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Was gettng fault code:
00516 closed throttle (idle) position switch f60 2700 implausible signal

Ive removed the throttle body on a 1.4 16v ahw, cleaned it and refitted. Used a pole to hold accelerator down, pulled the cable back just to the point were throttle body butterfly was open.


Heres a vid off the vcds process, am now getting basic setting not complete error, the engine refuses to idle and cuts out

 
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Please post an Auto-Scan.

If this is a cable-throttle engine, the cable needs to have a bit of slack in it when the throttle is closed.

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its cable throttle
Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Sunday, 16 October 2016, 16:41:05:3906


Chassis Type: 17 - VW Golf Citi
Scan: 01,09,15,17,25,56
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 036-906-014-AHW.LBL
   Controller: 036 906 014 AN
   Component:  MARELLI 4CV       2893
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 5CCB1831DF33
1 Fault Found:
01087 -  Basic Setting Not Performed
            35-00 -   -
Readiness: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: Y2 AIRBAG VW5       0003
   Coding: 22834
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 351DAD951C59
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 1J0-920-xx0-17.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 920 901 
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V12 
   Coding: 01441
   Shop #: WSC 00001
   VCID: E0B3ACC1735B
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0X1452133       
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer       Labels: None
   Controller: Bit teA dre sst
   Component: e 17 eingeben          
   VCID: CEEF627919CF
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error ocurred

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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after engines been started

Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Sunday, 16 October 2016, 16:51:59:3906


Chassis Type: 17 - VW Golf Citi
Scan: 01,09,15,17,25,56
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 036-906-014-AHW.LBL
   Controller: 036 906 014 AN
   Component:  MARELLI 4CV       2893
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 5CCB1831DF33
2 Faults Found:
00282 -  Throttle Position Actuator (V60)
            26-00 -  Output Open
01087 -  Basic Setting Not Performed
            35-00 -   -
Readiness: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: Y2 AIRBAG VW5       0003
   Coding: 22834
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 351DAD951C59
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 1J0-920-xx0-17.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 920 901 
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V12 
   Coding: 01441
   Shop #: WSC 00001
   VCID: E0B3ACC1735B
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0X1452133       
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer       Labels: None
   Controller: Bit teA dre sst
   Component: e 17 eingeben          
   VCID: CEEF627919CF
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error ocurred

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


edit: cable has slack

the for cleaning the tb is the engine was hunting and cutting out


the original fault code was 00516 closed throttle (idle) position switch f60 2700 implausible signal
 
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I would suggest that whatever is causing this needs to be fixed:

Code:
00282 -  Throttle Position Actuator (V60)
            26-00 -  Output Open
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I would suggest that whatever is causing this needs to be fixed:



-Uwe-
Completely agree. Bad wiring, bad throttle motor, bad output driver IC inside ECU in the worst case.
 
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narrowed it down to the throttle body, it shows as throttle open on vcds even with cable disconnected. bridging pins 3 and 7 on the throttle body plug changed it to idle
 
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The best way is to replace TB with new one. Or used one, if You want to save some money. Is Your TB clean inside? No soot or something like it not allowing full range movement of throttle?
 
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Already cleaned the Tb mate, hence the TBA. Going to go for a known working used one and see how it goes. Thanks for the help
 
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Code:
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Thursday, 20 October 2016, 13:20:02:3906

Chassis Type: 17 - VW Golf Citi
Scan: 01,09,15,17,25,56
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 036-906-014-AHW.LBL
   Controller: 036 906 014 AN
   Component:  MARELLI 4CV       2893
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 5CCB1831DF33
1 Fault Found:
01087 -  Basic Setting Not Performed
            35-00 -   -
Readiness: N/A
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: Y2 AIRBAG VW5       0003
   Coding: 22834
   Shop #: WSC 00028
   VCID: 351DAD951C59
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 1J0-920-xx0-17.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 920 901 
   Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V12 
   Coding: 01441
   Shop #: WSC 00001
   VCID: E0B3ACC1735B
   IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0X1452133       
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer       Labels: None
   Controller: Bit teA dre sst
   Component: e 17 eingeben          
   VCID: CEEF627919CF
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error ocurred
End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

00282 - Throttle Position Actuator(V60)
26-00 - Output Open


isnt returning now, it will if engine is started

edit: to avoid any mix up, the above means the code only returned after the engine has been started.



It goes straight to error when i first put 098 into basic settings, i then switch to measuring blocks using the tab at the bottom left and it shows the same results, i then switch back to basic settings, sometimes for a split second its shows ADP OK then quickly changes to error.
 
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It is another TB showing the same fault code?
 
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You are not supposed to do the ADP with the engine running!:banghead:

I liked your post because it's funny.......


i didnt.... sorry jack, it means the code only returns after the engine has been started
 
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it started off with

Code:
00516 closed throttle (idle) position switch f60 2700 implausible signal

00532 supply voltage b+ 07-10 signal to low intermittent

after the throttle body clean

Code:
00282 - Throttle Position Actuator (V60)
26-00 - Output Open
but it was reading as part throttle with the cable disconnected, and changed to idle once pins 3 and 7 were briged

throttle body from breakers was fitted, it now shows as idle in vcds but still shows error in adaptation idle/error field

and this code if the engine has been started, after codes have been cleared

Code:
00282 - Throttle Position Actuator(V60)
26-00 - Output Open
 
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had some help, looking for a second opinion. Would you guys agree that the following results from measuring blocks point towards a faulty replacement throttle body?

Code:
 005 zone 4 tv cal. xx000000 = 00000100
 
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got there in the end, turned out to be a fault with the wiring/plug at the throttle body
 
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