2010 Audi A3 ABS/ESP code 01130

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I was able to do the test drive the car for the lateral sensors and the ABS and the ABS flashing lights disappeared, that was 2 months ago,
now I am getting the following code and lights are on blinking, I am familiar with the Wiki in regards to code 01130 - ABS Operation.
checked fuses, connectors etc.
Sorry for not having the full scan, but there is no other code present,
Any help would be appreciated.


Chris

Code:
Tuesday,24,June,2014,15:18:31:59804
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0
Data version: 20140212


VIN: WAUZZZ8P3AA112111   License Plate: PGI 764
Mileage: 26k   Repair Order: 62414



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                Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
  Component and/or Version: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107
           Software Coding: 11424012092300FC880C02E5901A0041390800
            Work Shop Code: WSC 06314 123 12345
                      VCID: 7AFB13FCF536C5CED53-802F
1 Fault Found:

01130 - ABS Operation 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 25326 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.06.24
                    Time: 13:12:47

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 14
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 124
                    Count: 43520
                    Count: 1
                    Count: 766
                    Count: 0
 
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Sounds like a bad ground or ignition switch implausibility.....

What does the auto-scan say? Please post a current one........
 
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Sounds like a bad ground or ignition switch implausibility.....

What does the auto-scan say? Please post a current one........
Thank you Jack, here is the complete scan:

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Thursday,26,June,2014,12:19:08:59804
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VIN: WAUZZZ8P3AA112111   License Plate: PGI 764
Mileage: 25370km-15764mi   Repair Order: 6/26/14



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Chassis Type: 8P (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 47 52 55 56 61 62
          72

VIN: WAUZZZ8P3AA112111   Mileage: 25370km/15764miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (CDA)       Labels: 06J-907-115-CDA.clb
   Part No SW: 8P7 907 115 M    HW: 8P0 907 115 Q
   Component: 1.8l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: AAH11---    Serial number: AUX7Z0IDFNH02Q
   Coding: 0143001024070060
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 4385AE18027C4406C65-8016

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 0AM-300-04x.lbl
   Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 M    HW: 0AM 927 769 D
   Component: GSG DSG AG7     431 1813  
   Revision: 00043014    Serial number: 00001205125307
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 10001 832 82999
   VCID: 3A7BD3FC75B605CE953-806F

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 AJ
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107  
   Revision: 00H30001    
   Coding: 11424012092300FC880C02E5901A0041390800
   Shop #: WSC 06314 123 12345
   VCID: 7AFB13FCF536C5CED53-802F

1 Fault Found:
01130 - ABS Operation 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 228
                    Mileage: 25372 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.06.26
                    Time: 09:59:33

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 124
                    Count: 41984
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 510
                    Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 BK    HW: 8P0 820 043 BK
   Component: KlimavollautomatH09 0140  
   Revision: 000363      Serial number: 8P0820043BK   
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 76E307CC012EA1AEB1B-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8P0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 063 A    HW: 8P0 907 063 A
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   105 0575  
   Revision: 00105 AK    
   Coding: 06000A2FB005F2C0207041E02000095C431E2CAA314DD929E4000E840041
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 326BFBDC6DC6FD8E5D3-8067

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8P1 955 119 F    HW: 8P1 955 119 F  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU350  H10 0040 
   Coding: 00DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8P0 951 177 
   Component: Innenraumuebe  H04 0020 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
   Component: Neigungssenso  005 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 8P0-919-475-7X1.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 919 475 G    HW: 8P0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H06 0120  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 93630934908959
   Coding: 000103
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 428BAB1CDD664D0ECD3-8017

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8P0-959-655-10.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 P    HW: 8P0 959 655 P
   Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003FB004TY4E
   Coding: 30314238303830303131554A304C38503053
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
   ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
   VCID: 4FAD92281634B06652D-801A

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
3572DRB40000A4D8516X 

   Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582DRB40000A4D8C2F8

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear driver side: 
   Serial number: 35128RB40000536115D9

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear passenger side: 
   Serial number: 35228RB400005361E97L

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Serial number: 35547RB400005320F5EO

   Crash sensor for front airbag; passenger side: 
   Serial number: 35647RB400005320FE5P

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 K    HW: 8P0 953 549 K
   Component: J0527           H37 0070  
   Coding: 0011112
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 4683B70C314E712EE1B-8013

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           H02 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 932 D    HW: 8P0 920 932 D
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H03 0990  
   Revision: D0H03005    Serial number: 224DI005023677
   Coding: 0000128
   Shop #: WSC 10002 832 177768
   VCID: 3561C0C05CA8EAB6781-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AF    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H17 0233  
   Revision:   H17       Serial number: 1521J09C090631
   Coding: EDA17F06100202042102
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 6BD526B84A6C6C465E5-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 932 D    HW: 8P0 920 932 D
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H03 0990  
   Revision: D0H03005    Serial number: AUX7Z0IDFNH02Q
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3561C0C05CA8EAB6781-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 N    HW: 8P0 959 801 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0100  
   Coding: 0000220
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 4683B70C314E712EE1B-8013

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 232    3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 3169F4D0A8C0C696249-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8Px-035-382.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 035 382 E    HW: 8P4 035 382 E
   Component: AB2 SUBWOOFERBOXH07 0180  
   Revision: 00006       Serial number: 92158954898806
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3663C7CC41AEE1AE71B-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 N    HW: 8P0 959 802 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0100  
   Coding: 0000220
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 479DBA08364468261AD-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Xenon Range        Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 8P3 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000013
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: FAFB93FCB53645CE553-80AF

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 035 186 S    HW: 8P0 035 186 S
   Component: R Concert2+     H03 0280  
   Revision: 00H03000    Serial number: AUZ1Z3I5898963
   Coding: 0110111
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 428BAB1C1D664D0ECD3-8017

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Batt.regelung H17 0233  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 1521J09C090631
   Coding: 0302085A
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: E8DFD9B41B9AC75EB37-80BD

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 C    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 F    HW: 8P4 959 801 F
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0050  
   Coding: 0000216
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 428BAB1C1D664D0ECD3-8017

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 F    HW: 8P4 959 802 F
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0050  
   Coding: 0000216
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 4385AE18027C4406C65-8016

No fault code found.

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Thank you for posting the auto-scan.........don't forget to check all relays and consumers via wire diagrams.

Don't discount if possible bad module internally, for poor solder joint.......... causing sporadic condition.
 
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I agree, and that 01130 - ABS Operation - Implausible Signal fault can be a nasty one to diagnose if the problem is intermittent.

Is anything on this vehicle aftermarket, including any OE system retrofits? Do you have any repair history on this vehicle? Does that fault reoccur with any regularity or does it take 2 months to return?
 
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Dana,

that is the vehicle which I posted previously, with the transmission dual clutch error, remember I found out in Germany that
these transmissions had a recall (corrosive and wrong oil filled), so I advised my customer to return the car to Audi, and after trying to charge for certain things they finally did it under goodwill, so the transmission is now OK, nice shifting etc.
That was about 2 moths ago, when i was able to do the lateral test drive and the ABS /ESP warning disappeared.
The ABS ESP flashing has returned now.
This is a problem which is just like playing the lottery, I checked fuses, grounds, relay, everything looks fine.
That car had this problem only one time and that was 2 months ago and no after market accessories
etc can be found.
Of course Audi has no answer for that problem except saying you need to buy a new module.

This will be my last attempt, getting a new module, replace all 4 ABS sensors and try again, but what if it is the stop light switch, the lateral sensor or the ABS pump itself????
I need as much help i can get.
Thank you all for your kind assistance,
Chris
 
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I like where Jack is going with that. Even though WSS issues should set fault codes .. something could be going on in that area so I wouldn't deter you from replacing them before that ABS module itself.

I would also ask where this customer was driving or where they work/vacation when the light came on. Static electricity, Electric railways .. something like that you can't duplicate where you are test driving it.

Edit. One more comment.. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in the Electromagnetic interference department ('cus I'm not) but what about the Alternator?
 
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If you where concerned for a field from the alternator, or even any pulley/object which could be in rotation causing a field disruption/created.

Build a farad cage out of tin foil around the control unit....... easy enough right?

Anyone who thinks I am crazy...........take your cell phone and wrap it in tin foil.......... then see if it rings........it shouldn't.

A beautiful vehicle which would create a secondary high tension ignition ARC........... was the belt cover over a cam gear and T-Belt on the 92-95 five zyl. GAS Eurovan.

One day I was like hmmmm........... I hear a spark plug wire leaking............ we better get a set of plugs/wires cap and rotor.
When I was done.......the spark noise was still there. After further review.......... it was the above.

Magnetic coils and forces are my favorite for experiments.
 
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Chris.......
Another check.
Please raise the car in air and inspect all the tires for cupping or being out of round causing a vibration disruption.
Seconded, and look for any reason why all four wheels might not spin at the same speed. Check to make sure all four wheels and tires are the same make and model, have the same amount of wear and are inflated properly.

Do you have any false ABS/ESP engagements in addition to this code? Under what driving conditions did this DTC/alarm go off? Were you braking at the time?

As a reference, I tripped this same code while diagnosing an unrelated speed-related NVH problem. I had the car raised up with all four wheels off the ground and running in-gear to experiment and try to isolate the noise. So, I can tell you potential causes are "insane" feedback from wheel speed sensors that are moving at all different speeds, or possibly failure to correlate its idea of vehicle acceleration, braking and turning with the ESP accelerometers.

You mentioned work on a lateral sensor. If I recall correctly, the repair guide instructions contain dire warnings about sensor handling, installation position and fastener torque. Are you 110% confident your ESP accelerometers are intact, placed correctly and torqued correctly?

Jason
 
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Jack, Dana, Jason

there is no ABS engagement at all, the lights came on as soon as the car starts rolling, that's how it started.
( I had at the same time an ignition coil badly misfiring and changed the coil, after coil change, I did the driving test and was able to get rid of the ABS/Esp flashing lights-2 months ago.)

I didn't do work on the lateral sensors, I only did the driving test which supposed to test these lateral sensors, I activated the test with VCDS and completed the test, but this time
the lights came right back on.

NOW the latest news:
When I switch the ignition on and start the engine, after 2-3 seconds the ABC/ESP flashing starts.
Same happens when I reset the codes with VCDS, after rolling 1 yard it comes back on.
Yesterday I played and pumped the brake pedal and kept the pressure on, and switched on ignition, started the engine and the lights do not come on flashing as long as i like, but when I release the brake pedal, its all back flashing???

Today I will check the switch, which is located in the engine room parallel to the brake cylinder.
 
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I like where Jack is going with that. Even though WSS issues should set fault codes .. something could be going on in that area so I wouldn't deter you from replacing them before that ABS module itself.

I would also ask where this customer was driving or where they work/vacation when the light came on. Static electricity, Electric railways .. something like that you can't duplicate where you are test driving it.

Edit. One more comment.. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in the Electromagnetic interference department ('cus I'm not) but what about the Alternator?
I agree these interferences may be able to trigger the lights, but shouldnt we be able to reset
when they are not present anymore? There are no after market gadgets in that car.
 
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NOW the latest news:
When I switch the ignition on and start the engine, after 2-3 seconds the ABC/ESP flashing starts.
Same happens when I reset the codes with VCDS, after rolling 1 yard it comes back on.
Yesterday I played and pumped the brake pedal and kept the pressure on, and switched on ignition, started the engine and the lights do not come on flashing as long as i like, but when I release the brake pedal, its all back flashing???

Today I will check the switch, which is located in the engine room parallel to the brake cylinder.
Hrm... if your internally-redundant brake pedal switch had partly failed, you should have a very specific DTC for that. And if it completely mechanically came apart and it's stuck open/closed, your brake lights would be stuck or inoperative, and your brake-shift interlock would be stuck or inoperative.

I wonder if it's reconciliation problem between the brake pedal switch and the brake pressure sensor G201? You might verify its pressure readings in MVB 005 for sanity, and perhaps run the calibration procedure in Ross-Tech's wiki.

Jason
 
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Sure each time the key is cycled........... the brake light and even clutch switches are checked in a diagnostic routine.
On early cars you would get a DTC in the 0x02 until you stepped on it to check it...........than performing a self clear

Do we have any codes when accessing the module's directly......... during or before light is flashing?
What is the log for wheel speeds in 0x03-08-001 during this condition?
 
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Sure each time the key is cycled........... the brake light and even clutch switches are checked in a diagnostic routine.
On early cars you would get a DTC in the 0x02 until you stepped on it to check it...........than performing a self clear

Do we have any codes when accessing the module's directly......... during or before light is flashing?
What is the log for wheel speeds in 0x03-08-001 during this condition?
I toke the module out yesterday to get the parts number, now after reading Your and Jason's post, I will put it back in, bleed the system and do the whole calibration procedure. Unfortunately there are no other codes, except the one above in my initial scan. The brake switch looks like an electronic switch, there are no mechanical parts on that switch.
 
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You should also look for contaminated or damaged reluctors on each wheel for the sensor and air gap............
 
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I realize this thread is pretty old ... but I was about to link it to another customer with the dreaded 01130 - ABS Operation - Implausible Signal - Intermittent DTC when I realized this one didn't include updated information.

Chris worked with us directly for assistance coding the new ABS module but the master cylinder blew brake fluid into the brake booster along the way. In the end, the components tested and/or replaced in this thread in addition to a brand new ABS controller and a master cylinder corrected the vehicle. I'm pretty sure the brake booster was cleaned and reused but it is entirely possible that they may have replaced it as well.
 
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It seems to be a more common policy from 2000> cars........ that VW-AUDI is moving to require replacement of booster and master as a complete set do to mismatched vendors on the two parts they ran into a while back.

At least that was what was stated to me through depot.

Regardless of TDI or GAS:

Vehicles which use a mechanical vacuum pump......... I am finding that cars are self applying the brakes again.
This causes warped rotor issues, premature worn brake pads and poor fuel MPG.

It happens as the spring weakens in the booster or if the ball wasn't installed on center of the brake pedal.
In some cases due to mismatched master to booster offset for piston. ( from buying a wrong used part )
 
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