MkVII Golf - XDS Adaptation

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Check your PMs.

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Uwe,
Thanks muchly for the software. I've now had the opportunity to poll 03-ABS controller using ver 12.12.0, ver 12.2.2 and Beta ver 14.7.0. Alas, unlike Con's experience, the Adaptation maps for all three SW versions are exactly the same on my Golf. Don't know what this means (perhaps the mk7 is fundamentally different than Con's 2014 Seat Leon, not sure). Anyhow the output from my analysis can be found on the following link (sorry Con):

03-ABS comparison spreadsheet
 
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Seems like that your control module just doesn't have that setting available at all...

My friend's Leon has different ABS control module than your Golf. I don't have any Golfs to be able to get reference scans. D**n!

But I'd still like to know what's the difference between the 12.12.0, 12.12.2 and 14.7.2 Beta in my friend's car? Any ideas? Why the oldest one worked, but two newer didn't?
 
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If needed, I can provide a scan of Golf but it is MY2014. XDS is activated, since this is standard equipment in our country. Though sadly, I didn't check if I can change that setting.
 
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Don , your map is different from mine ( of which you have a copy). Yours does not have 'Expanded electronic differential lock' ,' Standard'.
My TDI , R-Line does


Code:
;SW:5Q0-907-379-AA   HW:5Q0-907-379-G ---  ABS Brakes				
;Component:ESC           H31 0457	 Coding:01FA8AA12420096E037F060641CC2980512490C0608294F300620038C202			
;EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB	33001	EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod		
;Wednesday	23	July	2014	08:52:59:32288
;VCDS Version: Beta 14.7.2 (x64)  Data version: 20140714				
;VCID: 7BDB1D8AF29B40E2D6-802E				
				
ABS in lower speed range	activated 			
Activating and deactivating all development messages	0			
AUTO HOLD functional status	Last setting 			
AUTO HOLD functionality	not activated 			
AUTO HOLD increase threshold; full tensioning force	10%			
AUTO HOLD increase threshold; reduced tensioning force	0%			
AUTO HOLD slippage recognition	activated 			
Automatic application during engine stalling	activated 			
Brake booster	4			
Brake disk drying	Weak 			
Brake pedal evaluation	activated 			
Brake prefill	activated 			
Brake system vacuum pump	5			
Braking torque boost for distance regulation	3			
Counter steer support	Strong 			
Driver door status	activated 			
Dynamic starting assist	normal 			
(1)-Electromechanical parking brake-Automatic application	activated 			
(2)-Electromechanical parking brake-Driver presence recognition via brake pedal	not activated 			
Electromechanical parking brake; delay level	6			
Electronic Stability Program	not activated 			
Engine drag torque control	activated 			
Expanded electronic differential lock	Standard 			
Hill-start assistant	normal 			
Hill-start assistant; increase threshold	3%			
Hydraulic brake assistant	normal 			
Hydraulic brake booster	8			
(1)-Monitoring of functional lights-Indicator light in the button for electromech. parking brake	7			
(2)-Monitoring of functional lights-Indicator light in AUTO HOLD button	7			
Offroad	0			
Overboost in brake system	activated 			
(1)-Plausibility check-Reverse gear	activated 			
(2)-Plausibility check-Neutral gear sensor	activated 			
Roller test bench mode	Manual activation; possible 			
Roller test bench mode; functional	not activated 			
Running manufacturer number	activated 			
Seat belt buckle scan	activated 			
Starting vibration reduction	Strong 			
Straight ahead brake stabilization	activated 			
Thresholds for brake performance	activated 			
Tire pressure monitoring display	2			
Tire pressure monitoring display; tire selection	2			
Vehicle and trailer stabilization	not activated 			
XCP calibration protocol	not activated 			
Developer_Function_1	0
 
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Don , your map is different from mine ( of which you have a copy). Yours does not have 'Expanded electronic differential lock' ,' Standard'.
My TDI , R-Line does
Jeff: Yes I had noticed that the adaptation channels in your Golf had allowed XDS Adjustment. I'm still mystified as to why my my13 model won't allow access to this facility. I'm waiting to see if someone can reply to ConD's request because I suspect (perhaps "hope" is the better word) that my situation can be help by an answer to his problem.

Meanwhile, I have been giving my dilemma some thought and this is my current hypothesis (for what it's worth). I'm hoping that the answer lies in the coding value because I have been able to open-up different adaptation channels (some have called these "hidden menus") when I change bytes in the coding string - see my TMC tweak instructions on VWW. I now have three coding strings for the 03-ABS controller on an MQB platform; Your TDI, My TSI and ConD's Seat 5F. I know that both your TDI and ConD's seat 5F allows access to XDS adjustment, and I know that my TSI will not. So, if I compare the Coding sequences for all three vehicles and I look for byte values that are the same on your TDI and ConD's Seat 5F but are different to the hex value on my TSI, I surmise that these are potential "hidden menu" bytes. I've done this in the chart below and the two interesting bytes are Byte12 (high nibble) & byte 21(low nibble). But I need more sample coding values with known access to the XDS adjustment to confirm my hypothesis. Hopefully if I wait, someone else will post-up their codes thus providing either confirmation of the correct byte, or proof that my approach is wrong! But, I admit that I'm a rank amateur at this stuff, so I proceed with utmost caution - my progress thus far is simply based on logic rather than facts!

I'm happy to hear from more experienced VCDS users if you believe that my hypothesis is flawed


 
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Can you limit to a byte or should you include 'same,same vs different' bits.
Yes there are a LOT more of them.
Is progressive stearing also indicated in the ABS (03) module ?. R-Line has it , does the Seat ?
 
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Is progressive stearing also indicated in the ABS (03) module ?. R-Line has it , does the Seat ?
Jeff: I've checked the Adaptation maps for both the TDI and TSI (for all module addresses) wherever the word "steering" appears and the incidences are the same for both vehicles. I posted-up my Adaptation channels on a previous post. It's here. All instances of the word "steering" in this workbook are shown below. Can you identify which one relates to "progressive steering"?

 
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If needed, I can provide a scan of Golf but it is MY2014. XDS is activated, since this is standard equipment in our country. Though sadly, I didn't check if I can change that setting.
mtl:I'd like to take you up on your kind offer - please. I'd like to get more info to substantiate (or, not) my hypothesis

Two things that I request:
(1) please provide a copy of the complete coding string for 03- ABS module control on your car (which I hope is MQB platform)
(2) please check the adaptation channels and confirm (or, not) if you have an entry that says something like "Expanded electronic differential lock"

Thanks in advance
 
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Hi, sadly I currently do not have access to the cars, so I will not be able to check adaptation channels. But below are two coding strings for VW Golf 7, both MY2014 and of course MQB platform.
Code:
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 L    HW: 5Q0 907 379 G
   Component: ESC           H31 0471  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 61344000000152
   Coding: 04FA62A12420096E037B070641C52920462490C0E08294F300400078C009
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00066
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 458B6531C4BA4012F0-8010
Code:
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 379 H
   Component: ESC           H31 0557  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 60444000000296
   Coding: 01FA62A12427096E0377060741C52980462490C0608294F3F8625078C202
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00241
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7CFDC0D5F7F0C1DBFB-8029
 
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Hi, sadly I currently do not have access to the cars, so I will not be able to check adaptation channels. But below are two coding strings for VW Golf 7, both MY2014 and of course MQB platform.
mtl: Alas, without confirmation about the adaptation channels, I don't think that the info adds anything to my data set. But thanks for responding and for providing the two coding strings.
 
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Sadly, I still didn't get hold of Golf, but here is a scan of Leon 1.6TDI. No XDS adaptation.

Code:
SW:5Q0-907-379-A   HW:5Q0-907-379-A ---  ABS Brakes
Component:ESC           H75 0333, Coding:20EE629220220A6D0079060701C4240446045000608024F200490020C0
EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP,008020,EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_SE37.rod
VCDS Version: Beta 14.7.2  Data version: 20140714

ABS in lower speed range,activated 
Activating and deactivating all development messages,0 
Brake booster,4 
Brake disk drying,Weak 
Brake prefill,activated 
Brake system vacuum pump,5 
Braking torque boost for distance regulation,3 
Counter steer support,Strong 
Electronic Stability Program,not activated 
Engine drag torque control,activated 
Hill-start assistant,normal 
Hydraulic brake assistant,normal 
Hydraulic brake booster,8 
Offroad,0 
Overboost in brake system,activated 
Roller test bench mode,Manual activation
Roller test bench mode
Running manufacturer number,activated 
Starting vibration reduction,Strong 
Straight ahead brake stabilization,activated 
Thresholds for brake performance,activated 
Tire pressure monitoring display,2 
Tire pressure monitoring display
Vehicle and trailer stabilization,not activated 
XCP calibration protocol,not activated 
Developer_Function_1,0
 
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Sadly, I still didn't get hold of Golf, but here is a scan of Leon 1.6TDI. No XDS adaptation.
mti: many thanks for your efforts - much appreciated!
 
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Hi,
Here is also a scan of Octavia 3 1.6 TDI
Code:
	SW:5Q0-907-379-R   HW:5Q0-907-379-F ---  ABS Brakes
	Component:EMB8 EHCB     H31 0356, Coding:1A07629124280972007D060241C6245846249000608224F0004000004002
	EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP,033001,EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP.rod
	VCDS Version: Beta 14.8.0  Data version: 20140822
	
ABS in lower speed range,activated 	
Activating and deactivating all development messages,0 	
Brake booster,4 	
Brake disk drying,Weak 	
Brake prefill,activated 	
Brake system vacuum pump,5 	
Braking torque boost for distance regulation,3 	
Counter steer support,Strong 	
Electronic Stability Program,not activated 	
Engine drag torque control,activated 	
Hill-start assistant,normal 	
Hill-start assistant	 increase threshold,3 %
Hydraulic brake assistant,normal 	
Hydraulic brake booster,8 	
No display,Standard 	
Offroad,0 	
Overboost in brake system,activated 	
Roller test bench mode,Manual activation	 possible 
Roller test bench mode	 functional,not activated 
Running manufacturer number,activated 	
(1)-Starting vibration reduction-,Strong 	
(2)-Starting vibration reduction-Torque limitation,Deactivated 	
Straight ahead brake stabilization,activated 	
Thresholds for brake performance,activated 	
Tire pressure monitoring display,2 	
Tire pressure monitoring display	 tire selection,2 
Vehicle and trailer stabilization,not activated 	
XCP calibration protocol,not activated 	
Developer_Function_1,0
 
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Hi,
Here is also a scan of Octavia 3 1.6 TDI
mtl: I'll have to stop thanking you- I'm starting to sound disingenuous! But I do appreciate the information.
 
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Hi, I have the same issue: VCDS 12.12.3 on a 2015 Mk7 GTI VIN 3VW4T7AU0FM002448 will not show XDS options under 03-ABS. Controller channel map:

Code:
;SW:5Q0-907-379-K   HW:5Q0-907-379-F ---  ABS Brakes,,,,
;Component:ESC           H31 0371, Coding:01FA6BA13420096E007B020481CB2980D62C9000408194B400430050C009,,,
;EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP,33001,EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_VW37.rod,,
;Wednesday,15,October,2014,12:15:43:38718
;VCDS Version: Release 12.12.3 (x64)  Data version: 20140822,,,,
;VCID: 44A9A242CF0CE13EFF5-8011,,,,
,,,,
ABS in lower speed range,activated ,,,
Activating and deactivating all development messages,0,,,
Brake booster,4,,,
Brake disk drying,Weak ,,,
Brake prefill,activated ,,,
Brake system vacuum pump,5,,,
Braking torque boost for distance regulation,3,,,
Counter steer support,Strong ,,,
Electronic Stability Program,not activated ,,,
Engine drag torque control,activated ,,,
Hill-start assistant,normal ,,,
Hill-start assistant; increase threshold,6%,,,
Hydraulic brake assistant,normal ,,,
Hydraulic brake booster,8,,,
No display,Standard ,,,
Offroad,0,,,
Overboost in brake system,activated ,,,
Roller test bench mode,Manual activation; possible ,,,
Roller test bench mode; functional,not activated ,,,
Running manufacturer number,activated ,,,
Starting vibration reduction,Strong ,,,
Straight ahead brake stabilization,activated ,,,
Thresholds for brake performance,activated ,,,
Tire pressure monitoring display,2,,,
Tire pressure monitoring display; tire selection,2,,,
Vehicle and trailer stabilization,not activated ,,,
XCP calibration protocol,not activated ,,,
Developer_Function_1,0,,,
 
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What happened to this? I did an auto-scan and also scanned the ABS module to create a channel map, would this be useful? My car is one of the early builds Golf MK7 GT and it came with XDS as standard but when I select the option extended electronic differential lock on the adaptation screen it says that the channel is not available or not authorised, something like that. I am driving a rental this week while my car is having its annual service and I did an adaptation and I could select that option on the rental, even though the rental is not a GT so isn't supposed to get the feature but it does. I noticed that lots of modules on the coding screens don't have any options, all the checkboxes have no text... Since this is a 2013 car I'm wondering if Ross Tech will ever manage to create labels for the coding and adaptations? I can submit logs if necessary, just send me a PM asking what specifically you need. Thanks.
 
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what is the best settings for xds?
 
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Bump! I can't remember what my stock setting was from the factory on my MY16 Golf 1.8t. Anyone care to chime in?
http://forums.ross-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?45-Reference-Scans-and-Maps-of-Non-Broken-Cars - Check here for your specific model. Lots of factory scans here.

On My 2017 Passat I had to turn on XDS in long code before the adaptation channel appeared without error message (shown by the OP) to set “Standard”, “Weak”, “Medium”, “Strong” - So at least for me it was a 2 step process. Take a look to see if that may be the same thing in the golf7
 
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