RNS 510 / Coding rejected, Dynaudio system no sound

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Hi everyone,

Should've become a member a long time ago here, i'm from Montreal Canada and been using Ross-Tech interfaces for about 6-7 years now.
I maintain a lot of VW and Audis for fun and for friends.

I've hit a wall with a particular issue of a car i'm working on for myself, it's a 2009 Passat Highline 2.0T 6MT

When i got the car, its famous Dynaudio amplifier was taken out and on the back seat, i tracked down the previous owner who tells me its toast and need a new one
After playing around with it a bit, i discovered some of the power leads were corroded beyond any possible contact and i addressed that issue by making sure current now can get to where it needs to go
on the main amplifier plug.
The head unit is an RNS 510 with Navigation, part #3C0 035 684A Long Coding, since i have the car, there's no sound coming out of any speakers no matter what i try

So knowing i don't have any electrical issues, i picked up a used (good known working) amplifier for the Dynaudio system from an Eos and tried it on.
Although with VAG Com i'm able to go into the amplifier under Sound system and see 2 speakers (1 open circuit, 1 short) not working, the rest have tested good and still no sound.

I have tried the long coding editor for the RNS510 it is currently set to Dynaudio system on byte 1, however there is a 2nd option Dynaudio (BAS DSP), no idea what would be the difference between the 2.
I have tried changing the coding to any other in the list and i get Error 31 Rejected, read on other forums you can add 2x 00 at the end of the string and it should accept it, that didn't work.
Also tried putting in a non zero importer code and equipment number, still won't take it.

What am I doing wrong? I did update to the latest Vag com version just recently, believe its 16.8.

Just for fun i tried the soft reset on the head unit with the 3 key press simultaneously, sure enough i heard the speakers pop for a quick second at the first init of the radio.
How and where could i be losing my input signal from the radio when it's already set for the correct sound system?

Any help, thoughts appreciated, i'm breaking my head with this not sure what direction to take on next
 
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Here is the latest scan, i hadn't done a clear prior but anyways...

Code:
Monday,31,October,2016,14:29:47:44955
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWWK73C49E035580   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 3C (3C0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 2E 37 42 44 46 47 52 53 55 56 62
          6D 72 77

VIN: WVWWK73C49E035580   Mileage: 247360km-153702miles

01-Engine -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 1010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Malfunction 1010
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 1010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 1010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 1010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 1010
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
   Part No SW: 06J 906 026 AF    HW: 06J 906 026 AF
   Component: MED17.5 TFSI 2,0    3318  
   Revision: AAH03---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0404010A18070160
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 6ED3E17879389E325E-803A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 P    HW: 3C0 614 109 P
   Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0011  
   Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000785892635
   Coding: 0000373
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 2B55286C8AAAAB1A39-807E

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 EB    HW: 3C0 907 044 EB
   Component: ClimatronicPQ46 133 1010  
   Revision: 00133026    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 65C19E54ACCE5D6A2F-8030

4 Faults Found:
00041 - Indirect Ventilation Flap Motor (V213) 
            000 -  - 
01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus
01273 - Fresh Air Blower (V2) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00457 - Control Module for Network (J519) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008635690
   Coding: 178C8F0340041A00470000000F000000002A5D435C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
   VCID: 3365300C529AF3DA71-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 220508 003  0205  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 05124  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655     HW: 5N0 959 655 
   Component: J234__003 VW10 HI   1815  
   Revision: 19013000    Serial number: 0039BPDCXQ9C  
   Coding: 0012339
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 7AFBDD283570C292F2-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6333FTS631951608 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6343FTS667501258 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6353ETS6MOF6UVNH 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6363ETS6DJO4UVNH 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6374CTS67GBPSVNH 

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 6384CTS6QU6QSVNH 

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AE    HW: 3C0 953 549 AE
   Component: J0527               0020  
   Revision: 00026000    Serial number: 3C9953507AT   
   Coding: 0000112
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 6FEDFC7C7E32973A55-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 920 871 FX    HW: 3C0 920 871 FX
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0007305
   Shop #: WSC 00001 016 00032
   VCID: 7F0D2C3C2E52E7BAC5-802A

2 Faults Found:
00447 - Function Limitation due to Over-Voltage 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01771 - Control Module for Headlight Range (J431) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 3C0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 H    HW: 3C0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H13 0142  
   Revision:   H13       Serial number: 2600P086210ADA
   Coding: F9817F065206129002
   Shop #: WSC 94713 999 52438
   VCID: 2643D95891489672E6-8072

11 Faults Found:
00463 - Control Module for Digital Sound Package (J525) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01300 - Control Module for Navigation with CD-Rom (J401) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 S    HW: 3C0 959 433 S
   Component:    IMMO         041 0383  
   Revision: 00041000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 94706 999 58966
   VCID: 3A7B1D2875F00292B2-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 H
   Component:    ELV          028 0380
   3C0905861H     ELV          028 0380   

1 Fault Found:
02812 - Supply Voltage (Terminal 30) for Electronic Steering Column Lock 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 A    HW: 5N0 035 342 A
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0062  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7667029392    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2541DE542C4E9D6AEF-8070

2 Faults Found:
00447 - Function Limitation due to Over-Voltage 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 A    HW: 3C0 035 684 
   Component: RNS-MID       H17 0380  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7H7207062
   Coding: 240500000100000200
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 2149CA443866714A93-8074

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1517  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000356288620
   Coding: 0001205
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 6FEDFC7C7E32973A55-803A

2 Faults Found:
01811 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Drivers Side (J386) 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
00932 - Electric Window Motor; Drivers Side (V147) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 G    HW: 5N1 909 148 F
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.082 0401  
   Revision: 1AH02234    Serial number: 00081360131402
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 3663091841E8E6F256-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 S    HW: 3C0 959 433 S
   Component:    KSG PQ46 ELV 041 0472  
   Revision: 00041000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 13900E80D1032E521004141FF08A0F0E087C01
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 3A7B1D2875F00292B2-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 3C0-035-456.lbl
   Part No SW: 1Q0 035 456 B    HW: 1Q0 035 456 B
   Component: DSP 10 Kanal        0013  
   Revision: 00010000    Serial number: 00000000004928
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B55286C8AAAAB1A39-807E

3 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00419 - Left Front DSP Midrange Speaker (R103) 
            011 - Open Circuit

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
   Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1517  
   Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000050588618
   Coding: 0001204
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 70EFFF00630C88C24C-8024

1 Fault Found:
01812 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Pass. Side (J387) 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 A    HW: 3C8 907 801 A
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-10498 0003  
   Revision:   009       Serial number: 00000000075587
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 94706 999 58966
   VCID: 285FD7609B5C8002D4-807C

1 Fault Found:
03182 - Clutch Position Sensor (G476) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
   Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
   Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0133  
   Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 2323457
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
   VCID: 346733105794F4E268-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A  Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
   Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004  
   Coding: 00000035

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 A    HW: 3C0 035 684 
   Component: RNS-MID       H17 0380  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7H7207062
   Coding: 240500000100000200
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 2149CA443866714A93-8074

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AD    HW: 1K0 959 795 P
   Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   0307  
   Revision: 42004101    Serial number: 00000000465219
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 72EBF5086D00BAD2BA-8026

1 Fault Found:
01813 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Rear Left (J388) 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3C9 827 383 B    HW: 3C9 827 383 E
   Component: J605  HECKDECKEL    0600  
   Revision: 00H27001    
   Shop #: WSC 23250 384 715754
   VCID: 306F3F00A38CC8C20C-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C9 827 384 F
   Component: J756  HECKDECKEL    0720

1 Fault Found:
00447 - Function Limitation due to Over-Voltage 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AD    HW: 1K0 959 794 P
   Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   0307  
   Revision: 42004101    Serial number: 00000000476708
   Coding: 0001168
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 73E5F00C121AB3DAB1-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J738)       Labels: 1K8-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 1K8 051 730 A    HW: 1K8 051 730 A
   Component: Telefon       H01 5200  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 20389520003019
   Coding: 402120
   Shop #: WSC 94713 999 52438
   VCID: 2541DE542C4E9D6AEF-8070

1 Fault Found:
00447 - Function Limitation due to Over-Voltage 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:37)--------------------------
 
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Hello,


I have tried the long coding editor for the RNS510 it is currently set to Dynaudio system on byte 1, however there is a 2nd option Dynaudio (BAS DSP), no idea what would be the difference between the 2.
I have tried changing the coding to any other in the list and i get Error 31 Rejected, read on other forums you can add 2x 00 at the end of the string and it should accept it, that didn't work.
Also tried putting in a non zero importer code and equipment number, still won't take it.

What am I doing wrong? I did update to the latest Vag com version just recently, believe its 16.8.

- You are doing nothing wrong, the controller is refusing the coding, most likely that coding was not possible.

- The current coding of [240500000100000200] that you have does appears to be correct for this vehicle, according to my research.

- I would suggest to perform an [Output Test] on the [56-Radio] and go through the test to see if any of the speakers emit a 'test tone'.


The fault code in the radio is normal without a subscription to a satellite radio service.

02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated


The fault codes below however are a different story, the indicate there are "Open Circuit" faults with a few of the speakers.
- I would clear codes and if they come back, check wiring to the speakers with the Factory Wiring Diagrams.


Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.lbl
Part No SW: 1Q0 035 456 B HW: 1Q0 035 456 B
Component: DSP 10 Kanal 0013
Revision: 00010000 Serial number: 00000000004928
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2B55286C8AAAAB1A39-807E

3 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21)
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00419 - Left Front DSP Midrange Speaker (R103)
011 - Open Circuit

00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21): Open Circuit

00871 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17): Open Circuit


Testing - Open Circuits, Short to Ground or Positive, etc....

Hope this helps,

drpeter
 
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Thanks for checking into this, doing the output tests produces nothing since i feel theres no connection or signal coming from the radio to amplifier. Even with a few speakers not working 3/10 i should be able to hear something nevertheless.
Im pretty sure the amplifier can send signal to the speakers because when i do a button reset of the radio i hear them pop as if being jumped with a spike of voltage.
This is a puzzle that's for sure...
 
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Amplifier wasn't an issue, swapped with an RCD310 and everything is working fine.
Further investigation into my RNS510 leads to a firmware corruption on the mainboard chips and i can't get it to even write a newer/older/same version of any firmware.
I guess this is where the story ends.
 
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