ABS Issues 2011 Q5

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No issues before last week.
First had ABS pulsing when coming to a stop around 20 mph one time and no lights or tones until next start.
Could initially clear codes and again next start same codes and tones. ABS, Stability program, Parking brake malfunction and TPMS.
Then could not clear codes and would come right back upon attempting to clear.
Tried to remove inspect and clean left front speed sensor and it was so stuck I broke it trying gently to remove it.
Replaced with a new OEM one (2) days ago, cleared the codes and now pulses again usually one very brief set of pulses around 20 MPH most of the time on dry pavement.

Today codes came back, I cleared and they are staying cleared so far with pulsing.
Could my toothed ring be the problem and the old sensor while stuck was fine? Or is the module now suspect?
Does the pulsing I am getting alone cause the implausible signal fault I am getting in my auto scan?
Any advice to further prove out anything or adaptation needed for the new sensor would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Original Auto Scan before replacing sensor had the same faults.
Latest Auto scan below:


Code:
Friday,04,November,2016,13:00:58:05068
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
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VIN: WA1CFAFPXBA081666   License Plate: 
Mileage: 89300km-55488mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FP (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 69 72 77
         

VIN: WA1CFAFPXBA081666   Mileage: 89300km-55488miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels: 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 115 H    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H19 0003  
   Revision: E1H19---    
   Coding: 0121010A290F0960
   Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118R0907115H 001006
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AD.rod
   VCID: 39732959B84A5E8ABB-806C

2 Faults Found:
4698 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
          U1113 00 [036] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:12

                    Engine speed: 1023.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 9.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 12 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 60 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.287 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

4699 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
          U1113 00 [036] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:12

                    Engine speed: 1023.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 9.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 12 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 60 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.287 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 0BK-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 E    HW: 0BK 927 156 N
   Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H08 0010  
   Revision: --H08---    
   Coding: 001112
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 001013
   ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_001.rod
   VCID: 3F874741A66E70BA85-806A

1 Fault Found:
13856 - Wheel-Speed Signal from ABS Control Module 
          P1887 00 [036] - Implausible Signal
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:15


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8R0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 H    HW: 8R0 907 379 H
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H06 0110  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 129D10
   Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
   VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010

2 Faults Found:
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47) 
            003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100011
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:12

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0C00
                    Hex Value: 0x4002
                    Hex Value: 0x1243
                    Hex Value: 0xA8A8
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF

00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 230
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:13

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0B40
                    Hex Value: 0x4302
                    Hex Value: 0x1216
                    Hex Value: 0x02A8
                    Hex Value: 0x00FF


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CR    HW: 8K0 907 064 CR
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 090500
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 02018EB59D1CDD52AA-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H60 0072 
   Serial number: 0811000008524012    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
   Serial number: 2310000105260015    

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:17


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8T1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H08 0180  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01070220111270
   Coding: 64002000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
   VCID: 000584BD9310CF42BC-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H30 0392  
   Revision: 10030001    Serial number: 00000000937946
   Coding: 6F0020F1013CA7010000090300007F7F4F1C660802000161000000
   Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
   VCID: 3C7D304DBF786BA2A0-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 110122  H11 0050 
   Serial number: 90243014110114023324
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 11262475            
   Coding: 024D25

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000000102110032

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C    HW: 8K0 907 410 C
   Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 15
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:00


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8R0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 F    HW: 8R0 959 655 F
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H44 0610  
   Serial number: 003GPD0N102/  
   Coding: 303633313432303030304A55304C38523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
   VCID: 47975FA1FEBE387A3D-8012

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 339 A    HW: 8R0 959 339 A
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
   Serial number: 5810000R1100003Q67

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME5B160A70D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME5B326267G

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME3C065460D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME4701275EI

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME3E04036E0

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME6D0834461

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H17 0014  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372KAV00070 
   Coding: 000017
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3D7B3D49A46262AA97-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H04 0010 

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:12


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 950 K    HW: 8R0 920 950 K
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H12 0258  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EJU309Z1C     
   Coding: 8B1F22000300D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3E793A45A96479B28E-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AB    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0117  
   Revision: GB800053    Serial number: 5300G111298558
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 010381B9981AC64AB3-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181     HW: 8R0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0140 
   Serial number: 00000000005650447274

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 M    HW: 8K0 959 793 M
   Component: TSG FA        H12 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000012178471 
   Coding: 011D03204000440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 4A916695E5ACC51222-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CR    HW: 8K0 907 064 CR
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0142687706    
   Coding: 0126063A20FA440084B0053200000000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 02018EB59D1CDD52AA-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0070 
   Serial number: 00000000000000355928

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:17


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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 035 223 F    HW: 8R0 035 223 E
   Component: DSP STD       H11 0440  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000001
   Coding: 0203010102
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 2F6717017E0E803A15-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 M    HW: 8K0 959 792 M
   Component: TSG BF        H12 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0004000216836 
   Coding: 011D03204000440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 49935999E0AACE0A2B-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000857977
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346D186D9728A3E268-8060

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 89297 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.04
                    Time: 12:46:13

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 13.40 V
                    Count: 62
                    Speed: 10.0 km/h
                    Hex Value: 0x02E0
                    Hex Value: 0x0004
                    Hex Value: 0x0101


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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H06 0351  
   Revision: 00000009    Serial number: AUZ5Z6K1528606
   Coding: 0502000201058500C359070000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
   VCID: 468952A5F1B42172C6-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 F    HW: 8T0 919 603 F
   Component: Display  

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HL        H11 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000112754547 
   Coding: 010C03204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 8K0-907-383.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 383 E    HW: 8K0 907 383 E
   Component: Anhaenger     H07 0070  
   Revision: 1A001001    Serial number: 00000124854806
   Coding: 0200000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
   VCID: 366922658154B1F256-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
   Component: TSG HR        H11 0357  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000112754548 
   Coding: 010C03204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 E    HW: 8T0 862 336 E
   Component: FSE_256x BT     H42 0650  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005108703
   Coding: 0010370
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3D7B3D49646262AA97-8068

No fault code found.

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Hello,


Today codes came back, I cleared and they are staying cleared so far with pulsing.
Could my toothed ring be the problem and the old sensor while stuck was fine? Or is the module now suspect?
Does the pulsing I am getting alone cause the implausible signal fault I am getting in my auto scan?
Any advice to further prove out anything or adaptation needed for the new sensor would be appreciated.
Thanks.


- We do have a Ross-Tech wiki page that maybe of some help (just in case you have not seen it :) ) for the fault code:

00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor Front Left (G47): Mechanical Malfunction

- There is no 'toothed ring' on the 2011 Q5, the sensor is mounted in the wheel bearing housing(steering knuckle) and the sensor uses the wheel bearing instead of the 'toothed ring'.

So make sure:
- The hole for the ABS sensor is clean
- The wheel bearing is in good condition
- The tires, rims and axles are free from defects. - Tire/rims need to be the same size.

- You can also use VCDS to have a look at the G47 - Wheel Speed Sensor's output with Measuring Value Blocks groups:
MVB-001, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left - Speed
MVB-007, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Installation Positions
MVB-008, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Rotation Direction

Drive slowly and see if any of the readings are invalid or implausible.

- If no or an incorrect reading is seen, check wiring, connections concerns, etc... both at the sensor and ABS controller... (and above checks)

Suggestion: Use the Official Factory Repair Information when attempting any repair on these vehicles.

- If and only if all of the above are okay and there are no other concerns, discrepancies or issues found, the fault is most likely due to an internal concern with the J104- ABS Controller.
(The part number does superseded once, check you local dealer for the most recent part and ask how many they have sold, who knows, they may keep them in stock?)

ps... I personally would remove the wheel bearing before I replaced the ABS, just to make sure all is well in and around the sensor area... ;)


Hope this helps,

drpeter
 
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Magnetic sleeve bearings can test easily:

YYU8zR4.jpg
 
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Update:

Set same codes and lights again after a few start stop cycles. Then lights cleared themselves after another cycle.
Blew compressed air deep into sensor hole and cleaned the end of the new sensor (had a greasy black residue)

Comparing left to right front after above:

Blocks groups:
MVB-001, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left - Speed. Speeds always match
MVB-007, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Installation Positions. Left says: not OK below 10mph right always says: OK
MVB-008, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Rotation Direction. Direction always match.

Does this indicate that the encoder on the wheel bearing is suspect? The mechanical aspects of the bearing(s) are very quiet and smooth.

Thanks for the help.
 
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Did you check the magnetic sleeve bearings? It is possible that it's dirty, there is burden on themselves, etc.
 
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Or magnetic ring is broken. Like in my golf. Bearing was ok, magnetic ring had defects with same fault code.
 
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Did you check the magnetic sleeve bearings? It is possible that it's dirty, there is burden on themselves, etc.

The encoder area was dirty with a black residue. I jacked up the front of the car so I could turn the wheel and clean the encoder area with Q tips through the sensor hole. I went through about 100 double ended Q tips until they were pretty clean after wiping.
Brakes still one quick pulse around 20 MPH slowing down and the ok not ok left to right and everything else is about the same as above. No new fault codes yet but probably on their way.
 
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