exercise!

However, I have observed that your Polo 6 C shares many of the features of my Golf mk7 where the module network is concerned (notwithstanding that the Polo is not built on the MQB platform). The two models are not identical in this regard, but there are remarkable similarities!

So, if you want to experiment, you could try the SA codes from a mk7 - as a suggestion. HERE is a list of these codes for the mk7 (incidentally, the SA for the BCM for the mk7 is 31347). Please be aware that if you enter an incorrect SA, the control module may lock-out for a period which is measured by the time that the ignition switch is turned-on.

Don


PS: Below is a video explaining the missing label file - why it happens and what to do:

 
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Many thanks for your help so far, for now i will wait for the new label files since i'm not yet a experienced VCDS user ;) (it's now my own car ;))

Still one question left, can i figure out if the right label files are present (after the next update) before calling my friend's Polo back for modifications?
 
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Still one question left, can i figure out if the right label files are present (after the next update) before calling my friend's Polo back for modifications?
Johan:What an excellent question!!

I'm not sure that I know the answer, but if you look at the modules in your auto scan that do have these files, you will note that the associated label file has either a LBL, or CLB extension.

All of these files live in the Ross-Tech/VCDS or, Ross-Tech/VCDS-Beta directory (depending on which version you use). A quick look in this directory will confirm that the (ageist) folk at RT arrange label files in geriatric sub-directory order and the latest generation files are kept in the Labels sub-directory (not surprisingly).

If you search and find a file in this sub-directory that has a title containing 6C0 937 (this is the first part of your BCM number) then it's a fairly safe bet that you are good-to-go. However, sometimes the crafty (and ageist) RT folk use a "related" number indicating the general type of the module, rather than the specific module number - so your search in the "Labels" sub-directory might need to be more intelligent!

Or, you could abandon this approach altogether and simply ask the kind (and ageist) folk at RT when the new SW is released! I've done this a couple of times in the past (on different and various topics) and RT's reply has always been characterized by its patience and forbearance - so it's always a good thing to do IMO.

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I will take a look at the label files anyways (worth a shot i guess)
Where should i ask RT for this information? Send them an email or use this forum? (so far they don't reply to this thread, will they read this and answer me here?)

I'm still new to the forum so i don't really know how things are going around here ;)
 
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Johan: You could do either. Notwithstanding that it's been me that has responded, the wise folk at Ross Tech keep an ever watchful eye (two eyes, I suspect) on the mental meanderings of all responses on this forum (thankfully). So, when asking questions on this forum, you can be assured of their ubiquitous presence!!
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Hi All,

I was about to post a question but it seems to overlap this thread. Anyway here's the background :
My father's Polo 6C has been happily beeping away when ever locked since I coded it ... until it went into the dealer for a software update. This was to stop the hazards going off if the car was left unlocked (or something!?!).
Tonight I went to reapply it. I'm sure if was just a case of enabling in the long code helper but it doesn't seem to match now.

I've taken a full scan if it's useful to anyone. Is this a known thing? Next time I round shall I just try the Mk7 Golf tweak which seems to be :
( Translation of http://www.stemei.de/pages/coding/vw-golf-7/dwa-schaerfen-mit-horn-quittieren.php )

STG 09 (electrical wiring)
STG Access Permission -> Function 16
Enter free code 31347
STG Adjustment -> Function 10
(1) Select Enable feedback signal-acoustic feedback
Value to yes
(2) Select Confirmation signal-audible feedback
Value to yes
(8) feedback signal acoustic feedback is global
Importance to actively adjust
If desired, the DWA can in the menu control acknowledgment be independently enabled and disabled via the corresponding menu item:
(7) -Registration signal menu control acoustic feedback
Importance to actively adjust
If desired, the duration of the acoustic feedback can be shortened:
(3) -Registration signal-Duration of the acoustic feedback from the single horn
Value to short
 
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So, we've had a few new versions of VCDS now, how will i know for sure i can change settings in this Polo 6C now?
Since the client has to drive a while to get to me i want to be sure i can help him this time :)
 
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